Is this racist ?

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  • Is this racist ?
  • Premier Icon Poopscoop
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    52% would say it isn’t racist, 48% would say it is.

    At a rough estimate based on some recent poll or something the government carried out.

    chip
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    52% would say it isn’t racist, 48% would say it is.

    At a rough estimate based on some recent poll or something the government carried out.

    Utter bollox

    Premier Icon jimdubleyou
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    I think this might be a Dutch thing.

    From the nation that still has “Black Pete” following Santa around?

    Nah…

    Premier Icon Poopscoop
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    chip – Member
    52% would say it isn’t racist, 48% would say it is.
    At a rough estimate based on some recent poll or something the government carried out.

    Utter bollox

    You make a strong argument but are you referring to the 48% or the 52%?

    chip
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    So no racists voted in and no non racists voted out.

    scotroutes
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    Is it racist to say that the Dutch are about the most racist folk I’ve ever met?

    Is this meta-racism?

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    chip – Member
    So no racists voted in and no non racists voted out.

    Chip, your so willing an argument to happen that just won’t.

    I posted what I thought was an obvious massive generalisation in a way I thought was pretty obviously just that. 🙂

    Premier Icon Poopscoop
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    The truth obviously being that it’s nearer 53% that are actually racist.

    Premier Icon Poopscoop
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    Yes, that’s tongue in cheek too. 🙂

    P.S. I’m just guessing you voted Leave, chip? I just get that vibe? 😉

    chip
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    No, there seems to be a lot of Brexit bleating around here it’s hard to know when people are being serious or not.

    Premier Icon Poopscoop
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    Brexit bleating is everywhere at the moment I’m afraid.

    So, yes,I do agree there. Sometimes find myself falling prey to it as you can see.

    Premier Icon aracer
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    Phill wrote:

    Just checking if it’s still wrong to call the Chinese takeaway the chinky even if you’re Chinese?

    You could try asking a mod…

    It’s a slippery slope

    alpin
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    . I would hope now that kids wouldn’t need to fight their way through childhood. That a teacher today is encouraging outdated and racist behaviour is beyond belief.
    [Sensible bit over]

    +1

    And with regards to the Dutch happy birthday song…. This coming from the culture that gave us apartheid in South Africa. I have the (dis?)pleasure of knowing several of Afrikaans families and some Germans that have been in SA for a considerable time and I would say that all of them are racist. Whether that is made racism or inherent I don’t know, but I find all of them unpleasant people to be around.

    kerley
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    Yes it is racist. The fact that the song has some dutch tradition has no bearing on it.

    BillMC
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    ‘LGBT+’ has a certain ring to it, bit like a little red sportscar.

    spursn17
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    singing the words “Hankey Pankey, Shanghai, Hankey panky, Shanghai” sang to the tune of happy birthday, whilst narrowing your eyes in a parody of a Chinaman

    Is it racist? Of course it is!

    It’s not about whether the person singing thinks it is or the intention, it’s about how the target of the mocking would perceive it.

    Premier Icon angeldust
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    Racist? Probably, and definitely has the potential to cause offence. Isn’t that reason enough to stop this sort of thing (through ridicule and education)? Doubt there was any malicious intent, but I imagine a teacher could be sacked for this if someone wanted to kick up a fuss. Not exactly a great example for kids. Teacher probably just doesn’t ‘get it’ (which is the polite version of ‘ignorant’).

    Same old turds on here denying there is any racial intent as a means to justify their old fashioned views – ‘I’ve always found it harmless and funny, why should I have to change’. Idiots :lol:.

    Premier Icon angeldust
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    I’ve not been in a school since the 1980’s and I though things had moved along a little bit.

    In London at least, you would not have got away with this in the 1980’s (believe me, I was there). In my multi-ethnic borough ‘baa baa black sheep’ was banned at one point! In some ways it was more sensitive than things are now.

    My experience was that racist kids got it from their racist parents. Most believed (or were taught) it was harmless, and as superior white Englishmen, we were entitled to belittle every other race! Some became enlightened, some (generally the thick ones it has to be said) grew up into racist adults.

    Imagine singing the words “Hankey Pankey, Shanghai, Hankey panky, Shanghai” sang to the tune of happy birthday, whilst narrowing your eyes in a parody of a Chinaman, and then imagine that your kids teacher is teaching the kids that.

    Hang on – are we imagining this, or did it actually happen? As in, really happen, not just a 6 year old saying they’d learnt it from a teacher?

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    Definitely the sort of story a 6yo would make up to cover them learning a racist song from their mates when they get called out on it.

    Did we establish whether the school concerned is a Dutch school, as it appears to be a uniquely Dutch thing to sing this given the google hits (one of which certainly suggests teaching of it is current in a Dutch primary school).

    5plusn8
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    I have no expertise in what is racist or not but I feel for you YAK and the issue here.

    Yak – Member 
    [Sensible answer time ] This sort of shit has no place nowadays. As a kid I used to come home from school in tears because of taunting. I used to wish I could be white. My dad realised the bother and taught me how to properly punch someone. After that I never hesitated and would hit immediately on provocation. I was in front of the teachers a lot because of this. But it was worth it to avoid that individual doing it again. Now this was bitd when attitudes were different. I would hope now that kids wouldn’t need to fight their way through childhood. That a teacher today is encouraging outdated and racist behaviour is beyond belief.
    [Sensible bit over]

    I wonder Yak how you would react if the kids who were arseholes to you at school found you, of their own volition, and apologised?

    natrix
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    Yes it is racist. The fact that the song has some dutch tradition has no bearing on it.

    My thoughts exactly

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    Has the teacher explained what “hanky panky” means?

    cranberry
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    It happened. My mate was shocked, asked my opinion – shocked, I posted it on here, not least because a few months ago I was told that the Dutch aren’t racist. From a big hitter who had visited for a weekend.

    Definitely the sort of story a 6yo would make up to cover them learning a racist song from their mates when they get called out on it.

    He wasn’t called out on it. His son started singing it to him, was asked where he learned it and said in school from the teacher.

    Once a kid said I can’t see the board and I said open your eyes then. Oops.

    He was the only Chinese student in my class.

    He shouted funnily that’s racist Sir.

    He had a sense of humour lol.

    I know I was Wong.

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    [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zkL91LzCMc[/video]

    elzorillo
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    Everything has the possibility to be offensive to someone.. the current desire to find offence in anything and everything is (in my obviously offensive post) pathetic beyond belief.

    antigee
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    thought it was the lyric from a gilbert and sullivan work then i remembered that was all about slant eyed nips

    bit worried about CFH’s questionnaire either that is a print problem or the ladies box has a chicken baster in situ

    I’ll get my coat….

    edit one of the ladies boxes…

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    the current desire to cause offence to anyone and everyone is pathetic beyond belief.

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    Cranberry wrote:

    He wasn’t called out on it. His son started singing it to him, was asked where he learned it and said in school from the teacher.

    Sorry – deliberate non-use of smiley – I thought it would be obvious that a 6yo would have no idea about being called out, and no idea that would be offensive (hence no ready made deflection story). Was taking the piss out of Terry Wrist’s post.

    Depends – was she handing out biscuits at the same time?

    Sorry – deliberate non-use of smiley – I thought it would be obvious that a 6yo would have no idea about being called out, and no idea that would be offensive (hence no ready made deflection story). Was taking the piss out of Terry Wrist’s post

    I’m not saying they’ve got a racist kid with a ready made excuse 🙄

    I’m just not sure a teacher would be teaching an obviously racist song in class. I don’t know how to break it to you but children aren’t always totally reliable when they’re telling you stuff. I had to let my Dad know that he was dead once, oldest kid (7)had been telling people his Grandad had died.

    MarkBrewer
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    Sounds like a bad teacher. Probably had a nasty moment in the supplies cupboard

    With somebody from China…

    I just had a look through a Chinese phone book. There’s so many Wing’s & Wong’s you have to be careful not to wing the wong number!

    Premier Icon angeldust
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    Same old turds

    Premier Icon aracer
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    Terry wrote:

    I’m just not sure a teacher would be teaching an obviously racist song in class. I don’t know how to break it to you but children aren’t always totally reliable when they’re telling you stuff. I had to let my Dad know that he was dead once, oldest kid (7)had been telling people his Grandad had died.

    Occam’s Razor – why would a 6yo tell their parents the teacher had taught it to them if they weren’t aware there is anything wrong with it? IME kids aren’t all that good at lying to their parents – I presume your kid wasn’t trying that on you 😉

    A quick google also gave this link http://www.24oranges.nl/2017/10/02/racist-stereotypes-of-chinese-used-in-classroom/ – so yes it does seem likely, as it appears the racism isn’t quite so obvious to the Dutch.

    andykirk
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    I have never understood why the term ‘slitty eyes’ or doing impressions of people who have ‘slitty eyes’ is in the least bit offensive. I wonder if the chinese do impressions of the big eyed white people? I hope so.

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    Really? Is blacking up offensive?

    gobuchul
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    I have never understood why the term ‘slitty eyes’ or doing impressions of people who have ‘slitty eyes’ is in the least bit offensive

    Can’t see any negative stereotypes in this image?

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