Richmond Park road rage nutjob..

Let’s not leave it there.

LHS – Member
… the cyclist was being as much of a dick as the driver. If you have ever ridden along that stretch of road and seen some of the behaviours you may be willing to entertain the fact that not all cyclists are angels

Does being a dick include pshyically and verbally threatening? I didn’t see the cyclist do that.

I’ll be the first to blame a cyclist where it is merited. There is nothing to merit it here.

Is your view based on the cyclist trying to make his point, and shouting to be heard?

Attack and personal insults are the lowest forms of intelligence, you do know that right?

You must be embarrassed about doing one with intelligible then and getting the word wrong
Not to mention that bit where you entered the debate by calling the cyclist a dick
Adds hypocrisy to the list of your charms.
FFS you are not even very good at this….i will let others feed you

Hoardes of people saying they’re going to boycott the business when they never have, or never will, been anywhere near any of them anyway. Then, irony of ironies, people firing up their social media accounts to say he should be killed/punched/etc. The mob becomes as bad as the asshat.

Well the cycling club I’m a member of used to have their club meals/drinks/meetings there.
Other alternatives have been found.

Obvious troll is obvious

See previous comments, that’s right up there with the “he must be a daily mail reader!” 🙄

All in all shows a lack of integrity and weakness of character.

LHS you eat where you want old chap, just stop trying to justify it. You don’t need to. There may be all sorts of reasons why these two went at it (beyond what has been shown) but that is speculation.

Personally, cyclist hater or not, I wouldn’t want to associate myself with someone like that as a friend, customer whatever. I spend time and money with people I like.

You do what you want. It’s your time and money. Let’s just hope you don’t have reason to come back at some point in the future with a motorist/cyclist tale of woe as you’ll probably get very short shrift.

I cycle along that road several times a week

not the cycle path then ?

Does being a dick include pshyically and verbally threatening? I didn’t see the cyclist do that.

The cyclist was pretty verbally abusive. You could argue that it was perhaps justifiable, but to say it wasn’t abusive; is revisionism. In any circumstance calling some-one a “see you next tuesday” is abuse.

See you next Tuesday is a great word and the use against the gimp was fully justified

> “See you next Tuesday”

That took a moment for me to figure out. I must live a sheltered life.

I’ve had the misfortune to be in a situation where I was unexpectedly cornered, threatened and assaulted by a random unhinged bloke in a not dissimilar incident, and I can tell you, whilst you may think that you could remain calm and unsweary I promise you it’s not that easy. The shock of it coming out of the blue, the adrenaline, the fear of getting seriously hurt, all kick in to make you react in ways that would shock the rational you. I’m sure blokes who are handy with their fists may be able to physically defuse the situation, but I for one was a shouty, sweaty mess that couldn’t have punched an elephant accurately I was so cross/shocked/wound up/stressed just trying to stick up for myself. People who are knocking the cyclist are either ice cold cool dudes or have obviously never been put in a comparable situation. I suspect most are in the latter category.

Although I haven’t read all of the thread, I have to say that I agree with V8ninety – shock and adrenaline does strange things to you..

People who are knocking the cyclist are either ice cold cool dudes or have obviously never been put in a comparable situation. I suspect most are in the latter category.

This. You’d need the patience of Job to remain calm when you’ve just had two tonnes of metal aimed at you. I know I can’t.

I had someone open my van door and wanted a fight. I had misunderstood his rather strange parking manoeuvre, he had got a bit sweary so I had made the universal sign of a handbag and blew him a kiss.

This did not go down well.

Next time i’ll be faster to the kiddie locks and just lean to the horn so everyone watches.

As for on a bike – that’s harder. You don’t have a metal box to retreat to. Cycling away muttering is my preferred option. Oh I wouldn’t use that cycle path either.

Be interesting to see the size of the cyclist..
Suspect he was not of an Arne type build.
Cyclist language / response seems OTT but as already mentioned, how does one respond when threatened with violence.
On balance not a good outcome for either side..

worth noting, re the cyclist’s behaviour:
* the driver swore & shouted first (cyclist says ‘oh come on’, driver responds with a bunch of “f——- something”, shouted around the 25 second mark)
* at around 30 seconds the car’s wing mirror I think strikes the cyclist. Perhaps that was a consequence of the driver’s fury and loss of control than a deliberate act of itself, but the cyclist doesn’t know either way. Further evidence is that later in the vid the driver walks to the mirror and straightens it.

Put oneself in the cyclist’s situation – he’s cornered, he’s been struck by the vehicle, his monkey brain has kicked in, and he’s in fight or flight survival mode.

I don’t think he has any case to answer re his behaviour. He did well.

He has no case which is why the driver was convicted of an offence and the cyclist was not.

If we have to explain this/debate this with cyclists then its no wonder we cannot make drivers understand and we get abuse for just being there

v8ninety – Member

I’ve had the misfortune to be in a situation where I was unexpectedly cornered, threatened and assaulted by a random unhinged bloke in a not dissimilar incident, and I can tell you, whilst you may think that you could remain calm and unsweary I promise you it’s not that easy

This – x 10 if you’ve just had a 4×4 driver try to make contact with you.

I am sure the cyclist has played back in his head a more witty verbal interchange with the driver than simply swearing at him.

P.s. I am not debating anything, just expressing my opinion having watched the video..

As c-a said, it applies if you’re walking along the pavement and get hit by a car’s door mirror. The response is instinctive and immediate, and quite unexpected.

You’re probably going to flame me here but i think they were both in the wrong. The driver should have picked a better place to overtake but he had to move in afterwards to avoid the oncoming traffic and I don’t think the driver was close enough to the cyclist to warrant his shouting. The car was in front of him so why not just use the brakes? He took it far too personally if you ask me. The contact only came AFTER the slanging match had started and it looks to me like both the cyclist and the driver wanted that to happen. I mean why, if you’re the cyclist, pick a fight with a tonne of metal and glass?

I’ve been driving in London and i’m also a cyclist so i try and show respect but there are some flipping chancers there who try and squeeze through tiny gaps and run red lights etc, they don’t do the cycling community any favours at all.

Every section of the community has it’s idiots and these two clearly deserve eachother.

I’ve been driving in London and i’m also a cyclist so i try and show respect but there are some flipping chancers there who try and squeeze through tiny gaps and run red lights etc, they don’t do the cycling community any favours at all.

I’m not a community, I’m an individual.

The contact only came AFTER the slanging match had started and it looks to me like both the cyclist and the driver wanted that to happen. I mean why, if you’re the cyclist, pick a fight with a tonne of metal and glass?

When you say “the contact” you’re referring to two tonnes of metal being aimed at the cyclist? You seriously think he wanted that to happen?

What relevance does the actions of completely unrelated people have to do with it.

If a driver got dragged out of his car and threatened for just being there, absolutely no one would say “ah well look at all those drivers who break the speed limits, they just create resentment”.

Allowing the danger of motor vehicles has just become so normalised that even cyclists try to rationalise it by blaming the victims.

If we have to explain this/debate this with cyclists then its no wonder we cannot make drivers understand and we get abuse for just being there

This, very sadly.

I will leave it there

He didn’t though did he? And the rest of you apologists.

Here’s a suggestion: All those who think the victim brought the tirade upon himself and that Brew Café branches are a cool place to eat should go there and eat, drink, listen to INXS guitar riffs on an endless loop while having your handlebar controls moved for a tenner etc, etc. You deserve it.

I would feel uneasy giving any custom to the places.

I’m going to treat Bomberman’s post with the respect it deserves.

bomberman – Member

did you watch the same video as me?

I’m not a community, I’m an individual.

To some people you’re a “them” and they’re an “us”. Don’t be so naive as to think it’s a good idea to pick a fight with a lunatic driving two tonnes of steel. You won’t win.

It’s the same with any fight isn’t it? either you get involved or you let it slide.

I’m glad the guy in the range rover is being named and shamed but i still think it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other.

it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other.

the argument probably was, the using the ‘two tonnes of steel’ to stop the cyclist in the first place wasn’t.

did you watch the same video as me?

I watched a video where a guy in a range rover drove a bit too close to a cyclist. What happened after was much messier.

Like someone said earlier, they are both a couple of pansies.

The 4×4 attempted to overtake.
The 4×4 failed to overtake cleanly and moved towards the cyclist.
The cyclist shouted a warning.
The 4×4 driver went apesh1t!
The 4×4 driver deliberately steered his vehicle towards the cyclist in a threatening manner.
The cyclist’s adrenalin surged, causing him to shout and scream, hopefully scaring away the danger (natural response by normal people not equipped with the means to physically defend themselves – big muscles, weapons etc etc).
The 4×4 driver performed a very rubbish Hakka.

The video was handed to the Police.
The 4×4 driver was prosecuted.
The cyclist was not.

The 4×4 driver may have other issues (allegedly).

I rest my case M’lud…

I’m glad the guy in the range rover is being named and shamed but i still think it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other.

No it isn’t

There is a massive asymmetry in the relationship between a cyclist and a driver.

If you are in your car and I’m riding my bike and I want to harm you, first I’d have to persuade you to get out the car then I’d have to bludgeon you slowly to death with my bike.

If you are in your car and you want to harm me, you just need to turn your steering wheel a little bit to the left as you go past.

Unless a cyclist does something really stupid it almost never “six of one half a dozen of the other” And cycling a long a road minding you own business certainly doesn’t qualify.

Sorry Deveron53, you missed the bit about his little willy 😆

Right – this two tonnes of steel thing is annoying me now. A landrover is ~2.8 tonnes, so surely if we’re just using one decimal place then it should be a 3 tonne vehicle. That’s sounds like more of a threat than a 2 tonne one.

Dev/Rich I think you’re probably wasting your time.

The facts seem to me to be that the cyclist is, as he says, legally allowed to cycle where he was. The driver of the land rover executed a manoeuvre that looks at least ‘careless’ (driving without due care and attention if you must get technical) if not – by the time he swerves to menace the cyclist – ‘dangerous driving’. I assume he was convicted of one of these but I could be wrong. The driver then threatens to kill the cyclist, while the cyclist taunts the driver.

I therefore believe it’s pretty one sided and tend to disagree with Bomberman (sorry, not flaming, just my pov!).

To me, the potentially more important (longer-term) point is that the driver has the attitude of ‘cyclists get out of my way’ and this has no place in 2015. The evidence to support this view is the driver telling the cycling he should be in the cycle lane. The fact that there’s a cycle lane near-by, to my mind, is irrelevant and misses the point (and in some ways IS the point) – there could be the world’s slickest cycling lane nearby – but the cyclist is still allowed to use the road.

I may end up feeling sorry for the driver and his business but if this example does anything to alter the tolerance of bike riding in the UK then I will be happy (although for taking the shot of himself on the scales he deserves the public vilification). My fear is that, by ‘picking’ on the driver, we miss the opportunity to make the wider point and do some good for cyclists as a whole.

There is a massive asymmetry in the relationship between a cyclist and a driver.

So obviously this is why it’s OK for cyclists to run red lights and pull out suddenly in front of people, because they are so small and vulnerable that they couldn’t possibly do any damage.

Well done for beating that straw man to death and ignoring the point made 🙄

Dev/Rich I think you’re probably wasting your time.

Indeed its hard to know whether these folk are being serious or not* but clearly a rational debate is out of the question given that as a response.

* dont mistake that for a question as i know the standard response is to insist you mean it and different opinion etc I just struggle to believe someone has this level of difficulty comprehending the law and reality.

So obviously this is why it’s OK for cyclists to run red lights and pull out suddenly in front of people, because they are so small and vulnerable that they couldn’t possibly do any damage.

Where in the video does he do that?