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  • is buying a diesel car a wrong choice?
  • Premier Icon ton
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    need a new car, want a new vehicle to take 2 bikes.
    found a very nice condition low mileage suitable vehicle.
    but, it is diesel.
    not really a greenie, but i think i do my bit by cycling everywhere.

    good or bad?

    As long as it’s a Skoda you’re fine.

    Premier Icon bearnecessities
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    If you don’t decide on a car soon I’m going to bloody well buy one for you.

    Premier Icon SaxonRider
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    Fine.

    Unless it’s an older diesel, it’s not like it’s going to get scrapped. Which means that, until they’re pulled off the road, we might as well drive them responsibly.

    At least that’s what I told myself when I bought ‘a very nice condition low mileage suitable vehicle’ just before Christmas.

    mattyfez
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    Depends..if you do a lot of miles it could make sense, but diesels command a higher price, can be finicky if not doing a lot of miles, and will probably get taxed heavier in future.

    So you need to do the maths really.

    I think it would depend on your intended use. If you’re going to be pootling about town, I personally would avoid a diesel if I had the choice.

    But for up and down the motorway, crack on.

    Premier Icon ton
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    If you don’t decide on a car soon I’m going to bloody well buy one for you.

    lol……..have you ever tried buying a car to suit a 5ft lady and a 6ft 4” gorilla?
    it is not a easy task.

    Premier Icon v8ninety
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    ‘Tend’ to get much better mileage than equivalent petrols (YMMliterallyV). But also kill more baby robins and children’s faces, as well as caring more and being more complicated than their petrol counterparts. Pays your money and takes your choice. I reckon for anything over 12k miles a year, they are a no brainer. Someone will be along in a minute to disagree…

    Edukator
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    Depends on whether you have any respect for the health of your fellow citizens. Diesels now have particle filters that only stop the big particles and let the most dangerous fine stuff though.

    France used to be the home of the diesel but new sales have just dropped below 50%. The health message is getting through, the bans on even quite recent diesel in Paris hurting pockets, and which would you honestly rather drive?

    1 shed
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    Buy a Berlingo and be done with it. Fit you and your bikes. 5’1″ wife’s daily drive. Handles like a barge though.

    Premier Icon ton
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    tried a berlingo multispace today……far too small
    tried a kia soul, ace driving space, crap tiny boot
    tried a skoda yeti, good allround, but too pricy

    1 shed
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    Ok if the Berlingo is to small try a Mercedes estate auto and waft around that’s what I chose lovely place to be in.

    Premier Icon vondally
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    Ton , what will be annual mileage? What is a daily trip like? Is it 2 miles or 70 miles?

    parkesie
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    Skoda roomster worth a look.

    Premier Icon ton
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    looked at a romster….no thanks.
    mileage is a about 10k tops. some long trips though.

    Premier Icon vondally
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    I would go petrol, the mileage does not warrant diesel, mpg on petrol is far better now, no complex dpf to mess around with nor go wrong.

    Honda civic? Lots of room with the rear seats down.
    Seat Altea…Lots of room nice to drive but everything that could go wrong did…It was diesel.
    Audi 4 estate…?

    CountZero
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    When it comes time to replace the old Octavia, I’ll probably go petrol, mainly because of low-mileage issues with DPF’s and such like, I avoid using the car for short runs as much as possible now, because of the turbo clogging up and it going into limp-mode; talk of cities like Bristol clamping down on diesels entering the city don’t help, because I drive into the centre for gigs, there being no practical public transport alternative.

    allthepies
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    vondally wrote:

    I would go petrol, the mileage does not warrant diesel, mpg on petrol is far better now, no complex dpf to mess around with nor go wrong.

    This, 10k mileage, get a petrol.

    bear-uk
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    If its only a shopping trolley then dont bother. If its going to get used so its gets warm then all’s ok. Just drive it hard in Sports mode and it will be no bother.

    Edukator
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    Just drive it hard in Sports mode and it will be no bother.

    Or buy a petrol and bumble around happily without being an anti-social… .

    Premier Icon ton
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    How long before Leeds brings in its ban on polluting vehicles ?

    about the same length of time it takes to get the super tram running…….. 😆

    car wont be used for short daily driving…i cycle everywhere. it will be used to travel the length of the uk and europe, so we can cycle tour further afield.

    spw3
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    Birmingham are going to be charging diesel drivers to enter the city. This is how it will start. I think it is time to get out of diesel engines in favour of efficient modern petrols or electric.

    Unless you don’t need to drive into city centres, in which case wait a year and take your pick of cheap diesels being off-loaded by people regretting their previous choice.

    I was considering buying a new car recently and have always liked/had diesels but it is becoming increasingly obvious that they are being singled out so I wouldn’t like to spend a lot of money on one ( I will probably keep mine as I don’t really need a new one). I would either buy a cheap diesel or a petrol as I think diesels could be taxed off the road in the future.

    Premier Icon Daffy
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    How about a Citroen DS5? Lovely place to be, great choice of engines and fairly cheap at a year old.

    Premier Icon vondally
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    car wont be used for short daily driving…i cycle everywhere. it will be used to travel the length of the uk and europe, so we can cycle tour further afield.

    Petrol not diesel.

    jet26
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    May be wrong but there seems to be lots of chatter in the press about diesel restrictions in cities and significant rises in charges for having them – can’t imagine that will happen quickly but how long you planning on keeping the car?

    If they really do start banning diesels from city centres then the shit really will hit the fan . Virtually every lorry or delivery van is diesel and when did the petrol engine become environmentally friendly anyhow ?

    If they really do start banning diesels from city centres then the shit really will hit the fan . Virtually every lorry or delivery van is diesel

    I would imagine they would get round that by banning/ taxing private cars that were diesels to start with

    I’d stick to a diesel. I can’t be arsed changing plugs, points, condensers, rotor arms & distributor caps when they conk out, not to mention setting the dwell angle!

    Premier Icon ton
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    Jim…….great minds old cock. purchase made, pick it up next saturday.

    Jim…….great minds old cock. purchase made, pick it up next saturday.

    Mint! Picking ours up on Thursday!

    stumpy01
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    ton – Member
    If you don’t decide on a car soon I’m going to bloody well buy one for you.
    lol……..have you ever tried buying a car to suit a 5ft lady and a 6ft 4” gorilla?

    My in-laws are 5′ and 6′ 7″ tall.
    They have a Kia C’eed which suits them fine, is fairly well specked and been completely reliable for the 3 years they’ve had it…

    Premier Icon Denis99
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    I recently sold our Skoda Fabia diesel.

    Simply not driving enough miles, if you are driving say 15,000 per year, then not too bad a choice (ignoring the impact on the environment).

    Nearly bought a petrol engined car with a proper cam chain, to stop all the issues around dpf, DMF etc.

    Electric car fits the bill for us, but won’t suit everyone if their driving habits require frequent charging etc.

    Wouldn’t entertain a diesel engined car again, mainly on environmental issues.

    MarkBrewer
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    I’ve just changed my car and bought another diesel, I do 20k + a year so had to be diesel really as mpg was top of my priorities.

    I always buy older ones as they’re more reliable with none of that Dpf rubbish to go wrong, not really a fan of cars built in the last 10 years as nearly everything is a potentially big garage bill as nothing is built to last anymore.

    I do 20k miles a year but it’s all twisty country lanes. My current Ford Kuga diesel has already cost me £800+ in DPF issues. Mileage alone is not the only thing you need to consider- it’s the nature of the journey. If you’re on motorway for at least 30mins a month at constant 2k rpm then diesel is ok.

    Seriously considering a petrol Kuga as my next car (yes I need a big car, the clue is in the username)

    Premier Icon Daffy
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    esselgruntfuttock – Member
    I’d stick to a diesel. I can’t be arsed changing plugs, points, condensers, rotor arms & distributor caps when they conk out, not to mention setting the dwell angle

    I’m hoping this was tongue in cheek as other than the plugs, none of these are present in a modern car.

    Premier Icon Kryton57
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    I do 20k miles a year but it’s all twisty country lanes. My current Ford Kuga diesel has already cost me £800+ in DPF issues. Mileage alone is not the only thing you need to consider- it’s the nature of the journey. If you’re on motorway for at least 30mins a month at constant 2k rpm then diesel is ok.

    Maybe luck of the draw but approaching 10 years of school runs with once a month m/way and no issues here with our Kuga.

    kjcc25
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    I don’t think anyone has mentioned Adblue yet. Don’t all new diesels with Euro6 engines use Adblue? The recent reports regarding diesel cars producing more pollution than buses and wagons is because buses and wagons have been using Adblue for sometime. Any Adblue experts on here know how effective it is?

    Premier Icon Flaperon
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    Depends on whether you have any respect for the health of your fellow citizens. Diesels now have particle filters that only stop the big particles and let the most dangerous fine stuff though.

    Caution, troll alert.

    All cars produce NOx. All cars produce particulate emissions. Historically diesel cars produced way more than petrol vehicles but Euro 6 standards actually require both engines to meet the same restrictions. In some respects this helps swing the balance in favour of petrol engines because it has a significant impact on diesel fuel economy.

    The reality is that the pollution in London is more to do with vast amounts of slow moving traffic as opposed to one particular type of engine. Most of the black cabs in London are ancient.

    It won’t be fixed until all vehicles are banned from major cities.

    Premier Icon nickjb
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    It won’t be fixed until all vehicles are banned from major cities.

    I think we are more likely to see a diesel vehicle ban than a total ban any time soon. E.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38170794

    Premier Icon ransos
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    Flaperon, that’s total nonsense. Diesel cars, even Euro 6, are way worse for NOx than petrol. Plenty of research done to show this.

    jolmes
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    Just got a new diesel, we do around 15-18k a year but its mainly weekend trips away. Doesn’t get used during the week at all…

    Premier Icon isto
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    I am in a similar situation to the Op’s.

    My take on this so far is that (generally) diesel engines produce a lot more Nitrous Oxides than petrol engines. A lot of the statistics used to highlight the difference in the amount of NOX produced do not take into account that diesel engines are on average bigger and that newer diesel engines that use AdBlue technology are closing this gap significantly.

    On the flip side of this, petrol cars (generally) produce more Carbon Dioxides than their diesel counterparts but this gap is also now closing with the introduction of smaller petrol engines that are lighter and are more economical.

    So when it comes to looking for a new car I should be looking to either choose a newer diesel engine or a smaller petrol engine that is as economical as possible. Regardless of the number of miles covered, is this not the best way to go?

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