Osbourne says no to currency union.

The No campaign are perfectly free to come along to these meetings and have a debate. They don’t. The No campaign are asked to participate in debates involving both sides. They don’t.

What are they afraid of? If the No case is so strong, why not share it with people?

Perhaps you and THM could do a tour together?

Only if I can be the non-talking keyboard player.

Only if I can be the non-talking keyboard player.

You could be called Are ye sure

Or Scot Sell.

The latest ComRes poll puts UKIP in first place in England on 33% – and last place in Scotland on 6%.

That’s why we need independence.

What % does the SNP get in England?

Dunno, but http://ukpollingreport.co.uk

Has UKIP at 16% from today’s comres poll, 30% for Europe only. I take it they gain an extra 3% for discounting Scotland.

Oh please can the snp get over 50% in the polls and then the nats wouldn’t be p!ssing in the wind. Our time is wasted arguing with the English who are stealing our(your) oil, why can’t we convince enough of our fellow jocks to vote for the braveheart cause? Is it because we were born to subservience? The answer is yes, Scotland was not a going cause prior to 1707 and nothing has changed since.

Trolltastic

The “jocks” is what turns it into art.

What % does the SNP get in England?

They have the same number of MP’s so they are even 😉

Thanks piemonster. I try.

I hope the scots get independence purely as that will hopefully be the end if it. Im sick of hearing about it. If a no vote comes it will never end. I dont mind if Scotland fails ir flourishes on its own as long as they give it a rest 🙂

I’d have a lot more respect for the Yes campaign if they came out and admitted that trying to share the Pound would be a stupid idea, rather than endlessly repeating discredited bluff and bluster.

AS had to keep lying (notice his continued reference to currency as an asset this morning) and deceit until his advisors have come up with plan C. It must be very embarassing for him, poor guy. Still people still swallow this guff so he knows his audience…..

Can we try why the currency is not an asset

A link will do Google provides info on asset class and Bitcoins in the main

Indeed he does know his audience [they dont get it , most of us dont hence why I have asked] in much the same way Cameron gave an incredibly vague comment about more devolution for the floating voters which i doubt he will even try to deliver never mind whether he could.

As will blame bully rUK afterwards so she cannot really lose.
IS it great politics or woeful ….its the former if not laudable.

I can see only one way to sort this, ala russia and ukraine method, bring all those who want to stay in UK into the southern part of Scotland and send all the seperatists further north to play braveheart

Can we try why the currency is not an asset

Imagine the oil price suddenly spikes upwards. Scotland becomes awash with oil money, and the economy starts overheating. House prices start rising, people start borrowing more money, and the government starts wondering how they can keep this from getting out of control.

Meanwhile in the rUK, a net oil importer, things are not so pretty. Companies are going under as fuel prices drive up costs. People are losing their houses, and the government starts worrying about what they can do.

Should the Bank of England:

(a) raise interest rates to prevent an asset bubble followed by a crash in Scotland
(b) reduce interest rates to ease the pressure on home owners and businesses in rUK
(c) dither?

Junky – the ‘pound’ is not an asset, because it can’t be traded onward – its value is intangible

You could sell me your name, but you couldn’t sell me ‘being you’ – because that lies inherent in the respect that other people give you through knowledge of you and your history and background

So, your name would be a tradable asset – like ‘gordon ramsey’ would be – but if I bought the name ‘gordon ramsey’ it wouldn’t make me into him.

I could use the name with his permission for trading purposes, and I could devalue it in the process by selling cheap crap under his name, but I still couldn’t ‘be’ him, I could even run up loads of debt by signing cheques left right and centre that I couldn’t pay for, and that would also devalue his reputation – so there is a significant risk to him if he let me use his name, and he might well end up having to settle those debts to recover his own reputation – it could go the other way, there could be a big scandal where it turns out he never did any cooking himself, and his reputation would be damaged, which would effect the value to me of his name.

but all the time the ‘inherent value’ in gordon ramsey (or the pound) remains an abstract that relies on him being him, and not something that could be traded.

In general it is neither – hence my missing $ analogy. It sounds close enough to be plausible but it is simple a distortion and a deceit.

In theory, however, it can be a liability (wonder why notes used to say, “I promise to pay the bearer” – bit of a giveaway when “this is a liability” is written on the actual note!!!! Doh, Alex, did you forget all you were taught? I doubt it as we had the same prof and he was very good.)

But it is useful as a red light warning – alert, alert, here comes Alex with yet more BS…….he really doesn’t need to flag it any more, that should be obvious to all by now.

the hustler – Member
I can see only one way to sort this, ala russia and ukraine method, bring all those who want to stay in UK into the southern part of Scotland and send all the seperatists further north to play braveheart

Och, we’ll still let you call England “England”. No need to rename it Southern Scotland although we’d understand the desire to do some social climbing… 🙂

Ninfan your definition of the pound seems pretty close to the accounting cleartion of goodwill . From wiki
[quoteWhile a business can invest to increase its reputation, by advertising or assuring that its products are of high quality, such expenses cannot be capitalized and added to goodwill, which is technically an intangible asset. Goodwill and intangible assets are usually listed as separate items on a company’s balance sheet

[/quote]

Ps I still prefer to do without currency union, but am not convinced that the pound us not an asset.

Whether it is an asset is not the point. Salmond is trying to force the UK into a currency union with an independent Scotland and we don’t want one. It doesn’t matter whether the pound is an asset or not the UK is not going to be forced to be a lender of last resort.

Billboard adverts starting to appear, by the way – this was brilliant:

It’s brilliant is it? Saying ‘vote yes so we get more money’. Which is a pretty tenuous claim.

What a wonderful positive message.

Because every time people hear the facts (or opinions or balancing arguments or whatever) they move towards Yes.

Difficult to even know where to start with this… 😕

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10701331/Andrew-Marr-accused-of-bias-over-Scottish-independence.html

I wonder what “consequences ” the nationalists are referring to?

The SNP “bullying” Marr now!

Oh the sgeigeach 😉

To be fair to Marr, Salmond makes me want to spout pro-union remarks. And I’m voting Yes.

I doubt very much the problem is that he’s forgotten it…

Stewart Maxwell MSP, convener of the Scottish Parliament’s culture committee, said the Scottish Parliament had heard a number of “incredibly eminent witnesses” explain how and why Scotland would continue as a member of the EU on independence.

Can anybody provide me a linky to anybody (who actually knows what they’re talking about, rather than SNP bluster) saying that Scotland would remain part of the EU, rather than having to rejoin?

Can anybody provide me a linky to anybody (who actually knows what they’re talking about, rather than SNP bluster) saying that Scotland would remain part of the EU, rather than having to rejoin?

No, because it isn’t going to happen, Scotland will be a successor state so will have to re-negotiate membership of EU, Nato etc. One of the things that keeps being brought up is that why doesn’t the whole of the UK get a vote, and that is exactly why, if only a small part gets a vote to leave (rather than a UK wide vote to dissolve the union) then the remainder is the continuing state and keeps the current treaties (EU, Nato memberships) and the successor starts from scratch. There is no precedent for Scotland to be anything other than a successor state.

That’s what I thought, irelanst, but I reckoned I should check before accusing Stewart Maxwell MSP of lying (let’s call a spade a spade).

bbcnews graham avery
Telegraph Sir David Edward
Former EC director general
Some people do think independent Scotland could join the EU pretty quickly. Some think Mr Barosso is wrong.
Did I mention that the UK govt could clear up the issue of independent Scotland joining the EU by formally asking the EU commission what the position would be? The UK govt has refused to do so. Why?

That wasn’t the question being asked, and only one of your links suggests somebody providing the opinion I was asking for – in an article where that opinion was counterbalanced by somebody equally (if not more) eminent who disagreed. Both providing evidence to the Scottish parliament. So I’m still standing by my assertion that Stewart Maxwell MSP is lying.

Why won’t the UK government ask the question? ask Nicola Sturgeon, who believes the right time to negotiate is following a Yes vote?

The Scottish government asked Westminster to approach the EU commission last year.

The Scottish government asked Westminster to approach the EU commission last year.

And the answer was, computer says no

The UK keep telling us that all the experts say Scotland wont get into the EU without renegotiating membership completely so why not go to the actual body that makes the decision then the No campaign would have a stronger case. Or are they worried that the EU commission might say yes.

If it’s so easy why don’t the Yes campaign come up with a compelling argument that they will remain in the EU?