How many refugees should a country take?

Acouple of weekends ago, I met a Syrian refugee with his daughter and wife in Bangkok, just on the outskirts near our house at a shopping mall killing time.

Nice family, they came to Thailand, overstayed their visa and have remained behind. The area they are in is relatively safe from immigration police, and has a mixed population of Indians/Pakistani/Bangaldeshi/Arabs who stay in and around that area for one of the small universities.

He gets by on his savings, and stays with his sister here. Has done for more than a year.

I understand that the EU is debating this week what to do, how to split them up cross countries – is that as simple aS IT SOUNDS?\

Some of the comments that I have seen read as if the Balkland countries should be accepting them all due to the West accepting refugees during the war there – almost like a real life version of the moviee – Pay it forward.

Why is it only 120,000 refugees? Surely there is a considerable number more who are trying to leave?

Does America, Canada or Australia take in many refugees?

Apologies now for any sounding ignorant here, I only get to see the news and newspapers, and fortunately/unfortunately depending on how you look at it don;t have colleauges who want to talk about it

“Does America, Canada or Australia take in many refugees?”

I don’t know about those countries, but Japan has a quota of 3 per year. It was originally 1, but people complained so they lifted it by 300%.

Quotas need to be based on the economic ability of the country and some sort of link to population density. I’m no expert on how to make it actually work.

Ideally, of course, we need to find a way to help these people stay/return to their home countries and rebuild their lives and nations. No idea how to enable that to happen either!

Apologies now for any sounding ignorant here, I only get to see the news and newspapers, and fortunately/unfortunately depending on how you look at it don;t have colleauges who want to talk about it.

You won’t sound ignorant by asking questions.
It’s people offering solutions you need to be wary of.

10, 11, 12??
13?

Ok I give up, how many?

More than the UK’s currently agreed to for sure. Ideally Syrian refugees would be issued 5 year visas and expected to return to Syria after that time if conditions were safe to do so. Although if Syria goes anything like Libya maybe they’ll need 20 year visas…

Issuing 5, 10 or even 20year visa will not make any difference. Whether they are migrants or refugees, the vast majority would not want to go back to their 3rd world countries once the troubles are sorted … and who could blame them.
Its a very complicated problem. One that Germany made a lot worse by initially accepting all of those making the journey north. It only encouraged more to follow.
As we are seeing now – those southern european countries are struggling to cope – Austria too is panicking.
Whats going to happen when they finally all reach Germany?
Thats the problem we will be seeing very shortly.

If the refugees and migrants are all allowed to settle in northern europe, then next year, there will be an even bigger migration north.

If I was forced to leave my country due to the effects of a war, I’d be planning to return – eventually, but sooner the better. What makes Syrians any different?

Quirrel – Member
Acouple of weekends ago, I met a Syrian refugee with his daughter and wife in Bangkok, just on the outskirts near our house at a shopping mall killing time.

Nice family, they came to Thailand, overstayed their visa and have remained behind. The area they are in is relatively safe from immigration police, and has a mixed population of Indians/Pakistani/Bangaldeshi/Arabs who stay in and around that area for one of the small universities.

Thailand have been taking refugee since WWII both from the North (several millions of retreating KMT army from China) and from the South (communist from Malaysia) not to mention other Indochina countries like Loas/Cambodia/Vietnam etc but what they do not like is the immigrants trying to impose their religious belief on them and to criticise the King … if they can refrain from imposing their religious belief then Thailand will accommodate them and let them carry on life as usual by giving them refugee status or even live there forever. However, if they (anyone and everyone) intend to impose Abrahamic faith on them or try to demand this or that then they will kick you out regardless …

As for Germany that old lady Angela whatever has opened the flood gate. Yes, she has done a good thing for herself and her profile but she has also created a lot of problems for the society (Germany & EU etc). The situation will not impact on her because she has no family or children nor is she going to live forever. The people who will suffer from her vanity action are those who have to live with her immediate action. In the far east they call her stoopid selfish barren old lady who ignore the long term consequences of her action by trying to impose on all EU nations or even the world.

scotroutes – Member
If I was forced to leave my country due to the effects of a war, I’d be planning to return – eventually, but sooner the better. What makes Syrians any different?

You are not Syrian.

You are describing the ideal situation. If I were Syrian I would rather not go home because there is nothing to go home to anymore. It would take at least two generations to rebuild the country and that does not guarantee anything.

No “should ” about it. “Want” is the word.

I have a question – what makes everyone think that refugees are skint?

wanmankylung – Member
I have a question – what makes everyone think that refugees are skint

Are their currency still worth anything? Especially those from war torn regions.

Do they have £200k? If not then majority of them are skint. £200k will legally entitle anyone to stay in UK (or other part of the world easy) for sometime and if they are successful they can stay here forever. Other developed nations have similar rules but currency exchange might make the value different that’s all.

Edit: if the Syrians apply for refugee status in Malaysia they will be welcomed with open arms …

The vatican state,is taking 2 families and the church of england is taking one family, every little helps.

Pathetic responce from two large property owners.

project – Member

The vatican state,is taking 2 families and the church of england is taking one family, every little helps.

Pathetic responce from two large property owners.

How many do you intend to take yourself without involving public purse?

If you do not intend to take any then by comparison to Vatican & CoE then they have done one better than you so what’s your beef?

scotroutes – Member
If I was forced to leave my country due to the effects of a war, I’d be planning to return – eventually, but sooner the better. What makes Syrians any different?

Because even before the war in their country it was far from a great place to live for the majority of people.
To go back, and scrape a life in a country that would have hardly any infrastructure left … or stay in a country that offers a lot more than what could be rebuilt in their home country within a generation or two at least …

Just as you ask why I think Syrian refugees would think different to you in their situation – I would like to know why you think they would think the same as you?

mooman – Member
To go back, and scrape a life in a country that would have hardly any infrastructure left … or stay in a country that offers a lot more than what could be rebuilt in their home country within a generation or two at least …

Some will go back if they can earn a good living especially if they are awarded the contract(s) to rebuild the country … I would. (media will focus on these lots only but true story usually is not told) But then I would have one foot in another country as well just in case situation went tits up again …

Political repression aside (a big “aside” I know), Syria wasn’t exactly a backward third world nation before the troubles started.

The other problem is that it is the young, the well off and the well educated who have the best chance of a future if they leave – doesn’t leave much hope for the less fortunate left behind.

As many are prepared to renounce religion.

If they were atheists, a couple of hundred thousand. Many of them are educated anyway.

loddrik – Member

As many are prepared to renounce religion.

If they were atheists, a couple of hundred thousand. Many of them are educated anyway.

If they were atheists they would easily integrate but if not then they will find that the promised land does not promise them much. It is the latter group that, with the want it now want it yesterday attitude, will be most disillusion and that is where problems start.

Within the EU it needs to have an EU wide solution that takes into account each countries demographics and the anticipated numbers to arrive in the EU

In terms of the UK we need to be consider at least 100k possibly per annum but Dave wont be doing that despite being very moved as a father.

Junkyard – lazarus
Within the EU it needs to have an EU wide solution that takes into account each countries demographics and the anticipated numbers to arrive in the EU

No. That is absolutely silly. Why anticipate more? The world (many other countries) is always at war so you want them all?

In terms of the UK we need to be consider at least 100k possibly per annum but Dave wont be doing that despite being very moved as a father.

What is your rational for 100k per annum?

I dont think it is up to the countries to decide how many they will take, but more a case of where the refugees and economic migrants want to go.
Think its split 40% refugees, 60% economic migrants.
as has been seen in the balkans, its a case of the refugees and economic migrants wanting to get to Germany and Sweden.