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  • giddyrob
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    Hey,

    sure a lot of you guys have both bikes so was wondering how you make the decision on what bike to take?

    Black runs = full sus?
    Red/blu = hardtail?

    Love my all mountain full sus but sometimes it just numbs the riding on flatter stuff. Thoughts?

    thomthumb
    Member

    full sus to the mountains
    hardtail to the hills is my rule of thumb

    giddyrob
    Member

    good call!

    hardtail for work out (also sharpen up your bike handling)

    fullsus for fun (jumps/drops)

    both get ridden any grade green to black doesn’t matter

    coogan
    Member

    Which ever one is working. It just a bike and some hills.

    Soup
    Member

    SS Ti hardtail, fully rigid every time.

    Keeping it real since ’92

    full suss is overcomplicated and energy sapping 🙂

    giddyrob
    Member

    roundwheels – yes i agree, the hardtail is good for sharpening the skills on less demanding terrain.

    full suss is overcomplicated and energy sapping

    lets be honest here its not, its only complicated if your brain is in upside down

    giddyrob i dont mean jump in at the deep end. start by puting you seat down, it also makes you think about your lines more (looking for the smoother line)then go back to your f/s and you well feel like a god .

    giddyrob
    Member

    ? seat down? You mean when you are riding the hardtail as a training tool for the full sus.

    Don’t really ride trails with my seat up though. Save that for xc stuff 🙂

    It’s a mood thing. My HT is more of a barge/blunder-tank than the 5″ FS which is more zoom, skippity hop. Am thinking of dismantling the HT and rebuilding it on a 15″ Brand-X dirt/4x frame – just to practice my handling around town features and the on local dirt/quarries.

    Premier Icon nickc
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    I only have a hard tail. Makes life easy

    giddyrob
    Member

    not if you are on a downhill course 😉

    Premier Icon nickc
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    Never come across one I haven’t been able to get down yet.

    giddyrob
    Member

    try nz! Glentress blackrun (love it though i do) is a chicken run compared to some stuff over here.

    Why aren’t the downhiller’s running hardtails if that’s all ya need 😉

    4ndy B
    Member

    Full suss, 2 reasons….

    #1 I’ve got arthritis in my spine (Ankylosing Spondylitis)

    #2 I only own one MTB now, had to sell the hardtail & oldskool rigid Scott

    I used to ride rigid steel forks & frames BITD, but I simply cannot ride even a hardtail off road without being in major pain for a long time afterwards.

    I do use a oldskool roadie (’78 Falcon with Shimano 600 Arabesque) as my beer scooter though….

    james
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    “try nz! Glentress blackrun (love it though i do) is a chicken run compared to some stuff over here.”

    Glentress Black (more like a red) is a chicken run compared to some of the stuff in the UK too

    “Why aren’t the downhiller’s running hardtails if that’s all ya need”
    Probably because they’re wanting to get down as quick as they can. That and marketting hype

    giddyrob
    Member

    point is, there is a point to full sus bikes. Just like there is always room for hardtails.

    I like both xc and all mountain stuff so it’s good to have a hardtail and a full sus. Though I reckon a cove stiffee would be fun on some of the runs I do.

    james – I agree glentress should really be a red run, but it is still fooking mint for a long blast!

    Premier Icon kiwijohn
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    FS = cracked
    LT HT = cracked
    XC HT it is then

    Premier Icon Taz
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    Whichever one I fancy. After several months of HT I am now back on the FS.

    Can ride anything on my HT that I ride on my FS but no question the FS is faster (but not necessarily more fun) on something like a DH run.

    Riding both gives you different skills that transfer back to the other.

    However it just a bike and some hills so I think it best not to over think it 🙂

    depends if i own a full suss at the time, i either get bored of havign nothing to do or scare myself shitless with the extra speed.

    johni
    Member

    Varies. Lately taking the Stiffee everywhere. Usually ride FS if it is a long day as it is less tiring on the old body

    steve_b77
    Member

    Tend to take my FS to trail centres and up on the big hills, and use my HT for things like blatting round the local woods or if there’s going to be some tarmac involved.

    Then again if I feel like leathering it round a trail centre sans black run I’ll take the HT and if i wanna prat about in the woods in bomb holes and on jumps etc I’ll use my FS.

    Premier Icon yoshimi
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    full sussers are not required in the UK – well for uplift days but thats about it

    i take either, depending on my mood and riding location.
    neither’s better, just different…..

    Olly
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    ive ridden Hartail on double blacks with no problems, but primary bike is a full suss, and as trail centres tend to allow you to carry more speed, i go with FS now.
    zoom zoom
    hardtail has now been delegated to Singlespeeding, so it used for especially muddy rides, and rides where i cant be bothered with the cleaning afterwards.
    though still fun at a trail centre, as lack of pedalability means you can focu more on keeping your speed, staying off the brakes and riding smooth.

    sharki
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    One bike, one gear, one me, one hill.
    Just ride!

    GEDA
    Member

    HT – Cheap, works

    FS – Wee hee for big rocks and drops.

    HT is all that is needed for ‘fun’ in the Peaks for all but a few downhills. (With a good pair of big volume tyres and good forks).Even going around Innerleithen XC track the other day and I thought it would be more fun on the HT.

    richc
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    double blacks where? in the UK then fair enough but in Canada then I am impressed, some of the single blacks I couldn’t see how you would walk down them, let alone the double blacks (30 ft gap jumps anyone)

    Olly
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    UK im afraid, never been abroad 🙁
    i think the grading system is a bit vague anyway.
    Llandegla black for instance is only as black as you make it.
    i think its more an indication of how much speed you can carry around there, theres nothing “hard” as such…

    whereas, yep, some runs come up as reds and seem to comprise soley angular rocks spattered in blood….
    i hate rock gardens 🙁 no flow, no fun.

    richc
    Member

    LoL Olly, UK blacks are Canada blues so you really don’t need a FS for any I’ve ridden over here. Mind you Stainburn and Laggan blacks (which I haven’t ridden yet) are supposed to be almost black worthy trails.

    Last year I was in Nelson looking at some of the trails and laughing, as it looked like you would need ropes to get down some of the stuff 😉

    nb: and I am a very average rider ( ie: shit )

    Burchy1
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    sharki – Member
    One bike, one gear, one me, one hill.
    Just ride!

    There’s a t-shirt slogan and some money in there somewhere Sharki 😉

    duir
    Member

    Hardtail for everything UK except Downhill courses. Even then sometimes use the hardtail for downhill.

    Olly
    Member

    meh meh
    use what you want to use i say.
    theres no NEED to even get out the car in the first place

    horses for courses, and all that guff.

    riggsy
    Member

    at the moment Im running a hardtail for everthing..

    but thats because I havent got the pennies to get a full susser yet

    me:full suss is overcomplicated and energy sapping

    lets be honest here its not, its only complicated if your brain is in upside down

    I meant ‘prone to failure’. On my Intense, the shock eye bush would last about 10 weeks before it started knocking, and I’d have to replace numerous small cartridge bearings every year and dismantle the air shock to grease the insides etc. And all this effort to make the ride over rocks less exciting 🙁

    “either get bored of havign nothing to do or scare myself shitless with the extra speed”

    Yeah, I’ve noticed that! I really like my FS as a do-it-all bike, speed, pop, etc but I can’t get over the feeling that a really good, 25lb HT is the best fun for 2-4 blasts on typical trails around here.

    Fancy a Whyte 19 now!

    bigyinn
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    FS as i cant be bothered with fully rigid beating me up all the time.

    ‘prone to failure’. On my Intense

    this i have to agree with you on this simon i have/had the same problem with my 5.5 changing bushes(x2) and replacing shock bolts (X3)but when she working she great

    :oops:excuse the cave man talk

    Premier Icon jam bo
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    changing shock bushing is a five minute job, if that. hardly a major price to pay.

    i ride what I have, hardtails can be fun but bounce is funner.

    depends if you just grind/plod along or like to play around…

    Premier Icon DezB
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    full sussers are not required in the UK – well for uplift days but thats about it

    LOL! There had to be one! 😆

    Black runs/Red/blu – what are these?

    richc – laggan black is perfectly manageable on a LT HT with decent tyres, and a good 130mm+ fork.

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