Oceangate Sub Missing

https://twitter.com/USCGNortheast/status/1671907901542211584?s=20

More stuff on the debris field.

Hopefully for them it was a sudden collapse. They wouldn’t of known anything about it.

This one’s a world record setting pilot, so I guess he is well aware of risk

See the (excellent) point @martinhutch makes ☝️

He’s been taking risks that are relatively low likelihood, but high impact. And they haven’t materialised. so it looks to the observer like it paid off with his world records.

Until this risk materialised now…

…and it now looks like he might have been an idiot all along or at least reckless (I’ll leave you to judge that)

What is the likelihood that the banging, then the debris, might indicate they sonehow self imploded it when hope was lost? Grim.

What is the likelihood that the banging, then the debris, might indicate they sonehow self imploded it when hope was lost? Grim

Not sure how they could of done it deliberately?

No-one will ever know for sure, unless they can recover some data from the built in hull monitoring system? I wonder if a SD card could survive that pressure?

Don’t know how they would do that, unless they had a gun on board.

Another 5 lives added to the number lost to the  111 year old titanic disaster 🙁

Another footnote in history for the Titanic, now they are immortalised in history in way you wouldn’t really want to be.

I actually feel relief if this is how it happened. They wouldn’t have known a thing. The alternatives are horrifying.

Good news in a really dark way 🙁

What is the likelihood that the banging, then the debris, might indicate they sonehow self imploded it when hope was lost? Grim.

Surely it’s  more likely that the banging was completely unrelated and they died immediately when communication was lost.

A non certified & unconventional design of sub + seemingly reckless boss + 300bar of pressure, all adds up to a likely catastrophic failure

Whatever waivers they signed, I suspect legal action will be incoming

There looked to be a bit more to the sub than just the main pressure hull. Debris does not automatically mean the whole thing has been destroyed or that the debris is from the sub (though given how extensively this area has been researched I’d imagine the existing debris fields are well known).

That said sadly I think they are likely long dead.

Another footnote in history for the Titanic, now they are immortalised in history in way you wouldn’t really want to be.

And the scattered remains of the OceanGate becomes a point of interest for future sightseeing parties?

That would be ironic.

Don’t know how they would do that, unless they had a gun on board.

Screwdriver or other sharp object on the viewing portal? Unlikely though.

How good do you think the lawyers of dead billionaires are?

There looked to be a bit more to the sub than just the main pressure hull. Debris does not automatically mean the whole thing has been destroyed or that the debris is from the sub (though given how extensively this area has been researched I’d imagine the existing debris fields are well known).

How would a carbon fibre hull collapse? Not being a STW BigHitter ™️, my bikes are not made of carbon so no idea how it fails? You’d imagine a regular sub would just collapse like a coke can in a vacuum.

It’s significantly dark at these depths and the search area is huge. The rov has only been on station for a short time and is very slow moving. It’s possible that they had an indication of where to look to find the debris. It doesn’t sound good but it’s possible the debris is from attempts to make the craft buoyant, i.e the jettison components. Which could mean the craft is intact. They haven’t mentioned at what point the 30 minute banging stopped, if it has?

How good do you think the lawyers of dead billionaires are?

At suing the dead owner of a company?

The speculation about the debris on the news is maddening, the desperate attempt to be ‘first’ is predatory.

It’s been like that since 9/11.

Twenty-Four hour rolling newsgasm.

How would a carbon fibre hull collapse? Not being a STW BigHitter ™️, my bikes are not made of carbon so no idea how it fails? You’d imagine a regular sub would just collapse like a coke can in a vacuum.

Going by reports, this sub had been downgraded due to structural fatigue, unless they are NDT’ing the structure regular, i.e. hull scanning or the likes, you aren’t really sure of the structural integrity, it’s all good and well designing something that has passed testing for entry to service, but in-service surveillance is critical, to pick up on damage, corrosion, etc.

It’s been like that since 9/11.

Twenty-Four hour rolling newsgasm.

Aye, was always grateful for Op Minimise on tour, stops the shitehawks leaking names before family were told. The press would have you believe they exercised restraint out of respect.

How would a carbon fibre hull collapse?

From the engineer who sued them after being fired:

Given the prevalent flaws in the previously tested 1/3 scale model, and the visible flaws in the carbon end samples for the Titan, Lochridge again stressed the potential danger to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths. The constant pressure cycling weakens existing flaws resulting in large tears of the carbon. Non-destructive testing was critical to detect such potentially existing flaws in order to ensure a solid and safe product for the safety of the passengers and crew.

So that’s one possible reason why it ‘might’ fail not on the first outing, but after a number of them, with the repeated (and massive) changes in pressure. I suppose they might retrieve a bit of the carbon from the bit that breached, if it was that that failed, rather than the titanium bits, or the window, but it’s equally possible that we’ll never find out.

BBC reporting the sub’s landing gear and rear cover found amongst debris.

Urgh.  Nasty way to go but presumably quick

The speculation about the debris on the news is maddening

It’s no worse than the speculation on here. I haven’t seen anyone on the news wondering if they might have killed themselves to avoid suffocating. 🙄

Complete speculation but ironic if banging on the hull caused implosion… the whole thing is just awful and I wish BBC news hadn’t splashed “Breaking” news about a “broken” submarine… “Update” might have been better…

By his own f-in admission….. CEO boasts about not following rules.

Where is Alanis?

Titanic Submarine CEO proudly claims "You’re remembered for the rules you break"
by u/Basylikum in CrazyFuckingVideos

Complete speculation but ironic if banging on the hull caused implosion

It was reported that on further analysis the banging was background noise.

“Update” might have been better…

the use of “live” for the continously updated website feeds can often be a bit awkward given what the subject often is.

I haven’t seen anyone on the news wondering if they might have killed themselves to avoid suffocating.

Equally, they haven’t been celebrating one less billionaire.

Makes you wonder, they found the detachable legs (seawater 16hr fuse) and a panel. So the sub could still be floating around…

This is all very mawkish, and hard to avoid hearing about… near constantly. A sad story we don’t need to be feeding on 24/7.

Thanks for talking for all of us kelvin. You must be really important. A good way to avoid hearing about something is not to open and contribute to a thread with a topic you don’t wish to hear about.

Almost sounds like a Viz top tip.

By his own f-in admission….. CEO boasts about not following rules

So it turns out that when it comes to life-threatening situations, the ‘rules’ are there for a reason?

Who knew?

I totally agree with the CEO’s remarks… he can/could go down in an old wheelie-bin for all I care. It’s taking other people along for the ride which is reprehensible. The whole thing just stinks of cutting corners for profit. Writ large. The others had an idea of the risks I imagine, but the poor 19yo lad probably just thought ‘this is gonna make my insta blow up’. Tragic. At least it was instant, and maybe they got to see the Titanic before it happened.

I started this thread and when I did I was not thinking about whether they were billionaires or white or whatever; I was just hoping they would find them alive and that some of the people in the world might unite in a common desire to help people in a maritime distress situation. Largely I think this happened but I am genuinely sorry that they haven’t been rescued – so far anyway, although it’s looking unlikely. And when I say that it does not mean that I am not also saddened by the loss of migrants on a fishing vessel and the like. I feel for every life lost at sea, billionaires or not. May they rest in peace if that is what the eventual outcome is.

I just don’t understand the fascination with the Titanic. It is just an old wrecked ship. The ocean floor is littered with the bloody things. Each to their own but risking life and limb to look at some rusty old shite seems like utter madness.

Makes you wonder, they found the detachable legs (seawater 16hr fuse) and a panel. So the sub could still be floating around…

As I understand it the rear ‘panel’ is the whole pointy bit at the back of the sub. No pointy bit, no sub? I guess maybe it could be just a cover for something.

I just don’t understand the fascination with the Titanic

You are not the only one. Okay it was a tragic and important maritime disaster, but I have never understood why it has been elevated to such prominence. And it is well over a hundred years since it sank.

There isn’t even any mystery over why it sunk. Nor was it even a freak accident – ships that hit icebergs are very often likely to sink.

No pointy bit, no sub?

I think it’s a cover, perhaps just to make it more efficient to move through the water, I think there will be a titanium dome under it to seal the sub.  However, all a bit mute seeing as the latest update says from Oceangate says they believe the crew is dead.

this is gonna make my insta blow up

that went a bit flat.

IGMC

Rear Adm John Mauger, the First Coast Guard District commander says a remotely operated vehicle from Horizon Arctic discovered the tail cone of the Titan sub approximately 1,600 feet from the bow of the Titanic on the seafloor.

The debris is “consistent with a catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber”, he says.

From the Guardian.

Just stated that they’ve also found the fore and aft pressure bells of the sub along with the aft cone. All points to sudden catastrophic failure which can be the only logical explanation.