Oceangate Sub Missing

many easier ways to get to 9000m.

Like what?

Commercial airliner

See also, Everest attempts.

Even fully supported thats still requires personal effort and some skill so is a challenge.
vs sitting in, admittedly, uncomfortable box for 10 hours and hoping someone else hasnt screwed up.

I don’t get the fascination with the Titanic, she wasn’t even the first in her class (Olympic was and she was scrapped in 1937 without ceremony) If you want to see an old wreck you can dive on her “just as unfortunate” sister ship HMHS Britannic

Statistically nearly 50% of smokers die from smoke related disease. Doesn’t stop people from smoking.

Same applies to risky activities like base jumping, mountaineering, going into space and visiting the Titanic. Not a problem unless you are the wrong side of the stats.

I don’t get the fascination with the Titanic, she wasn’t even the first in her class

There is loads of things about the Titanic that explain the fascination.

Her loss led directly to the SOLAS regs.

She was called “unsinkable”, not by the builders but by an engineering magazine.

Her design with the sub division did exactly what it was supposed to do, sink slowly and upright to allow he lifeboats to be launched. A principle still in passenger ship design today.

If they had enough lifeboats, everyone could of been saved, save a few who drowned from the initial flooding.

If the officers had understood how to use the state of the art lifeboat davits, a lot more would of been saved. The davits were the first to be designed to lower the boats fully loaded.

If the Californian had reacted, a lot more would of survived.

There were a lot of very wealthy onboard and a few died.

I could go on.

you could make a similar “what if” list for every ship wreck in history.

I think you need to reassess your risk assessments binners. I’m putting money on more people being killed from partaking of too much fine dining in Greggs than have been killed by buying a ticket on expedition certain death

you could make a similar “what if” list for every ship wreck in history.

You probably could, but there are masses of  ships that are dived on regularly, and the ones that films and documentaries are made about? I’ve got books on my shelves about local wrecks. There’s absolutely no difference between those and the Titanic, in terms of being morbid or ghoulish.

I reckon that if the Titanic was in 20m of water then it would be the busiest dive site in the world.

The folk on here saying ” I don’t know why folk would want to spend their own money to do visit titanic” – you will lose your mind when you hear what the majority of the UK population would think about cyclists spending around 1/4 of the average annual take home pay, per bike, to spend on a bicycle to then dress up in either lycra or pyjamas.

The folk on here saying ” I don’t know why folk would want to spend their own money to do visit titanic” – you will lose your mind when you hear what the majority of the UK population would think about cyclists spending around 1/4 of the average annual take home pay, per bike, to spend on a bicycle to then dress up in either lycra or pyjamas.

Don’t believe ya, like most on here i’ve got an apollo from Halfords and wear jeans.

If there’s five people in there with enough oxygen for 96 hours, presumably you could finish off the other four, and then you’d have enough oxygen for 480 hours, which is about 20 days. Obviously you’d get quite hungry, but you’d have something to eat as well.

Bit awks when they open up the capsule though. It’s not like you can use the ‘Captain Oates’ excuse – ‘oh, he just said he was popping out for a while’.

Another issue with murderin’ the other occupants is that decomposition products would render the atmosphere unbreathable fairly quickly too.

Another issue with murderin’ the other occupants is that decomposition products would render the atmosphere unbreathable fairly quickly too.

Would just have to eat them quickly then before they go off.

Another issue with murderin’ the other occupants is that decomposition products would render the atmosphere unbreathable fairly quickly too.

Will there be any heating in the submersible? Would it normally be needed? I don’t know how cold the sea is at 4000m down, but based on how cold the sea was in Gower last week, I’m thinking that the sub will feel like a freezer at the moment and maybe help in preventing the above?

Are people saying that they dont understand paying money to visit a famous wreck?
Or are they questioning the desire to visit said wreck in an experimental / cobbled together submarine, that will cost £250,000 (or is it $?) and has a VERY remote chance of survival should something go wrong?

I can get wanting to see a famous wreck, esp as diver. As a passenger on a sub, not so much. As a passenger in a small sub with all the abovementioned issues around survivability? Er, nope.

I’m also, you will not be surprised to learn, not particulary interested in other activities that if they go wrong are pretty certain to lead to life changing injuries or death, such as wing suit flying. But at least a lot of those have payoffs I can understand – exhilaration, achievement, overcoming physical challenges etc. Sitting in a potential coffn whilst someone esle drives you to 4000m bsl to look out of a tiny porthole to see something that there are already high def images of – no I don’t get why anyone would see that as a reasonable payoff for the risks.

I don’t understand the comparisons made with Auschwitz or Pompeii on the previous page.

I have visited a Nazi concentration camp, I think it is important to understand history and the horrors committed by racism.

The significance of Pompeii, which I have also visited, isn’t that a lot of people died there but that it is so well preserved and it tells us a great deal about life two thousand years ago.

War graves, which I have also visited, are a solemn lesson on the horrors of war and a way to honour those who have died at the prime of their lives.

I don’t understand the attraction of undertaking a highly dangerous dive, at huge cost, to look at a sunk ocean liner, other than to say that you have seen it.

 I don’t know how cold the sea is at 4000m down

I heard on the news that the water temp was close to freezing.

Also 5 guys spending 4 days in there is going to absolutely rank.

I read somewhere that the bravest guy on the Apollo Program was the one who opened the hatch when they had landed.

I have visited a Nazi concentration camp, I think it is important to understand history and the horrors committed by racism.

Why did you need to visit the site to understand that?

Are people saying that they dont understand paying money to visit a famous wreck?

Or are they questioning the desire to visit said wreck in an experimental / cobbled together submarine, that will cost £250,000 (or is it $?) and has a VERY remote chance of survival should something go wrong?

You couldn’t pay me £250,000 to get in that shonky piece of duct-taped, X-box controlled drainage pipe, never mind expecting money going in the other direction, given that anything going wrong (as seems distinctly likely, looking at the thing) means pretty much certain death.

Just Darwinism innit? Bearing in mind the enormous booming klaxon that the crucial word ‘experimental’ sets off in reference to any vehicle you’d be expecting me to get into

I think you need to reassess your risk assessments binners. I’m putting money on more people being killed from partaking of too much fine dining in Greggs than have been killed by buying a ticket on expedition certain death

I’m not paying Greggs £250,000 even over MY lifetime, to kill me though, am I? And it’ll take a lot longer than a few days. At least munching on a steak bake is a better way to go than weighing up whether you’ll suffocate or freeze to death first in a pitch black plastic tube at the bottom of the ocean. Not even their vegan stuff is that bad!

Why did you need to visit the site to understand that?

You could say the same about war graves, but the rows and rows and rows of young men kinda of really drives it home. :/

Dazh, the amount of glee and happiness you’ve displayed, multiple times in this thread about the probable death of 5 folk is frankly disgusting and a great display of your actual character.

Form my understanding they have now passed the time where they will have used up the oxygen they took with them. Grim way to go

I have visited a Nazi concentration camp, I think it is important to understand history and the horrors committed by racism.

Why did you need to visit the site to understand that?

Because if you experience something the lesson tends to be more profound and it has a deeper meaning. Did you really have to ask the question?

What do you think can be gained by undertaking a highly dangerous dive, at great expense, even to wealthy people, to look at a broken wreck at huge depth?

Actually, forget the Tracy Brothers…

Kwazii and the Vegemals are who I’d trust in this situation.

Form my understanding they have now passed the time where they will have used up the oxygen they took with them. Grim way to go

Would catastrophic failure not have been the most likely?

Grimly, are we now just waiting for news that the half-hourly banging has ceased?

I’m not paying Greggs £250,000 even over MY lifetime, to kill me though, am I?

We’ll need some more detail. How many steak bakes and doughnuts per day, over what period? We’ll obviously also have to allow for inflation, particularly going forward. And if we could get some kind of actuarial data we could estimate your lifespan.

My guesstimate is somewhere well north of 50 grand. Probably could have bought yourself an executive survival experience with Ray Mears for that.

wheres John Terry?

multiple times in this thread about the probable death of 5 folk

Approximately 150k people die every day somewhere in the world, many in horrible and tragic circumstances. What makes these 5 people deserve my mourning more than the others?

You could say the same about war graves, but the rows and rows and rows of young men kinda of really drives it home. :/

Because if you experience something the lesson tends to be more profound and it has a deeper meaning. Did you really have to ask the question?

I’ve visited plenty, and yes, you are right, the rows of graves or names on the monument drives something home, but not the reason for the killing in the first place. You don’t get any more understanding of a war by visiting the graves. I’d suggest that in visiting Auschwitz you get as much understanding of why the Nazis committed genocide as you get an understanding of why Stonehenge was built when you stand in the stones.

Edit : would you visit a mass grave in the Balkans to achieve the same result?

If you want to see an old wreck you can dive on her “just as unfortunate” sister ship HMHS Britannic

Errr… no. The Britannic sits at around 120m and so is way out of reach of most divers. It’s also quite a logistical challenge to get there with permission to dive it.

Though you could get there in a much simpler submersible so if billionaires want to pay 250k a pop to look at it… (scans ebay for cheap subs)

My guess would be a catastrophic failure of the hull.

They had no way of testing the hull for voids after previous dives.

Everyone on here will have s tory of their or their mates carbon fibre failing at some point.

But why is that even a thing? The sinking of the Titanic was a tragic event which resulted in a catastrophic loss of life, which is why of course that it is so famous. So why would someone feel the need to see it with their own eyes?

Inevitably, for ‘the likes’ probably. Very few people can do it, even going up Everest these days looks like you’re stood in a queue all the way up in order to get your selfie at the top. People doing stuff to put on social media.

Approximately 150k people die every day somewhere in the world, many in horrible and tragic circumstances. What makes these 5 people deserve my mourning more than the others?

Because it’s a tragic drama with people who are now known to us through the media. I don’t know the other 150k.

My guess would be a catastrophic failure of the hull.

my guess would be something far less spectacular.

I don’t suppose it matters much to the 5 dead people

What makes these 5 people deserve my mourning more than the others?

No has suggested that these 5 people deserve your mourning more than others, as far as I am aware.

There might have been the suggestion that circumstances surrounding their deaths was pretty horrific though. I certainly think so. Unless they died instantly.

My guess would be a catastrophic failure of the hull.

I am pretty sure the experts (not here) have said that no explosion/implosion/catastrophic noise had been heard hence that’s why they were still looking.

My money is that one of the occupants shat themselves on the toilet when they realised how unsafe the coffin was. This caused the sub to nose dive to the bottom as the bog was situated upfront.

Inevitably, for ‘the likes’ probably. Very few people can do it, even going up Everest these days looks like you’re stood in a queue all the way up in order to get your selfie at the top. People doing stuff to put on social media.

Yeah that would be my guess too. I really can’t think of another reason.