HOPE not hate – inside the far right

More worryingly the comments from the Britain First guy saying he hopes the country continues to go downhill because that is when they will have more appeal and power. Someone has learnt a lesson from history, shame it’s not the main political parties.

Nail and head.  If you look at the pattern of increasing popularity of National Socialism / Nazism in the run up to them gaining power and the atrocities that followed it’s strongly aligned to but lagging a bit behind economic and other problems at a societal level escalating.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The people featured in the documentary after not a “laughing stock”. They’re dangerous.

I’d say that for many of these people, their ideas are dangerous, the people themselves are often Weird Little Guys. Molly Conger – who has made a career tracking and following many of the folks who took part in the Charlottesville marches, and who’s podcast that is has said in the past, that luckily for us, most of these guys think that they are going to be the leaders of the movement that they hope to create, so when they all get together, their egos get in the way of them actually achieving anything. Another researcher, Daniel Harper who contributes to the I don’t speak German podcast, often says the same things about the groups he infiltrates, many of them are such narcissistic arseholes they can’t actually organise themselves or others.

That’s obviously not to try to underplay that some of them go on to do horrific things individually, and websites such as 8-chan Daily Stormer, and Daily Showa and bear much of the responsibility for the (hateful term) “Gamification” of hate that is promoted and goes unchallenged, but at that point you’re well into the Gamergate theory of right wing harassment campaigns, once you start poking into this world, you realise that many of the folks who’re the target of this documentary are just the surface layer.

To be fair to those journalists, they play around the edges. To go any deeper risks go up by some measure. Especially internationally.

, many of them are such narcissistic arseholes they can’t actually organise themselves or others.

The same was largely true of Hitler’s inner circle.

Personally I think it’s dangerous to assume that someone with an agenda won’t put some effective machinery behind the figureheads.  There’s plenty of disenchanted behind looking for an excuse / justification to kick off.

A great many of the Nazis were deeply weird people, and some of them (including the man himself) were, by the war’s end, serious drug users. But they were broadly hierarchical and organised, they obviously didn’t think twice before shoving their colleagues under the bus if they thought it would help them, but ultimately; they had a plan.

Many of today’s neo-fascists are not those people. Again, their ideas are hateful, and some of them individually – Anders Brevik, Brenton Tarrant for example go on to do horrible horrible things, but they are the outliers. As RM suggests, the actual folks pouring money into these idiots are often shielded, and are never really investigated, and for the most part aren’t yer actual fascists  The most interesting and pointed part of that documentary is the fact that much of this stuff is just about moving the conversation, so that very right wing capitalism-conservatism is seen as as moderate and normal.