Nigel! Farage!

Hmmm did look to see if he had a thread and couldn’t find one and he probably needs one now.

Here’s his new years message.

New Year Message

Just in case you missed it 🙂

I think it’s lacking in Spitfires.

Just in case you missed it ?

I did. What does he say that is of interest?

what is there to discuss about him?

Hopefully the circumstances of the hugely embarrassing incident that ends his political “career” permanently.

He’s looking back to the happy times under Winston Churchill when the the country was great and promising to make it great again.

Although he also seems to also be selling how we need a country like America to support as, I fear he has forgotten how we won 2 world wars and the World Cup.

If he’s truly harking back to Churchill, then his views on Islam, strikes, Jews, bribery, famine, the Irish, etc. aside, he was big on pointing out that road tax shouldn’t exist as it gave motorists the belief that they owned the roads. Maybe he can be an ally to the cyclist, like old Winston.

Other than that, I’m expecting more toadying.

Hopefully the circumstances of the hugely embarrassing incident that ends his political “career” permanently.

TBH I remember opening the Rishi thread thinking he was on his way out, look how well that went 🙂

Is this the thread where we post pictures of the contents of our toilet brush holder?

I did give it the !’s Of disdain 🙂

What’s happened? I really don’t want to Google him. Has someone leaked his sex tape?

All I know about Farage is that when I worked in Rotherham a few years ago everyone there worshipped him. Whatever we think on here he’s got millions of fans out there.

All I know about Farage is that when I worked in Rotherham a few years ago everyone there worshipped him. Whatever we think on here he’s got millions of fans out there.

Exactly. There’s a lot of people who all but worship him, who buy into his and his parties views and ideals, and who think between them the UK can be “saved” from what it is as a country.

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All I know about Farage is that when I worked in Rotherham a few years ago everyone there worshipped him. Whatever we think on here he’s got millions of fans out there.

You talked to everyone in Rotherham about Nigel Farage? What did your work involve?

Edit : I have just checked and Labour won Rotherham in the general election less than 6 months ago, as they have in all previous general elections since Nigel Farage first entered politics.

Nigel Farage’s party couldn’t win Rotherham even with the Tories not bothering to stand a candidate and giving them a clear run!

But yeah, they worship Nigel Farage

What’s happened?

Recent events across the Pond will bring him very much to the fore this year. He’s already had (another) endorsement from Musk in the last 24 hours; considering the prominence of Space Karen at the moment, and with the terrible scenes from yesterday, means that Farage will be trending high. He’ll do what he does best; capitalise on other people’s misfortune.

 I fear he has forgotten how we won 2 world wars and the World Cup.

was it a Great Britain team that won the world cup ? I can’t remember as only born in 1965

My OH’s dad voted reform last election. He’s a life long conservative despite frequent complaints about public services, nhs, police etc. We had some interesting chats over christmas.

He thinks we’re worse off due to immigration, especially the “millions” of illegal immigrants arriving every year and too much money handed to lazy scroungers.

I think it’s because of too much private finance involvement in public services, often funded through leveraged buyouts putting more and more debt onto the services until they go bankrupt and end up back in puiblic ownership at great expense.

I think the problem is I tell him various facts and figures, but his arguments are based on emotion and unfairness,  so we never agree.

I suspect most people agree with him and Reform may well win the next election or at least end up in coalition with conservatives

We need to make his name mud among the knuckle draggers.

A conspiracy theory I like to promote is that he is part of a muslamic sleeper cell paid for by Saudi Arabia.

The FACT the he  is responsible for ethnically cleansing White European Christians from the uk can not be argued with. It’s there in plain sight.

His real name is Nij Al Farage.

The evidence is compelling.

Do your own reserch bruv.

Nigel Farage’s party couldn’t win Rotherham even with the Tories not bothering to stand a candidate and giving them a clear run!

I have just checked again and Reform UK actually got less votes in Rotherham in July, despite the Tories giving them a clear run, than the Tories managed to get in 2019 when they were competing with the Brexit Party for the bigot vote.

I am actually surprised by the apparent low of support Nigel Farage gets in Rotherham.

and with the terrible scenes from yesterday

I loath a gammon more than most. Almost to an unhealthy level. But the horrific actions of a very very few could not be better conceived to promote the bile from the white far right. Farage must have indulged in some furious self pleasuring last night. The pieces keep falling into his lap.

My FiL is a prime example of a baby boomer of simple intellect and education with DM persuasion and now a Farage disciple. Mrs C tells me the family WhatsApp chat is predicably unpleasant this morning.

I think it’s lacking in Spitfires.

Ideally ones flown by Polish pilots.

but his arguments are based on emotion

This! (Also see Brexit.) Try reasoned debate and we will have a Reform government next.

He’s already had (another) endorsement from Musk in the last 24 hours;

Nigel’s face must be so far up in there that this

Is this the thread where we post pictures of the contents of our toilet brush holder?

Will probably be less shitty.

There’s a lot of people who all but worship him, who buy into his and his parties views and ideals, and who think between them the UK can be “saved” from what it is as a country.

Matt, if you live in a shitehole estate in a run down town/city on a low paid job, you may feel differently. We used to live in what people thought was a decent area, but when you lived there, it wasnt. Police were not interested in drug dealers openly selling on the street, burglaries werent even investigated, Councillors werent interested, rubbish was left out on the streets etc. And this was in a slightly better area than many lived in.
It’s only when you’ve experienced that for a number of years that you give up with conventional politics, why bother, they are doing nothing for you or your area, so try the alternative.
Luckily we got out of there before I killed someone, and now lead a decent relaxed life, just as it should be within a good community, but please dont dismiss people who have been lured to vote for the extreme Parties, it is their (mostly) social experience that has lead them to go toward the more extreme politics, as the mainstream Parties have let them down.

Can I be the first in this thread to describe him as a massive bellend

We need to make his name mud among the knuckle draggers.

That wouldnt help, as someone else will come along to fill the void. To change things you need to make the mainstream Parties do better, and appeal to the people who are tempted to vote for him, and other non-mainstream parties.
It is the main Parties who have caused this to happen, and they are doing nothing to stop it, in fact Labour have promoted Reforms hopes since they dropped the pensioner heating allowance, as those pensioners now think Labour are a bunch of shysters, and Nigel and his cohorts could treat them better.

You talked to everyone in Rotherham about Nigel Farage? What did your work involve?

Sorry I forgot that I have to state the absolutely obvious down to the tiniest detail in every post. I meant everyone at my place of work which is a company most on here will have heard of, with very public connections to a handful of high profile athletes.

I’ve had loads of shitty jobs in rough areas but it’s the first time I’ve done it since the dawn of smartphones. One 17 year old lad’s phone lock screen was a photshopped picture of Farage being knighted by the Queen. In the lunch room it was 60 minutes of Tommy Robinson videos and hate speech. I had to listen to people fantasize about what they’d like to do to the occupants of the mosque down the road. It was really extreme stuff. One particularly vocal, shotgun owning, colleague used to drive around with a Trump bobblehead on his dashboard. One of them also ordered a bunch of Trump bumper stickers from America and shared them out to much hilarity. Someone superglued one to my rear bumper which obviously cost a small fortune to fix.

I was a punching bag for verbal abuse all day long because they knew I wasn’t on side. I was a pussy and a snowflake and a commy and on and on etc.

Ask anyone why the love Tommy and Nigel so much and it’s always because “they tell it like it is”. They might not come out to vote but I personally know some individuals who were at the hotel riots.

(Edited for removal of depressing content. Happy new year everyone!)

Sorry I forgot that I have to state the absolutely obvious down to the tiniest detail in every post. I meant everyone at my place of work

Well okay everyone in Rotherham becomes everyone at your place of work so how many people are we talking about?

It’s not a question of the tiniest detail, your post suggested that everyone in Rotherham worships Nigel Farage. Even if it is half true, ie half the people in Rotherham worship Nigel Farage, don’t you find it strange that Reform UK didn’t win the seat in the general election less than 6 months ago?

It seems weird, wouldn’t you say?

Matt, if you live in a shitehole estate in a run down town/city on a low paid job, you may feel differently. We used to live in what people thought was a decent area, but when you lived there, it wasnt. Police were not interested in drug dealers openly selling on the street, burglaries werent even investigated, Councillors werent interested, rubbish was left out on the streets etc. And this was in a slightly better area than many lived in.
It’s only when you’ve experienced that for a number of years that you give up with conventional politics, why bother, they are doing nothing for you or your area, so try the alternative.
Luckily we got out of there before I killed someone, and now lead a decent relaxed life, just as it should be within a good community, but please dont dismiss people who have been lured to vote for the extreme Parties, it is their (mostly) social experience that has lead them to go toward the more extreme politics, as the mainstream Parties have let them down.

Whilst this may all be true, and is sad, a couple of points…..

Firstly – it was ever thus. Poor areas have always existed and felt comparatively neglected. In truth I think it’s more complicated than that – talking to friends in the police in a very mixed catchment, the resource in terms of police hours spent in the poor areas was massively (like 20 times massively) more than that spent on more affluent areas. Talking to friends in social services – exactly the same. It was just never enough. None of that means it’s acceptable, and never was. But society has not always turned to the alt right for solace.

Second – and more importantly – in the grand scheme of things the opinions of those in these areas do not really matter. You could hoover up every single vote that actually gets cast (and remember the lower voter turnout in such areas, that’s not that many) and you’d get nowhere near power. There simply are not enough constituencies made up of enough of those areas to get even close to governmental majority. It’s the opinions of those in the more leafy areas that will swing the direction of government.

Take my FiL as a case study of 1. He’s white, in a white lower middle class area. It is vanishingly unlikely he will see a ‘brown’ face on a day to day basis. He had a job all his life in an industry and time when it was a job for life. He has not worked for 16 years and neither have any of his friends. None of his known family members have struggled for work or suffered any ‘injustice’ because of ‘immigrants’. He lives on a nice clean street where the bins are emptied and there is no violence. Every aspect of his world could only be described as ‘comfortable’ and inconceivably more prosperous than the post war, pre NHS world he was born into. Yet the bile he spouts would make you believe that the world around him is crumbling and that there are immigrants on every street corner in his locality hell bent on taking his money, raping his wife and soiling the streets. It is people like him that Farage is mobilising and winding up into indignant fury. And it is millions of people like him that’ll trudge to the voting booths and put Farage into power.

Does that link take you to anything that NF may gain hits or income from?

Has Putin recalled Agent Farage to fight on the front lines for the motherland?

Keeping the issues aside about grooming gangs (that was handled terribly for the victims)

If the UK is not careful when trump and that idiot space warrior musk get fully behind him along with social media meddling from Russia and China he could very get into power.

The blame will fall on labour for not going after his lies and hate peddling supporters. And I hate to type it but the conservative party needs to sort it’s own house out and become a center right party again and get shot of the head bangers

Every aspect of his world could only be described as ‘comfortable’ and inconceivably more prosperous than the post war, pre NHS world he was born into. Yet the bile he spouts would make you believe that the world around him is crumbling and that there are immigrants on every street corner in his locality hell bent on taking his money, raping his wife and soiling the streets.

He sounds like all my grandparents, aunts, uncles, stepdad, mother-in-law, ex-colleagues. There’s millions of them out there and this is what they believe.

The blame will fall on labour for not going after his lies and hate peddling supporters. And I hate to type it but the conservative party needs to sort it’s own house out and become a center right party again and get shot of the head bangers

Yup I agree. The preferred way of dealing with Nigel Farage, ie to mostly ignore him, is highly unlikely to work.

Changing tact and exposing him as a fraud, a liar, and as someone with no solutions, should be relatively easy to do.

The problem is that won’t be enough (look at the United States and Donald Trump) Unless people are offered something genuinely different to the existing status quo they are likely to take a punt thinking they have nothing to lose.

And this is what I think is probably the insurmountable problem, neither Labour nor the Tories can do that so imo Reform UK will continue to thrive and we are very likely to see Reform UK government ministers post 2029.

The only party that could really challenge and shake up the status quo whilst offering hope is the Labour Party. But there is no evidence that under the present leadership Labour are prepared to deviate from the established consensus and offer a radical alternative.

In fact Starmer has gone out of his way to reassure Tory voters that they have nothing to fear from a Labour government, ironically.

He sounds like all my grandparents, aunts, uncles, stepdad, mother-in-law, ex-colleagues. There’s millions of them out there and this is what they believe.

The question is why. What do they think any government can/should deliver to comfortable people and more so why does Farage offerings do anything for them. He plays on the immigrant angle but why do they care about immigrants if they are not impacting their lives (other than positively by keeping many services going for them)? How would a Labour or any other government get them to see the light?

Does that link take you to anything that NF may gain hits or income from?

I’d done a share from a YouTube search so hopefully not 🙁

IMHO i think however distasteful we have to see what is being said and not get the Brexit scenario of where this stuff is being targeted and we are blissfully unaware of the lies being drip-fed continuously.

And this is what I think is probably the insurmountable problem, neither Labour nor the Tories can do that

Experience from Scotland says they can and doing so effects public opinion.  so much so that Farage in government would lead to a massive increase in support for independence.  He is a pariah here

The question is why. What do they think any government can/should deliver to comfortable people and more so why does Farage offerings do anything for them. He plays on the immigrant angle but why do they care about immigrants if they are not impacting their lives (other than positively by keeping many services going for them)?

They care because they have the luxury of nothing more important to worry about. Bin collections, parking on the street outside their house, “the country going to the dogs” (by which they mean immigrants mostly). That’s about the sum total of their petty lives.

I agree he is completely odious and a real threat to the country.  But to just dismiss him and his supporters as a bunch of fruitcakes is absolute folly.  Were it not for our perverse electoral system Reform would have been the 3rd biggest group in parliament based on votes cast. Bigger that then Lib Dem’s, and way bigger than the Greens. If we had a fair electoral system that many of us want he would be a serious player.

https://election2024.electoral-reform.org.uk/

If those as a group in society want to make him irrelevant there needs to be something a lot more substantial that’s assuming his supporters are all a bit  nuts

The scumbag will have his profile raised massively in the next 4 years.

I’m pretty certain Trump is going to treat him as de facto UK ambassador to the US and pretty much ignore Mandelson. And what could the UK do about that? Withdraw our diplomats? I hardly think so.

It is a move that is pretty much risk-free for Trump and will play bigly to his asshole voter base.

Unfortunately that **** Farage is going to become an even bigger problem than he already is.

Aviation safety is generally a good thing, but a certain incident in 2010 shows that there are exceptions to every rule.

The crazy, depressing thing is public school boy stockbroker not-at-all-man-of-the-people Farage and his billionaire boyfriends are the only popular alternative for people poor in money, education and hope for their future. The same affluent class that created, propped up, endlessly profit from and insist destructive society-eating hyper capitalism is the only way.

I don’t know how you counter that. I worry that in the long run only heads on pikes style revolution is the only catalyst that will produce change. So unnecessary, but if you can’t rely on the centre-left, who do occasionally achieve power in this country, to do the appropriate things with wealth distribution, media and power restrictions then there’s little hope.

Happy New Year!