Genesis bikes – new models

Home Forum Bike Forum Genesis bikes – new models

Viewing 40 posts - 1 through 40 (of 63 total)
  • Genesis bikes – new models
  • simondbarnes
    Member

    I had a carpark spin on a Mantle yesterday. I’ve been trying to work out how to afford a frameset since then 🙂

    Premier Icon monkeysfeet
    Subscriber

    The Fugio looks interesting.

    Premier Icon jonnyboi
    Subscriber

    Agree on the fugio, looks a lot of fun

    munro
    Member

    Really want to cock my leg over a Fugio

    Premier Icon ampthill
    Subscriber

    I think Genesis do some really good stuff. But I also think they can get the details wrong.

    The Fugio is surely crying out for lower gears. Even the the touring bikes are over geared. 30×32 bottom gear, really. I think the reach seems way to long on the Touring bikes as well. This seems to be so they are long enough for the flat bar version

    Ridgeback, who I think are another desk in the same office, get it right. The Panorama seems to have more reasonabe reach and a bottom gear of 26×34 from Stis.

    alangrozier
    Member

    i got the new croix de fer 30

    Premier Icon vincienup
    Subscriber

    30×32 bottom gear is quite low for a 700c bike?

    Premier Icon epicyclo
    Subscriber

    munro – Member
    Really want to cock my leg over a Fugio

    If you haven’t got the budget, maybe a Pompino from those northern lads? 🙂

    Premier Icon Kamakazie
    Subscriber

    I really want them to bring it a more aggressive Tarn 29.
    Their frames are great but the Tarn is too conservative for what I want.

    simondbarnes
    Member

    30×32 bottom gear is quite low for a 700c bike?

    It’s not even slightly low once you’ve added 4 panniers and a bar bag.

    fudge9202
    Member

    Looks like that Fugio frameset could find a home in my outhouse, transfer all my 105 gear onto it and two wheel sets and hey presto. Looks lush in orange!
    Ticks a lot of boxes for me
    700c/650b
    Steel with carbon fork
    And most important it’s orange!!

    Premier Icon dawson
    Subscriber

    Sorry if this has been done.

    They look nice, but boy they look expensive!

    Mantle 30

    £3600 😯

    Premier Icon SaxonRider
    Subscriber

    I’ve got a Tarn 10, which I got as a replacement on insurance. I never expected to love it, but I do, and I have since fallen in love with quite a number of the Genesis models.

    I think their whole new aesthetic – along with the whole Madison Genesis look – is just right.

    The OP’s link is a good example.

    Premier Icon Clink
    Subscriber

    Mantle very tempting. Saracen also have a new carbon 29er hardtail, very similar.

    Premier Icon coomber
    Subscriber

    Tarn looks great to me. Again.

    Kamikaze what isn’t aggressive enough for you? It’s long and low?

    Premier Icon StefMcDef
    Subscriber

    The Tarntanium is a looker.

    That’s what my Tarn 10 wants to be when it grows up.

    Premier Icon jimdubleyou
    Subscriber

    WTF – how has the Longitude gone from being £999 to £1999?!?!

    Is this years model made out of unobtainium?

    Premier Icon Rusty Spanner
    Subscriber

    Think it’s £1199.

    £800 for the Fugio frameset is a bit salty, seing as it’s plain cro-mo.
    And £850 for an Equilibrium Disc frame but £500 for the non-disc?

    That said, Surly have pretty much done the same with their new frames too,

    Premier Icon jimdubleyou
    Subscriber

    Yeah, £1199 looks like the price – it still says £1999 on the “new bikes” blog entry.

    Makes this years version in the sales look like a bargain at £750-800.

    Premier Icon epicyclo
    Subscriber

    Rusty Spanner – Member
    Think it’s £1199.

    £800 for the Fugio frameset is a bit salty, seing as it’s plain cro-mo.
    And £850 for an Equilibrium Disc frame but £500 for the non-disc?

    That said, Surly have pretty much done the same with their new frames too,
    That’s the Brexit effect. The £ has tanked so it’s worth much less and buys less.

    Effectively we’ve all had a big paycut.

    Premier Icon wallop
    Subscriber

    Crikey. I bought my old Equilibrium non-disc frame for £279 back in the day!

    daver27
    Member

    interesting they have specced a flat mount rear caliper mount on an mtb frame on the Mantle…

    Premier Icon Kamakazie
    Subscriber

    Coomber wrote:

    Tarn looks great to me. Again.

    Kamikaze what isn’t aggressive enough for you? It’s long and low?
    A 120mm Reba & 68 degree head angle… I’d like a slacker option with longer, stronger forks (the new Revelation at least).
    I realise the Tarn is more of an all-round bike, but I’d like another model in their lineup as I really rate their bikes.

    That Ti Tarn looks amazing but 😯 at the frame price.

    warton
    Member

    I think the CdF 30 will be my next bike. looks like the all rounder I ‘need’

    thepodge
    Member

    If I was going off the shelf I’d struggle to choose between a Ti Tarn and a Ti Honzo but the price they are I could go to china, get it wrong once and still be quids in after the second attempt.

    Mister P
    Member

    I’m waiting for the Equilibrium Disc frame to arrive to replace my yellow one. The move to 12mm thru-axles means I’ll need new wheels and going flat mount means new brake callipers. So it seems rude not to put a whole new groupset on it. That’s how I’m justifying a complete new build anyway.

    Premier Icon chakaping
    Subscriber

    Ooh that’s a lovely ti frame. And I’m not even a ti fan.

    Good job I fall between the sizes.

    lawman91
    Member

    The Mantle looks ace as lightweight XC/Trail rig and I also like the look of the Volare 853 Disc as well. I don’t really need either of them but that doesn’t stop me wanting both! Prices are about in line for most non-direct sell brands, Mantle Frame is £1500, Scott Spark 910 frame is also £1500.

    dumbbot
    Member

    Ti-Tarn is lush, but id be going for a Kingdom x2 or

    https://nordestcycles.com/en/product/bardino-ti-frame

    Better price and slacker angles works for me,

    alangrozier
    Member

    I think the CdF 30 will be my next bike. looks like the all rounder I ‘need’

    got mine last week , its a very nice bike

    £800 for the Fugio frameset is a bit salty, seing as it’s plain cro-mo.

    Especially when they were clearing out the last Fugios for about £350-£400 a while back, and they were 853!

    I bet that chainstay isn’t cheap to manufacture though.

    And £850 for an Equilibrium Disc frame but £500 for the non-disc?

    Wow, on top of the additional cost of discs, and disc wheels, it really starts to put a price tag on the benefits of discs, especially since all else being equal you’ll probably also end up with a heavier bike.

    I was looking at the new Giant Defy range the other day, best part of £2200 gets you Ultegra but with some weird bodged brakes (mechanical levers, junction box, Giant own brand calipers). Prices definitely going up!

    Shame they haven’t updated the non-disc Equilibrium, heavier than its nearest rivals in that price bracket, and smaller tyre clearances.

    but with some weird bodged brakes (mechanical levers, junction box, Giant own brand calipers).

    Saw that the other day, surely it can’t be cheaper than just buying the whole lot from Shimano? The only advantage I can see is cheaper levers on a cross bike (which the defy isn’t) that are easier to replace after a crash.

    I’d rather see cheaper STI’s or Gevenalle levers.

    And £850 for an Equilibrium Disc frame but £500 for the non-disc?

    The non-disk is a sunk cost through, they long ago paid for it’s development so as long as they keep selling they can just keep pressing the button on a batch each year. Either that or they’ve got a contract to buy too many of them from the factory and need to shift them at a discounted cost!

    Premier Icon ampthill
    Subscriber

    30×32 bottom gear is quite low for a 700c bike?

    Personal prefernce comes into this alot of course

    But I think loaded touring people want and expect really low gears. All the touring specialists seem to offer them.

    I think the jump from road bike gearing is multiple

    1. People who tour might not be really fit
    2. People who tour might have been on eth bike every day for 5 days
    3. People carry lots of lugggage
    4. Last but not least I think its really hard to stand up on a bike loaded with panniers

    Ridgeback, who I think are another desk in the same office, get it right. The Panorama seems to have more reasonabe reach and a bottom gear of 26×34 from Stis.

    True, but genesis aren’t really marketed at tourers? They’re marketed at people who at most go bikepacking for a weekend. Or want a road bike with enough storage for credit card touring.

    The Fugio definitely looks more like a ‘quick blast round the woods in summer’, ‘CX’ bike than a world tourer.

    In the same way the geometry of the Vagabond (designed for UK bimbling) isn’t the same as the Fargo (designed for the GDR, with correspondingly long chainstays).

    Premier Icon Rusty Spanner
    Subscriber

    thisisnotaspoon – Member
    True, but genesis aren’t really marketed at tourers?

    The Tour de Fer is specifically aimed at tourers according to Genesis.
    The 20 and the 10 have much more reasonable gearing.

    stennah
    Member

    I’m still using my Grapil best full sus I’ve ever ridden

    nwallace
    Member

    30:32 is a bit long for heavy laden touring.
    That’s one of the reasons tourers have in the past used a mix of road and MTB components.

    My Dawes Sardar has got a 22-34-44 on the front and I think 34-13 on the back (9 speed); at 50Kg (bike 18kg, luggage the rest) that needed a bit of pushing at times. (Although why I planned to do hills >20% I don’t kn… oh yeah I was following an NCN route)

    Premier Icon drewd
    Subscriber

    I also like the look of the Fugio, although I have no plans to replace my current drop bar bike. I’ve also always wanted a Tarn. Can’t really afford one yet but it doesn’t stop me wanting one.

    simondbarnes
    Member

    True, but genesis aren’t really marketed at tourers?

    What? They sell a bike called the Tour de Fer which is designed for full on touring. I just wish they’d stop speccing stupid gearing on it. I’d be able to sell more of them then.

Viewing 40 posts - 1 through 40 (of 63 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.