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  • Is there anything that annoys you about the bike industry?
  • kudos100
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    Whereas with mountain biking more often than not, you join a new group or meet soem people on the trail and the first thing they do is have a look at your fork and talk about how badly they need xt gearing or how badly they need an extra 20mm of travel etc.. Obviously not all mountain bikers are like this and i’m not painting everyone with the same brush but this is just in my experience going between the two.

    I agree and at the same time have been guilty of this at times! I think everyone likes a bit of a gossip about kit, but when it gets in the way of actually riding then you have to wonder what you are in it for.

    I know someone who knows every detail about every bit of new shiny kit and technology, but nothing about how to ride a bike……..

    My favorite people to ride with are the guys who use the kit as a tool, but couldn’t really give a toss about having the latest bit of shiny carbon non sense.

    A number of people have turned their noses up at the suggestion of going on a skills course with me, but will happily spend a few hundred quid on the latest bit of xtr.

    The thing is, this mentality is great for the industry, so why change?

    MrSalmon
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    What’s all this stuff about people having new kit and standards rammed down their throat? Do you have door to door salesmen pestering you about replacing your forks with tapered steerer ones or something?

    It’s no more rammed down your throat than a new phone or car or series of “I’m a Celebrity” is. If you’re buying, check out the new stuff. If you’re not, don’t.

    wrecker
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    It’s still bit of a pisser when you want a new frame and then find out your headset, bottom bracket, wheels, dropper post and QRs don’t fit.

    stilltortoise
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    I love reading about new kit, especially when I’m in the market for some. Does it make it easier or more enjoyable buying a bike? I think not. I’m overloaded with information when all I really want is to spend a day riding half a dozen bikes up and down some hills to find the one I like best. That in itself is much harder than I’d like it to be, with few demo days organised until Spring.

    I’m demo’ing a Bandit on Sunday. I can’t wait, but I don’t think for one minute I’ll be able to make any objective comparison to the Five I demo’d 2 weeks ago. It’ll be all about which makes me look a better rider 😉

    xiphon
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    Usual talking point when I meet other riders is either A ) the colour of the big bike, or B ) the age of the Patriot frame.

    kudos100 I’d never pay for a skills course either – what works for me, might not work for the coach. They assume their way is the best way (hence them trying to correct you). A good coach would walk away from the session learning an equal amount (therefore cancel out the ‘session cost’).

    kudos100
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    kudos100 I’d never pay for a skills course either – what works for me, might not work for the coach. They assume their way is the best way (hence them trying to correct you). A good coach would walk away from the session learning an equal amount (therefore cancel out the ‘session cost’).

    So what you are saying is you couldn’t possibly learn anything from a mtb coach?

    I’d jump at the chance to get some input from Neil Donoghue, Nico Vouilloz or Greg Minaar. Each to their own.

    Mackem
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    Hideously expensive forks that need servicing every few hours. (Fox, obviously)

    xiphon
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    If I was being ‘coached’ by someone, I’d hope they entered the session with an attitude they might learn something too – and perhaps there is a better/more efficient method than theirs (and possibly the person they’re coaching might show them).

    So I’d never pay for coaching – which is different to not learning anything.

    Sancho
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    lol at xiphon
    “I’d hope they entered the session with an attitude they might learn something too “

    Totally hilarious, this sums the average know it all mountain biker for me, totally split my sides at this. Totally perfect, love it, just love it.

    deanfbm
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    I dunno if xiphon is being serious or not, hope not.

    Just in case –

    If this is how you look in the air, you don’t need any help, do you 🙄

    tomhoward
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    So what you are saying is you couldn’t possibly learn anything from a mtb coach?

    I’d jump at the chance to get some input from Neil Donoghue, Nico Vouilloz or Greg Minaar. Each to their own.

    I’ve had coaching from Mr Donoghue, and it’s not a case of ‘my way is the best way’ they show you the fundemental skills (foot position, how to manual, bunnyhop) stuff that you are either doing right or wrong. Rather than ‘you need to hip to the left’…. if there is a couple of ways of doing things, they show you both. Improved my riding no end.

    chief9000
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    The huge mark ups on bicycle gear, be it bikes clothing or whatever. Then using marketing which implies that you are an idiot to justify the high prices.

    bwaarp
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    650b

    and what pussywillow said.

    xiphon
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    But if your foot position is fine, you can manual quite happily and bunnyhop?

    kudos100
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    If I was being ‘coached’ by someone, I’d hope they entered the session with an attitude they might learn something too – and perhaps there is a better/more efficient method than theirs (and possibly the person they’re coaching might show them).

    So I’d never pay for coaching – which is different to not learning anything.

    I’d like to think that the best coaches would always be learning from their students and vice versa. This was definitely my experience of having tennis coaching as a kid.

    That being said, thinking that I could do things better that guys who have raced downhill at the highest level is probably a bit far fetched.

    In most other sports coaching and lessons are part and parcel of learning to play to a decent standard. Tennis, swimming, football, rugby etc. Yes you can do it yourself but it will take 4 times as long.

    For some reason, cycling and running are two things that many seem to think that once you have learned how to do them, then that is pretty much the end of the learning process . Most learn to run and ride bikes as kids, but as adults many have some sort of ego problem about asking for help and think that shiny kit will make them a better rider.

    As people lap up the new shiny bits that industry spits out every year, we have more and more people with this years must have kit, but less in the way of bike skills.

    xiphon
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    That being said, thinking that I could do things better that guys who have raced downhill at the highest level is probably a bit far fetched.

    Why is it far fetched? You believe you think there is nothing you could offer someone of that ‘level’?

    bencooper
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    What annoys me about the bike industry? Customers 😉

    Really, not much or I wouldn’t do it, I certainly don’t do it for the money.

    wrecker
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    Why is it far fetched? You believe you think there is nothing you could offer someone of that ‘level’?

    A wine gum? 😀

    kudos100
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    Why is it far fetched? You believe you think there is nothing you could offer someone of that ‘level’?

    No I’m sure there is something I could offer, but when it comes to riding I’m pretty sure they would be able to offer me a lot more.

    This is how coaching works 😉

    I’m guessing you probably ride to a half decent standard, but try following someone who races elite DH and then tell me about how much you could teach them.

    root
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    I hear ya!

    We need an ex-bmx-now-mtb-refugees-trackworld

    I’ll tell you a little secret. You know the boys at school who knew every football player, result and and goal scorer, but couldn’t kick a ball to save themselves? Well most of them ride mountain bikes now they’ve all grown up

    haha love it, well put.

    xiphon
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    But try following someone who races elite DH and then tell me about how much you could teach them.

    Does that mean they’re also ‘elite’ in all cycle disciplines, and there is absolutely nothing from the other bikes I/you/whoever ride (road, bmx, trials, etc) they could learn?

    stilltortoise
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    In most other sports coaching and lessons are part and parcel of learning to play to a decent standard

    Is cycling really that different? I’ve done loads of sports over the years and coaching has come in all forms: from friends, from peers, from formal coaches. Is cycling any different? Just because a cyclist hasn’t paid for formal coaching doesn’t mean they aren’t still learning new skills. Or have I got rose-tinted spectacles on? 🙂

    toys19
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    Xiphon=TJ. Black is white, he thinks.

    stilltortoise
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    ^^^ 😆

    xiphon
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    No, black is black, and white is white. No confusion over here…

    Just find it quite amusing that people think others can’t learn off people – just ‘cos they’re elite racers…

    Blower
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    Hideously expensive forks that need servicing every few hours. (Fox, obviously)

    aye to that

    PimpmasterJazz
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    No, black is black, and white is white. No confusion over here…

    Is you saying that cuz I iz brown?

    Northwind
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    xiphon – Member

    kudos100 I’d never pay for a skills course either – what works for me, might not work for the coach. They assume their way is the best way (hence them trying to correct you).

    It’s a strange coincidence, isn’t it, that people that haven’t done a skills course often have misconceptions about how it works.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    Is you saying that cuz I iz brown ginger?

    FTFY. 😉

    kudos100
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    Does that mean they’re also ‘elite’ in all cycle disciplines, and there is absolutely nothing from the other bikes I/you/whoever ride (road, bmx, trials, etc) they could learn?

    Jesus man, get over yourself. You are not elite at any form of cycling and I can bet that the likes of Nico vouilloz would probably be better at unicycling than you.

    What the hell am I doing? Debating with someone who thinks they can teach Greg Minnar?!? I’m out…….

    buzz-lightyear
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    Why not design a frame to run full outers? a few do it but most don’t and end up getting the lugs dremelled on every bike you own. Why on earth would you want to run split outer cabling? Unless you enjoy rubbish shifting and renewing cabling!

    Onzadog
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    Delivery dates. Ordered some tyres from wiggle in December and was told they’d be in stock late December, then January. Now they’re saying no known date. Are you telling me continential don’t plan production better than that? Not exactly JIT is it!

    big_n_daft
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    “Lifetime of the first owner” warranty’s that simply put, aren’t

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