Manchester's Police doing what the Met are scared of doing!

craigxxl

I have not called for the cop to be punished and I do have a lot of sympathy with the cops – however that does not absolve him from the obligation to stay within the law.

Its the idiots on here that think a cop beating someone without any possible justification is reasonable that annoy me.

Beating someone who is not resisting nor any threat ( and you can tell that quite clealry from the vid – they let him get up on his own) is never justifiable. Understandable perhaps but never justifiable

Innocent until proven guilty

Just words that, you can be guilty of something without it being proven

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do you mean the criminal in the uniform

disgusts me.

Your attitude disgusts me.

oldgit – Member

Innocent until proven guilty

Just words that, you can be guilty of something without it being proven

Yes but you shouldn’t be punished until it’s proven beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law.

TJ – you’ll note that I have put forward my position without having to resort to insult. Pity you can’t manage this.

I’ll take the STW version of a beating rather than the one above.

peachos – Member
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“do you mean the criminal in the uniform”

disgusts me.

Are you saying police can’t be criminals? My sister was a CSO in Holburn and had stuff stolen from her locker, in the police station, on more than one occasion.

druidh

However yo won’t answer the question – do you think that beating is justifiable? the beaten youth is clearly not resisting nor is he any threat.

could have been the poor cleaner with no other opportunities in life

dam we failed her 🙄

TJ we are all making judgements to some extent as to what was going on, but the fact is that the scenario weights itself to those kids having been involved in some trouble.

FunkyDunc – Member
TJ we are all making judgements to some extent as to what was going on, but the fact is that the scenario weights itself to those kids having been involved in some trouble.

Balls it does.

funky dunc – and that justifies a beating?

Northernstar – check out the news, these thugs need to be off our streets. Innocent people have died and yet some are still defending the scum bags who are keeping good honest people out of their own towns.

When/how will the riots stop if the police don’t use force?

First of all, you don’t know whether he is a threat or not. The video contains but a moment in time and you’ve no idea what preceded it. You are quick to jump to the conclusion you want. And once again, anyone who doesn’t support your viewpoint is an idiot?

And you won’t answer the question – how are the number of police officers available supposed to deal with the widespread nature of the disturbances if they have to arrest everyone and process them at the station?

What video?

When/how will the riots stop if the police don’t use force?

Seems to have stopped in London, without resorting to random beatings of youths who look ‘dodgy’

oh man, TJ is gonna run and run with this. It’s gonna be one of those threads. And for that reason alone, I’m out!

of course coppers can be criminal, the bobies are just the same as the rest of us. soon someone will suggest that all nhs workers are saints, politicians are examples of leadership and virtue. All walks of life a reflection of the society we have created for ourselves, unfortunatley society at the moment is on a downward spiral as western civilisation implodes in some sort of law of the jungle.

Lifer – no that’s nothing like what I’m saying. In this instance, after everything what has gone on in our cities in the last few days, and from speculating about one small clip from which very little can be made out – calling someone, who is putting themselves at risk to help restore calm to our streets, a job which very few people on here and in the rest of society would envy, a criminal – is fricking RIDICULOUS and DISGUSTING.

that’s what i’m saying. and TJ, if that is the attitude that disgusts you, then i’m absolutely fine with that.

By acting within the law and in accordance with their training – which can involve dispersing people even forciably. There is no justification for the baton strikes on the youth on the ground

It is irrelevant what happened before – the beaten person does not resist or try to run away and is clearly no threat as the cops let him get up on his own.

As for insults you claimed that I said something yesterday that I did not and was really rather offensive. Frankly I found that insulting.

Kevevs – Member
oh man, TJ is gonna run and run with this. It’s gonna be one of those threads. And for that reason, I’m out!

Agreed.

TJ, go outside. Ride your bike. Have some fun.

Seems to have stopped in London, without resorting to random beatings of youths who look ‘dodgy’

It’s only taken 4 nights and £millions in damages, lost businesses/jobs and how much taxes to pay for it all. Best let all the rioters just carry on until there is nothing left to loot and destroy. Then we can wave a magic wand and make it better again and just hope that rioters have respect for law again or they just get bored again and go take what they want when the next must trainers and phones come out.

Whats all this about beating? Is it another thread about….

My wife counted 54 wrecked businesses on her walk across the town centre at lunch time.

Footage from last night showed scrotes moving rapidly on bikes from one looting to the next being chased by the Police. Perhaps in this instance they caught some.

Hopefully tonight if it happens again they will bust a few more heads.

Lifer, thanks for the larf! I wonder what these youths were doing late last night in central Manchester, on bikes and wearing hoods!

Clearly police brutality is a bad thing, but this isn’t the best example to use…

It will become widely accepted in coming days that the actions of the police (specifically the Met) have been restricted to the detriment of the wider law abiding citizenry. This restriction has mostly been caused through the public reaction towards unlawful actions of their own officers (Tomlinson, hundreds of deaths in custody etc). However, the apologists and knee jerk critics of the police on this thread (and elsewhere) need to consider whether the pendulum has swung to far in one direction, and simply led to a population of untouchables due to the hobbling of police action.

I find it hard to stomach that after 4 nights of rioting people will still expend effort trying to find examples of police brutality.

sefton – Member

just been told a gun shop & b&q has been turned over in Bolton – not sure how true though!

Well, just got back from Bolton centre and no sirens, no meltdown, no mobs ruling the streets.

The curry from Rice ‘n’ Three was a bit spicier than usual though.

…..is clearly not resisting nor is he any threat.

A beating will do that.

As for insults you claimed that I said something yesterday that I did not and was really rather offensive. Frankly I found that insulting.

why not go out in the street and smash things to make it all better!

interesting Dailywail article alert:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024308/Riots-2011-The-police-London-learn-Manchester-elsewhere.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Perhaps the actions of the cops in that video are beyond reasonable, but haven’t we maybe reached a point where the kid gloves need to come off? it’s interesting that the Turks in Dalton kept their area protected, armed with big sticks. The threat of a sound thrashing was enough to deter the rioters and looters. See also the Millwall firm protecting their streets and no one dared go near them.

I wouldn’t go out on a rampage because a) I know it’s wrong and b) I’m scared of the consequences. These mobs do know it’s wrong, but they don’t care, however they’re not scared of the consequences as there basically are none as far as they can tell. However they do appear to be scared of a sound thrashing from blokes with big sticks…

Whats all this about beating? Is it another thread about….

If I wasn’t on my smartphone, then it would probably be.

Eggs are just so much simpler than people.

Okay, my two cents.

Firstly, we have no idea what age the people on bikes are, so any ‘child abuse’ lines of argument are null and void, although even if they are minors, they appear highly likely to be above the age of criminal responsibility.

Secondly, there’s a lot of conjecture and assumptions being made. We don’t know what has happened leading up to or following this event.

Thirdly, an awful lot of fuss is being made about reasonable and appropriate force; this is very much dependant on the situation and certainly NOT for anyone here to decide. However if the force used stopped the individual from making an escape, allowed him to be neutralised as a threat towards the police and public and yet he was still able to get up unaided straight afterwards, it certainly seems fairly reasonable and appropriate to me, (and I suspect quite a few others).

Fourthly, arrested?? Seriously? Cells full, paperwork backing up, resources required to obtain a conviction… We expect our police officers to exercise judgment of this type every Friday and Saturday night, let alone at times of mass civil unrest, looting, rioting, naughtiness, whatever you want to call it. We don’t actually know whether Nyone was detained for sure, but I personally trust the officer’s intelligence led judgement as to whether it is necessary.

Good luck to my colleagues in all of the emergency services in dealing with these extremely difficult circumstances. Stay safe.

That wasn’t a beating anyway. I bet the liddle see you next tuesday gets far worse when his dad comes home pished from the boozer or when his mam catches him pinching money out her purse 🙂

To be honest the softly softly, hold their hand, human/civil rights approach does not seem to be working.

TJ what field of work are you in? From what you are saying you appear to be a do gooder who works with the scum of the earth and tries to help them out.

However thats isnt the view of many people I know who do with the scum of the earth who are just saying there is only one way of communicating with them. (in the present situation)

FunkyDunc – Member
TJ what field of work are you in? From what you are saying you appear to be a do gooder who works with the scum of the earth and tries to help them out.

That’s a pretty good description of his work on STW

funkydunc about to be pwnd….

😕

No come on, Im not trying to score points or any thing just understand TJ’s point of view 🙂