Osbourne says no to currency union.

Hang on, how did that guy on the left sneak in ?? Call the UKIP hotline immediately !!!

I don’t think the EU would care two hoots about 160,000 EU citizens living in Scotland, the number is just too small to be relevant to them. In practical terms most would stay anyway, I can’t see Scotland kicking them out.

The EU will care about more budget contributions, the UK possibly won’t be able to get a reduction as it already has a clawback and an iS can pay in more as a new rich member state.

You can’t find the quote I mentioned in the BBC article because it was on the BBC Scotland news this morning Ben, keep up yourself.

The quote from AS was a direct response to Danny Alexander’s claims of there being a space port in Scotland and came out at the time.

All space chat is a distraction, though the SNP response was a bit silly tbh

And NEITHER side even bothered paying lip-service to an inclusion agenda, which is just plain laziness. Every single person in both commercials was white and under 30.

I agree – though Humza Yousaf (Yes) and Anas Sarwar (No) have been pretty prominent. Doing better on gender equality.

All space chat is a distraction

Aye, the list of sites is really just a list of little-used long runways – because of the closure of bases, it’s not surprising that Scotland has a few.

Scotland isn’t the best site for a spaceport anyway, we’re too far north.

But at least in space, no one can hear you argue..

Scotland isn’t the best site for a spaceport anyway, we’re too far north.

Unless you’re launching satellites on a polar orbit, but I think that’s pretty rare.

Have we done the thing about Better Together’s “Grassroots” support yet? the bit where they bus the same bunch of people all over Scotland and hope no-one notices?

A campaign group actually going around the country campaigning to voters is hardly headline news is it?

Ok, Junky again, which law says that If Scotland was not part of the ­EU, then EU citizens would lose the right to stay there?

The reason why you’re not getting the answer you think is the right one is because you haven’t worked out that the question you have asked is an absurdity. It also keeps changing. It also isn’t sure of its tense. It also confuses the right of a person to live in a state with permission to live in a state. It also supposes that the absence of a person’s right to live in a state creates some sort of obligation upon the state to remove them.

But apart from all that, Zero 11, it was a really insightful question.

More bluff and bluster

Maybe some of the Scottish MEPs should have backed Cameron?

Don’t worry, rUK will leave the EU and we will take it’s place 😉

If I’m honest I’d be more worried about that statement that Barosso, but I still wouldn’t put it past the EU fudging it for all the reasons already discussed.

The SNP still seem confused about how independence works

The SNP has insisted that Scotland is already in the EU

What it the threat then- can you state it please ? It is a bland statement of the law pertaining to what it would mean if iS was not in the EU. Its the truth basically.

In response to junkyard the threat is to the EU and EU citizens currently in Scotland. It must be unsettling enough already with the amount of anti-EU news from UKIP and then the SNP start making their own scare stories up. If Scotland can’t immediately join the EU then they will undoubtedly go through the joining process and kicking out EU nationals would not gain them any good favour. Who would of thought the SNP would use project fear tactics with the EU?

aracer Its like deja vu all over again ….how many times have we done this one then?

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the threat is to the EU and EU citizens currently in Scotland.

What threat? you seem to be calling facts a threat. Only those in the EU apply EU rules to say this is not to threaten anyone it is just a fact.

the SNP start making their own scare stories up

So they wont really do it ? Whatever they say you just attack.
So your claim is if they are not in the EU then they wont really ask EU nationals to leave, they will honour the obligations of the treaty they are not in and to say otherwise is a scare story? Interesting it is almost as if you hate them

If Scotland can’t immediately join the EU then they will undoubtedly go through the joining process

Big IF , they might – its probably the most likely but it is not undoubted.

and kicking out EU nationals would not gain them any good favour. Who would of thought the SNP would use project fear tactics with the EU?

Your irght why cann they not spread positivity like you have here eh

Even when they just state facts the no voters who cannot vote get outraged

teh lack of any hint of objectivity in this debate is somewhat chastening

otherwise bright and articulate individuals reduced to this….I may even flounce if you keep it up 😛

Another day, another EU official telling the SNP yS that iS joining the EU won’t be as easy as they think claim to the electorate.

What threat? you seem to be calling facts a threat.

If I was an EU worker from another country living/working in the UK I would feel threatened by the amount of anti EU comments in the press. I would feel that my right to reside and work were under threat.

Big IF , they might – its probably the most likely but it is not undoubted.

Taken directly from the white paper.
The Scottish Government, supported by the overwhelming majority of Members of the Scottish Parliament, believes that membership of the EU is in the best interests of Scotland. It is our policy, therefore, that an independent Scotland continues as a member of the EU.
Not much doubt there.

teh lack of any hint of objectivity in this debate is somewhat chastening

My original comment noted that UKIP and the main UK parties have all been guilty of anti-EU sentiment and I pointed out that the SNP were now at it as well. You missed the point old bean, put your reading glasses and try to engage your brain next time.

Only those in the EU apply EU rules

Switzerland?

My original comment noted that UKIP and the main UK parties have all been guilty of anti-EU sentiment and I pointed out that the SNP were now at it as well.

What have the SNP said that could count as anti-EU sentiment? I think all they’ve said is that if Scotland isn’t in the EU then we won’t have to comply with EU treaties. Pretty obvious, really. Of course it’ll all be sorted out by sensible people after the referendum so there will be a smooth transition.

Oh look, Better Together misrepresenting things again:

Of course we need to join the EU after independence. How else is the social benefits bill going to get paid once the oil (and tax revenue) runs out?

That fellas from the Beeb, it’ll all be lies.

What have the SNP said that could count as anti-EU sentiment?

“There are 160,000 EU nationals from other states living in Scotland, including some in the Commonwealth Games city of Glasgow.If Scotland was outside Europe, they would lose the right to stay here.”

When you combine this with comments from UKIP, Tories, Labour etc it really is unfair on people from other EU countries to be dragged into politics. I don’t think the SNP would kick them out if they did not get automatic entry to the EU, I just think it is negative, project fear tactics to try to appeal to the Scottish electorate.

So stating a fact of law is project fear?

The SNP is one of the most pro-EU parties, why else is there all the argument about whether an independent Scotland would be in the EU? Especially now that the Westminster reshuffle has kicked out the few pro-European people in the cabinet.

The SNP is one of the most pro-EU parties

I agree totally with your comment but I think Sturgeon has let the SNP down with her comment. I would have thought the SNP would be trying to woo the EU not using implied threats to force their agenda. Whatever way you look at it Ben it was a negative comment regardless of whether it is a fact or not.

It could equally be seen as a warning of what could happen if the anti-EU Westminster government gets its way.

If I was an EU worker from another country living/working in the UK I would feel threatened by the amount of anti EU comments in the press. I would feel that my right to reside and work were under threat.

What if you are scottish and resident in the EU and currently an EU citizen. Is the EU threatening you or just stating facts? That me BTW there [ assuming rUK stays in the EU. My right to reside here may be complicated by that for example. They are threatening me right ?

It is our policy, therefore, that an independent Scotland continues as a member of the EU.

Offers no opinion on if they would apply but who knows what they would do if thwarted in continuing tbh. It is probably the best guess to assume they will but it is not certain.

My original comment noted that UKIP and the main UK parties have all been guilty of anti-EU sentiment and I pointed out that the SNP were now at it as well. You missed the point old bean, put your reading glasses and try to engage your brain next time.

You might wish to give me an example of folk being objective on this thread about both yes and no. I see little of that from either side. There are a few hundred pages I think you will be lucky to get 10 posts 😉

FWIW I am pro european and agree with the rest about the sickening levels of anti EU bias displayed daily in the media and by parties in general. I do not think stating a fact is an example of this tbh.

Are people considering what the EU will be like if Scotland is in the EU and rUK is not? I don’t think Yes voters are considering this. The EU will be far weaker without the rUK, meaning the EU we seek to be a member of is a diminished organisation over what it is currently. I would like to be in the EU with the whole of the UK. I also reckon a pro European Scotland MAY tip the balance in any in/out referendum.

Who is to say that the EU (in its current form) will still exist in 5 years time? The hiccups at Espírito Santo are just one sign that the turmoil is merely bubbling away just under the surface.

But it is an example of the extreme nature if this folly/vanity project that anyone would propose leaving a union that works well for one that has doesn’t and by design cannot. Among the many bizarre aspects of this whole charade that is one of the most absurd.

Perhaps the theory and practice of optimum currency areas wasn’t taught in AS’s day. Pity, it should be required for any economist.

The most interesting aspect of Ms Sturgeon’s comments is surely that those 160,000 EU nationals resident in Scotland would like to stay in Scotland, Ms Sturgeon has just told them that in the event of a yes vote they’d be kicked out and the eligibility rules for the referendum mean they all get a vote! If I’ve worked it out correctly that’s 4% of the electorate.

Sturgeon just got confused, leave her be. It’s tough enough swimming in the big boys pool without removing her arm bands.

If Scotland can’t immediately join the EU then they will undoubtedly go through the joining process and kicking out EU nationals would not gain them any good favour.

There is zero chance that a newly independent Scotland is going to attempt to deport 160,000 people. Even establishing their visa eligibility would be a massive undertaking. It’s just not going to happen.

Are people considering what the EU will be like if Scotland is in the EU and rUK is not?

There is zero chance that the UK will leave the EU. Discussing is futile. It’s just not going to happen.

The EU will be far weaker without the rUK

I don’t think the EU would be far weaker without the UK.

It would be a bit inconvenient for iScotland if rUK wasn’t in the EU but iScotland was, but it wouldn’t be the end of the world.

Ms Sturgeon has just told them that in the event of a yes vote they’d be kicked out

She just said what would happen if iS was not in the EU she did not say this at all as we do not know if they will be in the EU or not. Can i post the picture yet?

There is zero chance that the UK will leave the EU. Discussing is futile. It’s just not going to happen

I wish i shared your optimism but a vote would be closer than this one IMHO as surveys show it is pretty even. Its has to be considered a possibility rather than a zero chance scenario

aracer – Member

Ms Sturgeon has just told them that in the event of a yes vote they’d be kicked out

Ehhhh no.

There is zero chance that the UK will leave the EU.

I think that might be a slight exaggeration. An Opinium/Observer opinion poll 3 weeks ago concluded :

British people favour leaving the European Union

I think “unlikely” would be a rather more measured and sober assessment than “zero chance”.

Sturgeon has just told them that in the event of a yes vote they’d be kicked out

No, she didn’t.

Better Together opened a shop in Kirkcaldy – the upstairs neighbours weren’t too impressed:

😀

I prefer the celebrity love bombing video.

I don’t think the EU would be far weaker without the UK.

The UK has the third largest economy in the EU, It has one of the leading financial sectors in the world. We also still have a strong armed forces, are a nuclear power, have a permanent seat on the UN security council and strong relations with other non-EU democracies.

So it would be a massive blow to the EU if the UK left.

I imagine at least half of the EU would help us pack tbh and our relations are not that strong as the Junkers vote showed.

Problems is we are also a lone wolf at the edges of all they want to do constantly sniping and maoning and not wanting to play the same game.
We are like the star striker who sulks all game and them moans when no one passes to them , does no work for the team throughout the game and says they cannot do without us.
The strong financial sector is not much liked by the EU [ centre of secrecy and tax evasion] and e opposed legislation on this. I imagine frankfurt would happily take over for the EU

I dont think they want the UK to leave but i dont think they would be heart broken either.

Personal opinion there JY. Have you run out of facts? 😉