It saddens me that I don’t really want to vote for any of the current party’s. If you started a new party what would you stand for?

I want honesty and integrity, not promising the world, knowing it undeliverable.
Sadly the selfish public would never vote for the truth.

If you started a new party what would you stand for?

Would be very similar to the current Labour party would a bit more left wing.

Guessing that wouldn’t provide you with a new party to vote for…

Policy one – join a large trading and political union with a large group of like minded countries, perhaps located near by.
Two – Well funded health and education provided free to ensure that people can achieve their potential
Three – Ban Trump

Direct representation.

Each MP of the party has to poll his constituents on every vote in parliament. If there is no consensus or quorum they get to vote with their conscience.

It’ll never work, but it’s a fun idea…

Policy one – join a large trading and political union with a large group of like minded countries, perhaps located near by.
Two – Well funded health and education provided free to ensure that people can achieve their potential
Three – Ban Trump

If only there were already a party that had these policies…….

TBH I’m sure there is a party for everyone these days, what there isn’t always is a party for everyone with a chance in hell of winning a seat let alone forming a Government.

If you’re left-leaning and pro-EU then the Lib Dems are probably your best choice, unless you live in Scotland or Wales when SNP or Plaid would be, although they’re both pretty keen on leaving the UK and becoming independent countries within the EU.

Sadly the selfish public would never vote for the truth.

I’m not sure that contempt for the general public is the best starting point for a ‘people’s party’

However there IS a party for people who hate the plebs… 😉

It saddens me that I don’t really want to vote for any of the current party’s.

You know what saddens me?

If only there were already a party that had these policies…….

Indeed, and I’ve just voted for them

Each MP of the party has to poll his constituents on every vote in parliament. If there is no consensus or quorum they get to vote with their conscience.

It’ll never work, but it’s a fun idea…

Thanks chr1st, because it’s a stupid idea.

Each MP of the party has to poll his constituents on every vote in parliament. If there is no consensus or quorum they get to vote with their conscience.
It’ll never work, but it’s a fun idea…

Looked what happened when they thought it was a good idea to ask the public at large if they wanted out of Europe??!

Thanks chr1st, because it’s a stupid idea.

I don’t know if its more stupid than the current situation though which is more akin to just manipulating and then taking populist ideas… and playing them back as “what the people want” … and ignoring the actual consequences or not actually ever intending do do them but simply let populist opinion change again.

I don’t think Trump has any intention of ever finishing a wall… he’ll just start saying how it will cost more in tax .. and the idea will fade away.. he’s elected… so what’s he care…

It would certainly be chaos initially… and probably (almost certainly) continue as such but a small part of me wonders if people might actually start taking responsibility… ?

Let’s have a vote on increasing everyone’s salary by 10% … I’m sure it would be popular… of course it may have consequences…

What’s wrong with the current parties?

Jezza’s been busy creating the best manifesto we’ve seen for decades, all that hard work and you’re still not satisfied?

I don’t know if its more stupid than the current situation though

It is, but the current system is also well shit.

Chapaking – Labours manifesto sounds lovely – who’s paying for it? We are still expanding the national debt in this alleged “austerity” period. I want our country to live within its means. I never thought I’d say this, being ex-RAF, but we need to scrap Trident and realise our small place in the world.

Just vote labour you plebs!

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Chapaking – Labours manifesto sounds lovely – who’s paying for it?

It did actually get costed, The tory one didn’t and I think there was a large cross section of economists signed up to support the Labour one.

I keep thinking, does it matter if we can’t afford all of it? We can still afford some of it, surely, so are we not better off going in that direction, doing things a little bit at a time if we can’t do it all in one go?

Jezza’s been busy creating the best manifesto we’ve seen for decades

Labours manifesto sounds lovely – who’s paying for it?

I largely agree on both points. They should have had the balls to go with the Lib Dem’s 1p on every payers income tax, (which still excludes 40% of the working population who are below the threshold) rather than a moderate increase on the top 2%. I think there will be too much minimisation from their plan to raise the income costed in the manifesto.

What we could do with is one left wing party, instead of the three we have now. The right are always more likely to win if their vote is all heaped on the Conservatives while the larger left vote is split between Labour, Lib Dem and Green.

Yep, we either need fewer left-wing parties or a more broadly respresentative electoral system.

And there are five now, don’t forget the SNP & PC.

Maybe Corbyn could of tried to have set up a “Travelling Wilburys” supergroup, the “Best of Left” or similar.

Kit out Diane Abbott and bring in Caroline Lucas etc, tried to agree a manifesto and the best of the rest vs Tories, now i would of liked to have seen that fight.

If you were ex navy maybe – I didn’t think crabs had been in favour of the nuclear deterrent since they stopped dropping it from aircraft 😉

Voting for what your constituents want is the whole point of democracy surely We have to many people for each to vote on every issue so we have a representative, Their duty is to voice our opinions not follow the party line. That is the whole point of our system
Agreed it might get a bit bulky! Lots going on to vote for, but as we already assume that the computer is god it won’t be long before we vote on line and then we can easily vote on several issues a day.

I think the fact that we have 3 left wing parties proves that the principle is inherently weak. The idea of socialism is unity yet there are too many versions.

I’d like a science party.
No opinions allowed. Just nerds.

There is some sort of argument that as we are now able to connect much easier the current system is flawed and out of date.

Invented to work when you would send your elected representative off to London on a horse.

Not sure what is a better idea yet though…

Kit out Diane Abbott

Kit her out with what?

Ready for the revolution.

…but yes… I think a lot of people very disillusioned with it all.

Chapaking – Labours manifesto sounds lovely – who’s paying for it? We are still expanding the national debt in this alleged “austerity” period. I want our country to live within its means. I never thought I’d say this, being ex-RAF, but we need to scrap Trident and realise our small place in the world.

Well i’m afraid even Trident won’t make a dent in the cost of JC’s manifesto. The total cost of Trident over its entire 30 year lifespan is not that much more than one years budget for the NHS. Anyway Trident is part of a multi-national defence system. Don’t we have responsibilities to work with our Allies? Especially in light of a Russia that is looking ever more unstable and threatening, a North Korea with an intercontinental nuclear missile capability, Iran with an intercontinental nuclear missile capability. Or do we just want to check out and leave it for others to step in an protect us if ever needed?

We don’t have a small place in the world. British diplomacy is still well respected and often acts in concert with our other allies to strengthen the whole of the west’s position. We punch above our weight, and I can’t believe people want to throw that away for no good reason whatsoever. There are other nations who would give their right arms to have our position on the world stage and enjoy the power and influence we do. Only in small thinking Britain would we want to make things more difficult for ourselves. We’re definitely in the Premier League, maybe mid-table, but its a damn sight better than being in the Championship or lower.

Austerity doesn’t and won’t tackle the national debt. It tackles the national deficit, which has been slashed by 2/3, so it is working. It is not until it is completely cleared and we start running a surplus (like Germany – the only viable economy in Europe) will we start the process of paying down our national debt. I’ve no problem in having a national debt, but having a national debt AND a £50bn a year deficit is ridiculous. We’re committing ourselves to a national debt that will grow forever and which we can barely afford even with near interest free borrowing rates. Imagine if interest rates started to rise. We’d be bust.

My party would be Green at it’s core, but commercially sensible and pragmatic, it’s no good having radical views if you don’t get into power to instigate them.

I’d like to see a global scale of wage and wealth, i see no reason why one of our species should be so very very much richer than another. i can understand the need for success to drive human nature but there needs to be a ceiling. How much is one mans labour worth over another? 10 times? 100 Times? surely not 1000 times.

And these days, we need a new methodology something different from global capitalism and the relentless drive for profit and shareholder benefit, a form of commu-capitalism with quality of life as it’s ultimate goal, worldwide.

Yes I’m a stupid idealist. Maybe I should join the damned Greens and try and talk some sense into them.

But fundamentally we have got to stop **** up the Planet, we know enough now not to, the key is to stop making it profitable to do.

Corbyn has loads of “I’m a nice guy” positive stuff for the working class in the manifesto, but the figures don’t entirely add up, especially with vague vast sums predicted to raise from businesses by hitting them for six in the tax department. Not at all accounting for the high likelyhood that a lot of jobs will go, companies won’t invest, foreign companies may pull out of the UK and the economy is going to be screwed. Borrowing will go up massively and we’re back in the mess the last Labour gov put us in.

He’s feeding the “he cares for the people / poor” (judging by my mostly lefty social media friends who portray him as the new Messiah), while his proposals will screw over the country and economy meaning there won’t be any money to do what he’s proposing.

But not to worry, all the evil corporates will be gone as he’ll nationalise everything (does anyone actually remember how shit nationalised industry and infrastructure was in the 70s?).

Thing is, I actually like the guy in that he is “a nice guy” and has principles that are good. But he has principles also that I just plain can’t agree with. He’s a hard core lefty socialist/communist (if he had his way). He’s also anti-monarchy and firm pacifist. Yes he’ll keep Trident, but that’s because it’s a big unionised job opportunity, and he would never push the button. He’ll probably re-open coal mines also, but not actually do anything with the coal. Just to ensure coal miners can have jobs again, paid by the state.

Democracy in the 21st Century

I’d settle for some sort of proportional representation, rather than this first past the post mess.

Rather like last year’s referendum, the one in 2011 regarding a voting method tried to over-simplify a complex matter.

The government should just have a Facebook page where everyone posts ideas and the most likes get enacted.

Two things leap out at me as being most “broken” with the current system.

The first and worst is the media. With so many people blindly voting in line with what they’re told by a red top rag, we’re never going to be able to move forward.

The second us that we don’t actually have a democracy. Was it Tweed who said that he didn’t care who the electorate were so long as he got to pick the nominees.

Is it time for a people’s party?

Yep. I’ll bring some jelly vodka shots I made at home, and 12 Stellas.