Has Guy Kesteven hit peak bikejourno?

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  • Has Guy Kesteven hit peak bikejourno?
  • I’ve met him he is nice bloke but that doesn’t mean people can’t laugh at some of his articles

    Yes. The mtb world would be a bit more boring without Guy Kesteven.
    And yes – his dog is fast.

    (But the dog doesn’t write reviews … yet)

    B.A.Nana
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    I still have my original On One C456. I was under the impression (first hand from Joe R possibly) that one or both of the Rafferty Brothers tested the frame and gave feedback to Guy. So any ridicule in that particular case should maybe be directed at them, they are both fantastic bike riders BTW. I remember on the day (Stainburn Car Park), many tears ago, handing my beloved c456 over to Joe and saying TYG WTF (I’d just fallen off it in front of him)

    Premier Icon Drac
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    But the dog doesn’t write reviews … yet

    Geex is his dog is he not?

    bigrich
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    I bought a bike, then I saw his review and he was correct, coherent and succinct.

    olly2097
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    He’s not very consistent but maybe that’s because I’m biased.

    He reviewed my bike, a Merida one forty 1b and slated it. I agree with the fork comments. Loads better with a yari on it, definitely too expense at rrp and the “all mountain” graphics are cringy.

    He then reviews a lesser spec version a few months later and raves about how much of a good bike it is. Maybe because the price point, but then he raves about how the 5b does it all, on all terrain and does it well, how it’s a brilliant bike. While in the 1b review he calls it “sketchy” “dull” and more xc than a do it all bike. Maybe it’s me being butt hurt but after that I ignore his opinions.

    1b
    https://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain-bikes/full-suspension/product/review-merida-one-forty-1-b-14-48484/

    5b
    https://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain-bikes/full-suspension/product/review-merida-one-forty-5-b-14-48206/

    a Merida one forty 1b and slated it.

    He then reviews a lesser spec version a few months later and raves about how much of a good bike it

    They were published pretty close together as well. ha. I think there are different expectations at different pricepoints as they’re probably also picking up different sorts of riders. the Fox 32 at 150mm was never a great fork once you start pushing it more.

    However, the review “too heavy for XC and not hardcore enough for all-mountain” sounds like the very definition of a “trail bike” (which is how they describe the positively reviewed cheaper model).

    Geex is his dog is he not?

    haha. (Bit mean so)

    But for sure – both, Guy and geex add fun to the mtb circus.
    And I really hop Guy Kesteven continues with his crazy reviews. With or without dog.

    Sorry Olly, that’s pretty hard to defend. The bike with the Sektor on rode a lot better and was cheaper though and there was precious little difference between XT and Deore back then in terms of on trail performance so that’s why the scores were so different. Things like describing one 730mm bar as basically OK and slamming the other plus the other discrepancies in there are just dumb though whatever the price.
    As for the whole review honesty thing all I can say is how or where I’m paid really doesn’t make a difference and ask you to believe that. I’m pretty confident that you could ring up most people in the industry and they’d tell you I’ve pissed them off at some point. By definition only one bike or bit of gear can win a group test so I’ve written far more critical reviews than rave ones over the years too. Things are certainly getting a lot closer now than when I started but nothing is perfect. I’ve always tried to ride and test every relevant competitor in any category or like you say there’s no context and no basis for a broader ranking call. For example that Bossnut video review someone mentioned is based on riding all three versions of Bossnut as well as the Boardman, the Norco, the Sonder, the Decathlon and the Vitus in that price bracket.
    There’s no point apologising for being a word **** gobshite though as that’s just the way I am. I like playing with words and I’ve always tried to bring bikes alive with the enthusiasm and excitement that I’ve felt while riding them. Perhaps inevitably that means I often get carried away but there’s always a trigger of truth at the heart of what I’m ranting on about. I’m glad some of you have enjoyed that along the way and appreciate you saying so on this thread. If you don’t/didn’t the good news is that you won’t have to endure any more shite from me if you don’t want to as I finally hit peak ‘bikejourno’ for my penultimate issue on MBUK. Continual budget and word count cuts means I just can’t make a living from magazines anymore but at least I went out on a high/low.
    I’ll still be reviewing bikes on my ‘GUYKESTV’ YouTube channel though (what kind of ****t names a channel after themselves eh!), so if any of you want some bicycle flavoured stream of consciousness live from the trail while I’m trying to dodge trees and decipher suspension kinematics without being dropped by Tilly the spaniel then that’s where you’ll find me.
    Unless they do another series of Crystal Maze or The Fast Show obviously…..
    Cheers
    Guy

    bigrich
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    ****t

    5 letter word ending in t. Donut?

    geex
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    *Barks*

    translated = “BRILLIANT!”

    Premier Icon matt_outandabout
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    I’ve read Geex article too – can I share?

    As I said last page, I like STW reviews and Guy’s reviews, and I like geex’s.

    Maybe I just like riding bikes and reading about them in a geeky way to much?

    I’m no bike journalist and my grammar is awful, so I’m just going to put it all down to character.

    What I’m glad I’m not reading is content that’s all based on fashion or a particular ‘has to be this way’.

    There are still some reviewers who make odd statements – I watched a video last night of someone riding steep woods Down south somewhere saying it would be near impossible on a hardtail, and they wouldn’t recommend it! Hold my beer….

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    I’m a bit sad to hear up there that Guy is leaving the mag review business. Maybe STW could employ him for bikes tests / FGF?

    bring bikes alive

    With peak STW comments like that you’d be very welcome here Guy… 😀

    P.S. I too want to read a Geex review – linky?

    Premier Icon thepurist
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    @guy – smashed it!

    MrSmith
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    I have no idea about his MTB reviews but I read a review of a road bike that I own by Guy and it was absolute bobbins “punishingly stiff by steel standards”
    WTF? A pegoretti duende has to be one of the the most comfortable road bikes I have swung a leg over. Was wavering over the purchase and was actually convinced to buy it by another bike journalist (now road bike brand owner) who said to me “you have no idea how nice that will be to ride”.

    I know I would take anything Guy writes about road bikes with a pinch of salt and a look of bemusement.

    bigrich
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    Hmmm. Not sure he can claim other people’s reviews are poor. Needs an editor.

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    Needs an editor.

    And a photographer.

    Premier Icon bowglie
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    I guess this reviewing lark is, by its nature, going to be pretty subjective. I do find some of the bikejourno speak a bit er…’eh, WTF are they on about?!’ sometimes, but with Guy’s review of the Mavic wheels, I could relate to some of his comments, as I’ve previously owned some carbon wheels that behaved in a similar way to how he describes the Mavic wheels (hence my original wheel question thread). I’ve also owned a couple of bikes that Guy gave rave reviews to (one after I’d bought the bike after a couple of demos), and I could really relate to his reviews of the bikes.

    I do find Guy’s video channel quite entertaining, as his full on bonkers enthusiasm definitely comes across – anyone seen the one where he’s following Cy down the descent on Cotics test loop? I know that descent, and how he can keep talking while flying down there is quite impressive!

    Sorry Olly, that’s pretty hard to defend.

    @GuyKesteven:
    keep on having fun with mtb biking!
    This low budget reviewing stuff never is easy. You added humor to the whole circus and guess you helped people getting into mtb biking.

    And that’s most important.
    bike forum: fun as well. An there it’s fun to add noise and fight a bit.

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    Pretty much nails it Andrea.

    geex
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    I’m no bike journalist and my grammar is awful, so I’m just going to put it all down to character.

    I’m no journalist at all and spent more time suspended/excluded/expelled from skool than I did in any English classes. So yeah a lot of how I write is down to my character. Like I said to you by PM. Grateful for all feedback, Your honest critcism and opinion appreciated and will be taken on board.

    Bigrich. As above. Do me a favour and PM me your thoughts?

    Drac, What do you want a professional photograph of? The mudguard or the Box components stuff? Didn’t realise you still even rode mountainbikes nevermind eebs 😉

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    Drac, What do you want a professional photograph of? The mudguard or the Box components stuff? Didn’t realise you still even rode mountainbikes nevermind eebs 😉

    Better quality photos and maybe in focus rather a bike dropped on the ground. I don’t not for awhile and only played with E bike.

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    Pairing their 11-50T cassette with a 34T chainring gives a 454.5% gear range. But what does this percentage number actually mean and why is it important? No longer are we using gear inches (The traditional and far more useful measurement used for decades by road riders) to bore our friends senseless explaining our gearing to our friends in the café or god forbid during the ride (you know who you are) now the bike industry has seen fit to throw percentage figures at us to refer to the gear range of our cassettes.

    To work out this new nerdy stat they’ve simply devised a basic calculation involving dividing your the largest sprocket by the smallest and then multiplying this by a hundred. So in this case (50÷11 = 4.545 x 100 = 454.5%).

    Using the same formula the Shimano SLX 11-42 cassette I removed to fit the Box cassette equates to 381.8% so 72.7% less. Sounds a lot doesn’t it? But in reality there is just 3.8 gear inches difference between the two which is not a whole lot (I won’t go too deeply into this but gear inches is basically a measurement of distance travelled by the tyre per full 360deg revolution of the crank) in laymans terms those 3.8 gear inches would equate to roughly around the difference in effort required to turn a 29″ wheel compared with a 26″ wheel.

    Too geeky? TL:DR? Yeah. Percentage range is an absolute bobbins measurement.

    Hmm. I think there’s some confusion between gear inches (size of a hypothetical penny farthing wheel) and Meters of development.

    Percentage range is much more useful as it doesn’t matter if I fit the gears to a fatbike, road bike, plus bike or 29er. The values stay the same.

    With the two cassettes referenced you could go from a 34 to a 40 something (if the derailleur could handle it) and still have the same granny and a monster high gear.

    geex
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    I agree. it was just to get the point across. I’d already strayed into far too nerdy teritory for a groupset review.

    geex
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    Better quality photos and maybe in focus rather a bike dropped on the ground

    haha. That’s probably one of the best photos I’ve ever taken. I’ve never had a camera and can’t take a pic to save my life. I’m fairly well known for it.
    Genuinely interested, how much does this really matter to folk?
    If loads. I do know folk who can.

    Premier Icon Drac
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    haha. That’s probably one of the best photos I’ve ever taken.

    😂

    Genuinely interested, how much does this really matter to folk?
    If loads. I do know folk who can.

    When it comes to showing a product I’d say it’s fairly important but it’s also just one of those things that bothers me. You’ve written a very detailed review and then taken some quick snapshots with your phone.

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    I ordered on of those RRP guards after geex raved about it now I find out he was given his. I feel so used☹

    Premier Icon DezB
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    Lovin Guy’s response. Makes me want to sign up to his Yootoob channel. Good man.

    Premier Icon BadlyWiredDog
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    haha. That’s probably one of the best photos I’ve ever taken. I’ve never had a camera and can’t take a pic to save my life. I’m fairly well known for it.
    Genuinely interested, how much does this really matter to folk?
    If loads. I do know folk who can.

    There’s kind of two elements to the photographic side of online publishing, maybe three, or four, but let’s start with two. One is simply to show the product clearly so you can make out what it looks like, how it works, any weird features that distinguish it from similar stuff etc.

    The second bit’s more subtle and depends on what you’re trying to project. Slapdash and amateur is fine and maybe even ‘authentic’ if you’re trying hard to be grassroots and ‘real’. Beyond that there’s the point where it reflects on your professionalism and makes you look like an amateur. Sometimes that’s okay and even a plus, other times it’s not.

    There’s a third bit as well, where the brand has spent thousands of quid working on its product and you’ve chucked, say, a crumpled jacket on the floor and taken a blurry snap of it. Most brands would prefer you to at least show the thing being used in the environment it’s supposed to be used in.

    Like it said, sometimes it matters. Sometimes it doesn’t. If you’re writing for a website or magazine with professional pretensions, it probably does. If you’re trying to be determinedly amateourish / authentic, then arguably it doesn’t.

    And on top of that, everyone’s different. Some people throw a tantrum if everything isn’t pin-sharp, others don’t really give a stuff.

    You can apply the same criteria to copy. The problem with writing without a decent sub-editor, is that it’s hard to see your own mistakes, stuff tends to read as it was when it formed in your head and you just miss stuff. Does it matter? I’d argue it does if it comes between the reader and what you’re trying to tell them, but most specialist journos are pretty bad because they’re enthusiasts first and writers second. It’s why people like Guy and Steve Worland are special, because they can do both.

    So… yes, but no.

    geex
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    go from a 34 to a 40 something (if the derailleur could handle it)

    Assuming you’re meaning chainring size. The derailleur isn’t the problem. 38T is max (34t min) on a Shimano E8000 motor. Shimano themselves only make a 34 OR 38t E8000 chainring. 36T is the max chainring that will clear the chainstay/swingarm on my particular frame and what I use.
    The other issue being an Ebike is the firmware will not drive too low a gear. Even more of an issue if anyone has chipped the motor.

    geex
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    @Rubber Buccaneer The RRP guard reviewed is my own. bought with my own money. I thought it so good I reviewed it.
    If you liked the feeling (you did didn’t you?) I can still make you feel used if you’d like though 😉

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    I seriously can’t read that ebike review site. It’s a bleedin mess (pics and text far too big) and the reviews are far too long.
    Maybe cos I’m not interested every single intimate detail of an ebike. But I can’t imagine there’s many with that much of an attention span.

    geex
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    then taken some quick snapshots with your phone.

    I didn’t do it quickly. trust me. I’m that bad at using phone’s/cameras 😀

    geex
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    you look like an amateur

    Thanks @Badlywireddog that’s more than I’ve ever aspired to and a compliment. Genuinely. Thanks for taking the time to explain your thoughts. It helps more than you can imagine.

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    I didn’t do it quickly. trust me. I’m that bad at using phone’s/cameras 😀

    At least you’re honest.

    geex
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    You’ve warned me enough about it I thought you’d figured that out 😉

    DezB PM’n you

    hodgynd
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    Hats off to Guy for his reply ..nice one ..sorry to hear that your magazine duties are coming to an end
    I’ve also enjoyed your sister Gloria’s music over the years …😉

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    I have always enjoyed Guys reviews. As has been said, enthusiasm and a love of the sport. Fantastic. I work with and meet so many ***l ends it’s refreshing to see someone who still loves what he does and would like to continue to do so.
    Far too much negativity in this world.
    We don’t have to buy products and a reviewer’s opinion should not be the only thing that decided upon a person’s decision to buy a product.
    Thanks for the years of reviews guy!!!!

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    Gloria’s music over the years

    *Groans*

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