Osbourne says no to currency union.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28276525

I like this one, particularly the paragraph stating from the Scottish Government that only independence would allow Scotland to develop it’s space industry.

Tell that to the people using food banks.

Surely even HS2 would be a better use of funds?

The voters say no

Such a shame they’re not going to be able to vote for real 😉

The BBC is trying its hardest, though – they’re currently blurring out the Yes flags in coverage from T In The Park…

Who is this prat ‘Anthony King’ THM ?

If the Scottish people freely choose to separate from the rest of the UK then why on earth would both sides not want to facilitate the process to bring about a speedy and amicable conclusion ?

Threats of non-cooperation are incredibly childish and serve no useful purpose.

From athgray’s link :

Scotland has a proud association with space exploration. We celebrated Neil Armstrong’s Scottish ancestry when he became the first man on the Moon

So the 1969 moon landing was a great achievement for Scotland ?

How desperate are the nats or do they really believe this bollocks ?

King offers no opinion on the vote one way or the other he merely says the separation and independence wont go smoothly if they do vote for independence because rUK would not play nicely. Given AS claims that rUK bullies Scotland one could equally claim it supports his view of the UK.

IMHO both claims would be tenuous and one would need one to be wandering around the internet looking fo r articles that support ones view.
for exampe

if there is to be an amicable settlement after a Yes vote, the Scottish government will be looking for a significant amount of goodwill from Westminster. But that goodwill is unlikely to be forthcoming, especially if the UK government elected in May 2015 is Conservative

Bit better than the last one you quoted but still not quite what you claim.

ernie that quote is risible but it is Danny Alexander and not a nationalist

Nobody on here would do that would they?

If i was to answer would it be ?
1. A troll
2. A straw man
😉

From athgray’s link :

Scotland has a proud association with space exploration. We celebrated Neil Armstrong’s Scottish ancestry when he became the first man on the Moon

So the 1969 moon landing was a great achievement for Scotland ?

How desperate are the nats or do they really believe this bollocks ?

If you read the article it was Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander who made those remarks. Last time I checked he was not a nat.

Edited :

I read the article but obviously failed to read it diligently enough. I am not however in the least bit surprised that something as moronic as that comment came the lips of Danny Alexander.

I also failed to read Junkyards post diligently enough.

As the poster above explained the space quote you used is from danny alexander who is the treasury secretary and very much not a nationalist and will be voting no.
I was not replying to your quote re King

Sorry for the lack of clarity as it is not clear.

I do agree that threats to not co-operate, which ever way the vote goes, and whichever side does it, are childish and unhelpful.

Sorry for the lack of clarity as it is not clear.

No it was me.

ernie_lynch – Member 
Who is this prat ‘Anthony King’ THM ?

Don’t know if he is a prat or not Ernie. I do know that he is a prof at one of the UK’s leading Unis though. But hey, standards must be slipping there and at the FT?!? 😉 He will be on Newsnight next!

Still valid points in many respects. We have already seen in January what happens in financial markets when AS spouts his BS. At the very least a yes vote will lead to significant uncertainty especially since one side is so clearly ill-prepared on most issues. Beyond that AS pretends that while he will negotiate hard in Scotland’s interests, the rUK will roll over like a pup. That is a crock. Not only will rUK negotiate hard and in its own interests but it also holds the aces and the trumps. The result will be a mess that is unlikely to serve anyone’s interests well. Then again that is often the case with vanity projects.

Why do so many people on the No side think independence is just Alex Salmond’s vanity project? Because they can’t think outside the standard party political system? Because they think it helps their cause to play the man?

I’m happy with which side I’m on.

Are so there’s more than one narrow minded bigoted xenophobe in Scotland, here was me thinking it was just AS.

Now here in Yorkshire we pride ourselves, nay celebrate our bigotry. our xenophobes are beacons of true Yorkshire men (no women obviously). Once we have our independence or devo-max (which ever’s cheapest), I can see a true Scotland Yorkshire alliance being built. Jointly we could celebrate moaning an ow little we spent.

The first summit meeting between Alex Salmond and Geoffery Boycott should go very well.

MT – Pah, you can’t expect a mere elected politician to share equal footing on the same stage as Royalty!

Oh the ironing. I’d almost wonder if it was deliberate, but suspect Ben had his blinkers on and didn’t spot it.

Are so there’s more than one narrow minded bigoted xenophobe in Scotland, here was me thinking it was just AS.

Given the rest of your post is clearly in jest, I’ll assume that this was to and give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not really a prize bellend.

Not only will rUK negotiate hard and in its own interests

Are you claiming rUK wont adhere to the Edinburgh agreement whilst blaming AS for this?
It seems odd to have a pop at AS when the article is all about rUK ignoring the Edinburgh agreement and not playing fairly in the event of a yes vote. How is this his fault? As ernie notes that would just not be cricket. IMHO it makes more sense to claim that this is evidence that supports his view tbh but it is still weak. to claim that the rUK ignoring their own signed pledge is evidence against AS is to put ones politics before the facts.
As for calling scottish independence a vanity project that is disrespectful tabloid trash talk not worthy of response beyond 🙄

Ben same to you with your football team tbh

there are fine people/organisations on both sides and nobbers on both sides.
It is easy to cherry pick a team either way to highlight your point.

IMHO more nutters are pro union [ in general – orange order, UKIP , EDL types] but that is still aweak point to make.

Because they think it helps their cause to play the man?

Of course it does in the same it serves AS to play CMD as a Etonian bully or No to say it is just a vote for AS or his vanity programme. Please remember to only criticise the other side for doing this though , whilst then doing it yourself,that is the critical point in all this.

Love the picture Ben. SNP hiding away at left back and many of the NO A team rested including the foreign players! Are they on their way back from Brazil still?

Are you claiming rUK wont adhere to the Edinburgh agreement whilst blaming AS for this?
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No – he’s pointing out that rUK will adhere to the Edinburgh Agreement!

Co-operation
30. The United Kingdom and Scottish Governments are committed,
through the Memorandum of Understanding between them and others,4
to working together on matters of mutual interest and to the principles of good communication and mutual respect. The two governments have reached this agreement in that spirit. They look forward to a referendum that is legal and fair producing a decisive and respected outcome. The two governments are committed to continue to work together constructively in the light of the outcome, whatever it is, in the best interests of the people of Scotland and of the rest of the United Kingdom.

Not convinced tbh but happy to hear your explanation

ninfan,

thought that as a mere mortal AS would appreciate the company of His Godship Boycott.

whatnoshandy,

if i’d wanted to be insulting I’d have mentioned that the other common traits Scotlandistas and plain Yorkshire folk have is a sense of humour and the ability not to take things to seriously. I’d have been lying mind.

Now back to the point of this thread, Free Yorkshire!

edit. Just noticed. If there’s money with the award for “prize bellend” I’ll accept with honour, if not then keep it were it belongs. 🙂

I’m happy with which side I’m on.

How strange, there doesn’t appear to be anywhere on either team for “average member of the Scottish electorate”

It’s a question posed to the electorate about a binary decision. Your comment makes no sense,

This may or may not have some impact if the trend continues.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/14/ukip-guardian-icm-poll-tories-labour-nigel-farage

Try to imagine Ed Milliband as Prime Minister.

Exactly.

Hard to imagine any of them as PM.

Even Dave.

Surprised we haven’t done the SNP trying to threaten the EU:

Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has warned that ­keeping an independent ­Scotland out of the EU could mean people from other European nations living in Scotland could “lose the right to stay here”.

Ms Sturgeon suggested that the 160,000 non-British citizens from other EU members states now resident in Scottish cities and towns could be stripped of their residency rights if Scotland was “outside Europe”.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/sturgeon-warns-europeans-could-lose-right-to-stay-1-3475453

I tried to imagine all of them lined up to see which of them I preferred. Dave, Ed, Nick, Nigel, Alex.

Then I found myself imagining a brick wall, blindfolds and a load of blokes with rifles.

Interesting argument, with 3 possible solutions I can see:

1) EU give in to the blustering and let Scotland back in on what ever terms they want
2) iS pragmatically allows all EU nationals currently resident to stay in order not to piss off the organisation they want to join

…and here’s the really radical one
3) Scotland doesn’t leave the EU in the first place.

Presumably Ms Sturgeon hasn’t worked out that being independent would allow them to do what they want with their borders – not that surprising I suppose given they seem to reject most of the other aspects of independence.

Has anybody checked for a smoking gun and holes in her feet recently?

There are many glaring ommissions from the No side on that team sheet, probably as their are few if any banner waving campaign groups to shout their cause. What about No voting women? What about No voting mums? What about No voting 16-17 year olds? What about No voting socialists? What about No voting NHS workers? Were none of them not worthy of inclusion?

The worst error of all though, is not showing UKIP and SNP on the same team.

It would have been no less useless to show a point if the No side was filled with notable serial killers.

Ben was having some fun. Cut him some slack, it was funny.

There are many glaring ommissions from the No side on that team sheet, probably as their are few if any banner waving campaign groups to shout their cause. What about No voting women? What about No voting mums? What about No voting 16-17 year olds? What about No voting socialists? What about No voting NHS workers? Were none of them not worthy of inclusion?

No, because none of them are official groups registered with the Electoral Commission. UKIP aren’t registered either, but they want to abolish the Scottish parliament so I think we can safely assume they’re on the no side.

Surprised we haven’t done the SNP trying to threaten the EU:

How is stating the law a threat?
IF the EU said if scotland was not in the EU scottish nationals could not work there are they threatening them or just stating the rules?

The groups I describe can’t possibly exist because they are not registered with the Electoral Commission?

Remember “Yes Scotland can steal the Saltire but they but they will never have sole ownership of the Che Guevara T-shirt.”

😀 😀

How is stating the law a threat?

What part of EU or Scottish law says that EU citizens are not allowed to live in Scotland if Scotland leaves?

As Aracer points out – being independent would allow them to do what they want with their own borders, if Scotland decided to enact a law that withdrew residency rights from EU citizens because they were not allowed membership themselves, then that would be their own choice, nothing to do with EU law.

JY it is an implied threat towards EU nationals. What with UKIP and every other party trying to out do UKIP on EU-phobia it just makes the UK look even more inhospitable to other Europeans.

Talking of the Law, time to add the Law Society of Scotland to the list

Lawyers have demanded that Alex Salmond address a string of vital questions about an independent Scotland’s currency, tax system and EU membership that it says remain outstanding just two months before the referendum.
The Law Society of Scotland has accused the SNP government of failing to provide enough information about some of the most fundamental issues concerning the country’s future.

The Times.

Perhaps dear Nicola was just trying to answer some of the questions (misguidedly of course). Bless her wee tartan socks.

“The process of actually separating Scotland from the UK will not be quick or smooth. The UK has many joint institutions that have been built up over the past 300 years. “It would take more than 18 months to negotiate with the rest of the UK on the terms of independence and longer still to pass the necessary legislation. We could not sensibly approach the EU until after we had done all that.”

Have the lawyers failed to read the agreement too? 😉

Perhaps Them could tell us what the Law Society of Scotland had to say about the no campaign proposals for further devolution.