I remember when music videos were little more than a couple of good looking kids dancing badly and miming the words to some trashy Stock Aitkin Waterman dross….

WOW.

I bet there have been cheaper wars than what it cost to make that.

I do like me a good Rammstein video.

They’re working hard to live up to the “Laibach for children” dig.

Well that was bizarre.

Deeper meaning

No, just gory gothic clichéd visuals, designed to appeal to your stereotypical heavy metal fans.

I tried, but it just seemed to be boring pretentious nonsense so I stopped.

Wow, quite nationalistic lyrics. I see this played over and over at NS get togethers.

While I like the band, I am very glad I don’t understand the lyrics.That video was ott,but aren’t they always?

[strong]iolo[/strong] wrote:

Wow, quite nationalistic lyrics. I see this played over and over at NS get togethers.

From what I can gather they are anti-nationalistic. More of a parody. However, that doesn’t stop them from being popular with the NS followers obviously. I guess the deeper meaning iun the lyrics is lost on them!

Seems like a typical Rammstein effort, they go out to shock, provoke discussion. Sonne, Pussy, Mein Land are all OTT but IMO are great tracks.

I like Rammstein, some may not, thus is life.

I was quite enjoying it till the dude started singing then it lost its appeal sadly.
Video must have cost an absolute fortune.

Same as Pigface seemed like a usual Rammstien video. I haven’t a clue what the lyrics are about but I like them.

Over the top excess? Why yes, it’s Rammstein, that’s essentially what they are.

While I like the band, I am very glad I don’t understand the lyrics.

Wow, quite nationalistic lyrics. I see this played over and over at NS get togethers.

You have cried a lot
In the mind apart
In the heart united
We have been together for a very long time
Your breath is cold
The heart in flames
You
I
Us
You (plural)

Germany
My heart in flames
Want to love you, want to damn you
Germany
Your breath is cold
So young
And yet so old
Germany

I
I never want to leave you
One can love you
And want to hate you
Overbearing
Superior
To take over
To surrender
Surprising
To assault
Germany, Germany over everyone

Germany
My heart in flames
Want to love you, want to damn you

Germany
Your breath is cold
So young
And yet so old
Germany

Germany
Your love is a curse and a blessing
Germany
My love I cannot give to you
Germany

Germany
You
I
Us
You (plural)

Superior
Needless
Übermenschen
Weary
The higher you climb, the farther you fall
Germany, Germany over everyone

Germany
My heart in flames
Want to love you, want to damn you

Germany
Your breath is cold
So young
And yet so old

Germany
Your love is a curse and a blessing
Germany
My love I cannot give to you
Germany

Not nationists at all, much less neo-nazi. A quick wiki would have dispelled you of that lazy notion.

The New York Times described Rammstein’s music as a “powerful strain of brutally intense rock… bringing gale-force music and spectacular theatrics together”.[82] The members have not been shy about courting controversy and have periodically attracted condemnation from morality campaigners. Till and Flake’s stage act earned them a night in jail in June 1999 after a liquid-ejecting dildo was used in a concert in Worcester, Massachusetts. Back home in Germany, the band has faced repeated accusations of fascist sympathies because of the dark and sometimes militaristic imagery of their videos and concerts, including the use of excerpts from the film Olympia by Leni Riefenstahl in the video for the Depeche Mode cover “Stripped”. MTV Germany studied the lyrics, talked to the band and came away satisfied that Rammstein are apolitical; Peter Ruppert, then head of Music Programming at MTV Germany, stated that the band “aren’t in any way connected with any right-wing activities”. Such criticism may be unavoidable for a German band that deals in harsh, militaristic-style imagery.[83]

Their cover of their debut album Herzeleid, released in Germany in 1995, showed the band members bare-chested in a style that resembled Strength Through Joy in the eyes of some critics, who accused the band of trying to sell themselves as “poster boys for the Master Race”.[84] Rammstein have vehemently denied this and said they want nothing to do with politics or supremacy of any kind. Lorenz, annoyed by the claim, has remarked it is just a photo, and should be understood as such. Herzeleid has since been given a different cover in North America, depicting the band members’ faces. The clip for the song “Amerika” shows people from different nationalities throughout the video and Rammstein members taking photographs with them at the end of the clip.

The song “Links 2-3-4” (Links being German for “left”) was written as a riposte to these claims. Kruspe said: “‘My heart beats on the left, two, three, four’. It’s simple. If you want to put us in a political category, we’re on the left side, and that’s the reason we made the song”.[85]

The song’s title refers to the refrain of the German Communist Party song Einheitsfrontlied, written by Bertholt Brecht: “Drum links, zwei, drei! Drum links, zwei, drei! / Wo dein Platz, Genosse ist! / Reih dich ein, in die Arbeitereinheitsfront / Weil du auch ein Arbeiter bist”.[86] (Then left, two, three! Then left, two, three! / Here’s the place, Comrade, for you! / So fall in with the Workers’ United Front / For you are a worker too.) Another key lyric expressing the band’s allegiance to the left paraphrases the titles of newspaper columns published side by side for several years in the German newspaper Bild: “Mein Herz schlägt links” (“My heart beats on the left”) by The Left Party co-chair and former Social Democratic Party of Germany chair Oskar Lafontaine, and “Mein Herz schlägt auf dem rechten Fleck” (“My heart beats in the right place”) by Peter Gauweiler of the conservative Christian Social Union.[87]

Lorenz stated that the song was created to show the band could write a harsh, evil, military-sounding song without being Nazis.[88]

This week I have been mostly listening to rammstein.

The start of the video was brilliant but then tailed off

I thought Rammstein was what the cool kids abbreviated Rogers And Hammerstein to.

Obviously not.

I watched right to the end expecting a new YT bike.

Is disappoint.

https://www.loudersound.com/features/we-got-an-oxford-university-professor-to-explain-what-the-****-going-on-in-that-rammstein-video

Rammstein live is pretty amazing.
The article above scratches the surface, but there is a lot more references going on. One that stood out to me, having had a couple of years in German schools was them using a mildly altered version of the dropped (after ze war) bit of the national anthem…
Deutschland, Deutschland über allen
Rather than Über alles…
It’s a wierd callback to make, bit I think a lot of their lyrics are pretty punny, you could squint a take this as a commentary about selfishness or greed, especially around the refugees.

I watched right to the end expecting a new YT bike.

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It fills my dancing shoes with wee. It thwarts my rockfist-pump. So what’s left? An expensive fashion-ad type vid with some vague ‘am I aren’t I?’ lyrics about German Nationalism?

To the OP question – I’m going with ‘B’. Bland camp.

Not nationists at all, much less neo-nazi. A quick wiki would have dispelled you of that lazy notion.

So you think the lines “Deutschland über allen” – Germany over everyone sung while hanging prisoners of war is ok?
If you wiki you can see the point they are trying to make – do you really think the right wing nutters will wiki the true meaning?

I saw Laibach in Germany ( the nephilim were supporting)

They had 2 Hitler youth type drummers at the front of the stage  and a back drop of a swastika made out of axes.

Whether they were being ironic I don’t know but ze Germans lapped it up.

We gave them half a song and we left.  A horrible experience.

Stereophonics played a huge gig at Morfa and one journo described it as a Nuremberg type rally as so many Welsh flags being flown.

I think Laibach defo flirted with Nazi symbolism a great deal which never felt right, aren’t they Slovenian?

Iolo – who cares what right wing nutters think? So far the only support I’ve ever heard for the theory that they are nazis are from people on the left who know nothing about them.

Anyone who knows who Rammstein are know full well they are OTT and dark but what they are not are neo nazis. If you want to go full DM on this then that’s your choice but don’t expect not to look silly in doing so.

Iolo – who cares what right wing nutters think?

I do.

I live in Austria. I am seeing right wing extremism becoming stronger here on a daily basis. The government is in coalition with a party that was founded by Nazis.
I work as a tour guide here and regularly do tours in Mauthausen. Please feel free to google it if you haven’t heard of it.
I am constantly hearing racist language being spoken on the train – even by teenagers – force fed this mentality by the media here.
Feel free to ridicule me but open your eyes. The world is becoming a bleak place. We are back in the interwar period.

Okay, perhaps a poor choice of words, but as a (presumably) fluent speaker I’m surprised you are glossing over the whole context.

It’s pretty easy to see that Rammstein aren’t glorifying nazism with Deutschland any more than the Dead Kennedys were with California Uber Alles.

https://www.thelocal.de/20190328/german-rockers-rammstein-slammed-for-dressing-up-as-holocaust-victims

Omg CONTEXT! FFS, its like talking to a wall.

Would you rather they just took the approach of the rest of the Axis states and instead just gloss over that whole period of history? Pretend it never happened? There is nothing glorious there but they are confronting their history, maybe if more people did that then the rise of the right wouldn’t be such a problem. Remembering the brutality of what happened rather than sugar coating it for Outraged of Osterreich.

Would you rather they just took the approach of the rest of the Axis states and instead just gloss over that whole period of history? Pretend it never happened? There is nothing glorious there but they are confronting their history, maybe if more people did that then the rise of the right wouldn’t be such a problem.

I work as a tour guide here and regularly do tours in Mauthausen.

If you’re ever in Austria, I’ll take you there. Walk you round and talk about the history of why and how it happened.
Maybe you might get why outraged of Osterreich sees it in a different view than you.