Sorry if this has been done.

They look nice, but boy they look expensive!

Mantle 30

£3600 😯

I had a carpark spin on a Mantle yesterday. I’ve been trying to work out how to afford a frameset since then 🙂

The Fugio looks interesting.

Agree on the fugio, looks a lot of fun

Really want to cock my leg over a Fugio

I think Genesis do some really good stuff. But I also think they can get the details wrong.

The Fugio is surely crying out for lower gears. Even the the touring bikes are over geared. 30×32 bottom gear, really. I think the reach seems way to long on the Touring bikes as well. This seems to be so they are long enough for the flat bar version

Ridgeback, who I think are another desk in the same office, get it right. The Panorama seems to have more reasonabe reach and a bottom gear of 26×34 from Stis.

i got the new croix de fer 30

30×32 bottom gear is quite low for a 700c bike?

munro – Member
Really want to cock my leg over a Fugio

If you haven’t got the budget, maybe a Pompino from those northern lads? 🙂

I really want them to bring it a more aggressive Tarn 29.
Their frames are great but the Tarn is too conservative for what I want.

30×32 bottom gear is quite low for a 700c bike?

It’s not even slightly low once you’ve added 4 panniers and a bar bag.

Looks like that Fugio frameset could find a home in my outhouse, transfer all my 105 gear onto it and two wheel sets and hey presto. Looks lush in orange!
Ticks a lot of boxes for me
700c/650b
Steel with carbon fork
And most important it’s orange!!

I’ve got a Tarn 10, which I got as a replacement on insurance. I never expected to love it, but I do, and I have since fallen in love with quite a number of the Genesis models.

I think their whole new aesthetic – along with the whole Madison Genesis look – is just right.

The OP’s link is a good example.

Mantle very tempting. Saracen also have a new carbon 29er hardtail, very similar.

Tarn looks great to me. Again.

Kamikaze what isn’t aggressive enough for you? It’s long and low?

The Tarntanium is a looker.

That’s what my Tarn 10 wants to be when it grows up.

WTF – how has the Longitude gone from being £999 to £1999?!?!

Is this years model made out of unobtainium?

Think it’s £1199.

£800 for the Fugio frameset is a bit salty, seing as it’s plain cro-mo.
And £850 for an Equilibrium Disc frame but £500 for the non-disc?

That said, Surly have pretty much done the same with their new frames too,

Yeah, £1199 looks like the price – it still says £1999 on the “new bikes” blog entry.

Makes this years version in the sales look like a bargain at £750-800.

Rusty Spanner – Member
Think it’s £1199.

£800 for the Fugio frameset is a bit salty, seing as it’s plain cro-mo.
And £850 for an Equilibrium Disc frame but £500 for the non-disc?

That said, Surly have pretty much done the same with their new frames too,
That’s the Brexit effect. The £ has tanked so it’s worth much less and buys less.

Effectively we’ve all had a big paycut.

Crikey. I bought my old Equilibrium non-disc frame for £279 back in the day!

interesting they have specced a flat mount rear caliper mount on an mtb frame on the Mantle…

A 120mm Reba & 68 degree head angle… I’d like a slacker option with longer, stronger forks (the new Revelation at least).
I realise the Tarn is more of an all-round bike, but I’d like another model in their lineup as I really rate their bikes.

That Ti Tarn looks amazing but 😯 at the frame price.

I think the CdF 30 will be my next bike. looks like the all rounder I ‘need’

If I was going off the shelf I’d struggle to choose between a Ti Tarn and a Ti Honzo but the price they are I could go to china, get it wrong once and still be quids in after the second attempt.

I’m waiting for the Equilibrium Disc frame to arrive to replace my yellow one. The move to 12mm thru-axles means I’ll need new wheels and going flat mount means new brake callipers. So it seems rude not to put a whole new groupset on it. That’s how I’m justifying a complete new build anyway.

Ooh that’s a lovely ti frame. And I’m not even a ti fan.

Good job I fall between the sizes.

The Mantle looks ace as lightweight XC/Trail rig and I also like the look of the Volare 853 Disc as well. I don’t really need either of them but that doesn’t stop me wanting both! Prices are about in line for most non-direct sell brands, Mantle Frame is £1500, Scott Spark 910 frame is also £1500.

Ti-Tarn is lush, but id be going for a Kingdom x2 or

https://nordestcycles.com/en/product/bardino-ti-frame

Better price and slacker angles works for me,

I think the CdF 30 will be my next bike. looks like the all rounder I ‘need’

got mine last week , its a very nice bike

£800 for the Fugio frameset is a bit salty, seing as it’s plain cro-mo.

Especially when they were clearing out the last Fugios for about £350-£400 a while back, and they were 853!

I bet that chainstay isn’t cheap to manufacture though.

And £850 for an Equilibrium Disc frame but £500 for the non-disc?

Wow, on top of the additional cost of discs, and disc wheels, it really starts to put a price tag on the benefits of discs, especially since all else being equal you’ll probably also end up with a heavier bike.

I was looking at the new Giant Defy range the other day, best part of £2200 gets you Ultegra but with some weird bodged brakes (mechanical levers, junction box, Giant own brand calipers). Prices definitely going up!

Shame they haven’t updated the non-disc Equilibrium, heavier than its nearest rivals in that price bracket, and smaller tyre clearances.

but with some weird bodged brakes (mechanical levers, junction box, Giant own brand calipers).

Saw that the other day, surely it can’t be cheaper than just buying the whole lot from Shimano? The only advantage I can see is cheaper levers on a cross bike (which the defy isn’t) that are easier to replace after a crash.

I’d rather see cheaper STI’s or Gevenalle levers.

And £850 for an Equilibrium Disc frame but £500 for the non-disc?

The non-disk is a sunk cost through, they long ago paid for it’s development so as long as they keep selling they can just keep pressing the button on a batch each year. Either that or they’ve got a contract to buy too many of them from the factory and need to shift them at a discounted cost!

30×32 bottom gear is quite low for a 700c bike?

Personal prefernce comes into this alot of course

But I think loaded touring people want and expect really low gears. All the touring specialists seem to offer them.

I think the jump from road bike gearing is multiple

1. People who tour might not be really fit
2. People who tour might have been on eth bike every day for 5 days
3. People carry lots of lugggage
4. Last but not least I think its really hard to stand up on a bike loaded with panniers

Ridgeback, who I think are another desk in the same office, get it right. The Panorama seems to have more reasonabe reach and a bottom gear of 26×34 from Stis.

True, but genesis aren’t really marketed at tourers? They’re marketed at people who at most go bikepacking for a weekend. Or want a road bike with enough storage for credit card touring.

The Fugio definitely looks more like a ‘quick blast round the woods in summer’, ‘CX’ bike than a world tourer.

In the same way the geometry of the Vagabond (designed for UK bimbling) isn’t the same as the Fargo (designed for the GDR, with correspondingly long chainstays).

thisisnotaspoon – Member
True, but genesis aren’t really marketed at tourers?

The Tour de Fer is specifically aimed at tourers according to Genesis.
The 20 and the 10 have much more reasonable gearing.

I’m still using my Grapil best full sus I’ve ever ridden

30:32 is a bit long for heavy laden touring.
That’s one of the reasons tourers have in the past used a mix of road and MTB components.

My Dawes Sardar has got a 22-34-44 on the front and I think 34-13 on the back (9 speed); at 50Kg (bike 18kg, luggage the rest) that needed a bit of pushing at times. (Although why I planned to do hills >20% I don’t kn… oh yeah I was following an NCN route)

I also like the look of the Fugio, although I have no plans to replace my current drop bar bike. I’ve also always wanted a Tarn. Can’t really afford one yet but it doesn’t stop me wanting one.

True, but genesis aren’t really marketed at tourers?

What? They sell a bike called the Tour de Fer which is designed for full on touring. I just wish they’d stop speccing stupid gearing on it. I’d be able to sell more of them then.