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Formula 1 2024 – WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS
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TwodogsFull Member
RE Horner…
…according to the socials gossip – even Bernie has told him to resign. And if Bernie thinks you’re a wrong ‘un then…!! 😳😳
Bernie has tweeted today to deny this…..so that means he did 😂
3TwodogsFull MemberI don’t believe the dick pic story (at least not as its suggested). If he had done it, and the female employee could just show he’d done it, then i think he’d be fired immediately for gross misconduct, without needing an 8 hour hearing
3scotroutesFull MemberI don’t believe the dick pic story
Seems like bollocks to me.
multi21Free MemberFull MemberThat Mercedes looks slick.
Indeed, so much for convergence! The trick front wing is presumably only being shown this early as they know it will get banned?edit, the wing in question – check how the top element attaches to the nose with only a legality wire. It probably is trying to create a ‘y250’ vortexBezFull MemberStake really sticking out like a sore thumb as the worst-looking graphics on the car. Looks like it was designed by Hotwheels to appeal to 3-year olds. Visacashapprb not looking great either. But the others all look quite nice; the silver/black treatment on the Merc is very tasteful indeed.
mashrFull MemberLooks like it was designed by Hotwheels to appeal to 3-year olds.
Liberty’s target audience will lap that up, well played Sauber
nickcFull MemberProving yet again that beauty etc etc. I quite like the Stake colours, I think it’s a proper antidote to all the “very safe” schemes that have been the marketing/product placement influence on cars recently, and the CashAppRandomCaps team colours call back to the days of Torro Rosso, which is cool.
dirkpitt74Full Member@Bez
Stake really sticking out like a sore thumb as the worst-looking graphics on the car. Looks like it was designed by Hotwheels to appeal to 3-year olds. Visacashapprb not looking great either. But the others all look quite nice; the silver/black treatment on the Merc is very tasteful indeed.Yeah, and then Ferrari ruin it by having a mostly red car with a bit of black….
3andrewhFree MemberGary Anderson had a column a while back about what happened when Ford took over Stewart and imposed their management ideas on the team.
There is the story about the Ford board meeting when they were discussing the salaries of the highest paid employees and no-one knew who Edmund Irvine was.
ChewFree MemberFrom the Mercedes launch it was very telling that when asked about this seasons objectives Toto was very vague, and didnt mention anything about wins or challenging Red Bull.
Already resigned to the fact that they are fighting for second place again?
Which in turn has lead to Lewis taking a chance on Ferrari?
the-muffin-manFull MemberSo a Merc innovation – it’s bound to be banned before the end of the week!…
I had an aero friend point this out to me. Look at the location of this fish plate in relation to where the 4th element "terminates." Very purposefully placed to maximize the Delta P.
Bortexes!! https://t.co/BpfTMG75o5 pic.twitter.com/6r79W06PDK
— Dr Obbs (@dr_obbs) February 14, 2024
Rich_sFull MemberIs it me, or is that really bad Photoshop? Look at Mick.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/68294760the-muffin-manFull MemberChristian will be at the Red Bull launch tomorrow – so all the controversy is either a massive storm in a tea-cup, or a big cheque is being written and the carpet in his office is being lifted and it’s getting swept under it.
vlad_the_invaderFull MemberIf he had done it, and the female employee could just show he’d done it, then i think he’d be fired immediately for gross misconduct, without needing an 8 hour hearing
Well, much as though I hate Horner, based on what I’ve read (only here), there’s several possible defences along the “it wasn’t me who did it guv” lines so let’s see how this plays out.
TwodogsFull MemberWell, much as though I hate Horner, based on what I’ve read (only here), there’s several possible defences along the “it wasn’t me who did it guv” lines so let’s see how this plays out.
I guess they’d have to compare the photo to the real thing….rather them than me 😱
WorldClassAccidentFree MemberIf the rumour that is is some dodgy picture then I doubt it is as simple as him sending it to her. That is not really controlling.
If any of it is true then I imagine it is something more like he has an inappropriate picture of her, him & her, something she doesn’t want others to know about. He is then asking her to do things for work or make decisions that she doesn’t want to. Controlling behaviour rather than absolute blackmail and he pinged her the picture to remind her about it.
Pure speculation, same as everyone else at the moment but slightly more plausible than he sent her a photo of his sausage
2BezFull MemberYou’d think that that even if it wasn’t already obvious two or three pages ago that speculating on the goings-on behind the Horner kerfuffle was a dumb thing to be doing then it might have become clearer by now, but apparently not.
Maybe let’s all wait for things to run their course and for some actual facts to emerge, eh? It’s not like anyone wins a prize if their pet hypothesis turns out to bear any sort of resemblance to what actually happened.
eddiebabyFree MemberSo how big a hole will this leave in the budget cap and how wind tunnel time will they lose? We demand to know.
boomerlivesFree Memberthere’s several possible defences along the “it wasn’t me who did it guv”
“That’s not my winkle”
I’m not sure that willy waving would play out in court
Rich_sFull MemberI’m not sure that willy waving would play out in court
Bin dun.
1TwodogsFull MemberMaybe let’s all wait for things to run their course and for some actual facts to emerge, eh? It’s not like anyone wins a prize if their pet hypothesis turns out to bear any sort of resemblance to what actually happened.
Killjoy 🙄
simondbarnesFull MemberNothing on the
RBRed Bull launch?https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/red-bull-2024-f1-car-launch-gary-anderson-verdict-rb20/
thepuristFull MemberSeems like we’re all more interested in the Christian Horny panto than the actual car launch. Has Newey (and co) delivered another step forward for Max to cruise to the title in?
simondbarnesFull MemberHas Newey (and co) delivered another step forward for Max to cruise to the title in?
Possibly. They were never going to stand still.
the-muffin-manFull MemberHas Newey (and co) delivered another step forward for Max to cruise to the title in?
They’ve certainly made it uglier!!!
And RB launches are never close to the real car – not sure why they bother – they can’t even claim it’s a livery launch!! 🙂
1multi21Free MemberFull MemberI don’t believe the dick pic story (at least not as its suggested). If he had done it, and the female employee could just show he’d done it, then i think he’d be fired immediately for gross misconduct, without needing an 8 hour hearing
Well you might not believe it but the Dutch paper, De Telegraaf do.Translation of this article:MILTON KEYNES – The riot within Formula One team Red Bull Racing surrounding the independent investigation into team boss Christian Horner appears to be one of major proportions. The female employee who came forward in December 2023 at the billion-dollar company’s headquarters in Austria accuses Horner of sexually transgressive behavior.
The employee turned over app traffic allegedly showing this to the outside lawyer investigating the Horner case. The Telegraph obtained this app traffic. Horner has so far denied all allegations.
The publication by De Telegraaf on Feb. 5 about the investigation by an external, specialized lawyer set up by the Red Bull summit already hit like a bomb in the Formula 1 world. Since then there has been plenty of speculation about the exact allegations made by the employee in question, whose name is known to these editors.Explosive material
It now appears that the woman’s explosive material goes far beyond “just” some voice raising by the powerful team boss and his management style, as has been claimed here and there.
Stories about this have been circulating within the Formula 1 world for months, even as far back as 2023, and were thus already known behind the scenes at the time of the meeting with all team bosses in London, on that same Feb. 5.App traffic
On Thursday, those sounds surrounding the race team’s major presentation were confirmed by multiple sources in Milton Keynes, England.
From the app traffic between the female employee of Red Bull and Horner, viewed by The Telegraph, the picture emerges that Horner (50) sent sexually oriented messages to the employee regularly and over a considerable period of time.Case covered up
All messages were saved and sent through the employee’s lawyer to the external lawyer hired. The lawyer sat for hours with Horner last Friday. Earlier, the reporter had been heard for a long time.That Horner has done everything possible to cover up the case is also clear. On the weekend before the first publication in The Telegraph – after he was confronted with the investigation into transgressive behavior on Friday evening, February 2, and asked for a response – his lawyers sent a letter within 24 hours to the lawyer assisting the reporter. In it, the Horner camp offered a settlement in the amount of no less than 650,000 pounds, or more than 760,000 euros.
Allegations known to Red Bull top brass
Horner is a well-known figure in Britain not only for his position as Red Bull Racing team boss in the Formula One world (since 2005) and being in charge of more than 1,500 employees. He is also in a relationship with former Spice Girl Geri Halliwell and is therefore extra in the spotlight.
The allegations, the app traffic, as well as the tone of the apps are known to Red Bull executives in Austria, including Mark Mateschitz and sports boss Oliver Mintzlaff.Support from Yoovidhya
Yet Horner has not been suspended for the time being, pending the investigation, and has not decided to step down (temporarily) himself. That has everything to do with the fact that the Brit still has the support of Thai Chalerm Yoovidhya. The latter owns 51 percent of Red Bull and thus holds a majority. The remaining shares, 49 percent, are owned by Mark Mateschitz, the son of Dietrich Mateschitz, who died in 2022.Horner was at work as usual last period and Thursday at the Red Bull factory in Milton Keynes also attended the presentation of world champion Max Verstappen and Sergio Pérez’s new car for the upcoming Formula One season. Next week’s test days are scheduled in Bahrain, the venue for the first race of the season a week later (Saturday, March 2).
Better lost than rich
After the team presentation on Thursday, the British driver again denied all allegations against him, stated that he will be in Bahrain next week, did not think about quitting and said that he feels a lot of support within the team and from the Red Bull top.
What is clear, however, is that many insiders, and presumably Horner himself, realize that within that Red Bull top – that is, not from the race team but from the headquarters in Austria – many would rather lose him than be rich.Known to other key players in F1
Not surprisingly, after questions from De Telegraaf about accusations against Horner, that headquarters confirmed very quickly that an investigation is indeed underway and the matter is being taken “extremely seriously. Horner was unaware of the statement at the time.
The allegations regarding Horner’s sexually transgressive behavior are now also known to several other key players in the Formula One world.Eyes on Liberty Media
In addition, the eyes of American sports owners Liberty Media – which has owned Formula 1 for four billion euros since 2016 – are also focused on the issue and its handling, as are Red Bull’s large, American sponsors Oracle and Ford.
Especially in the United States, these kinds of issues surrounding multinationals and world-renowned sports brands are especially sensitive.
To questions about the app traffic, Horner did not want to respond.I can’t vouch for the quality of this publication but I doubt they’d risk publishing this without proof.the-muffin-manFull MemberNice spot Multi21! 👍
A Dutch paper you say! Do Red Bull employ any Dutch people who allegedly have beef with Mr Horner!? 🙂
If the way that reads is true then the Red Bull team should be charged with bringing the sport into disrepute too – as they are complicit to the media frenzy just by keeping Horner in place.
TwodogsFull MemberBlimey…if that is true (and as you say, they’d be mad to publish otherwise), he can’t survive
thols2Full MemberI doubt they’d risk publishing this without proof.
They can publish public statements without evidence that the statements are true – they’re quoting what someone said, not reporting it as fact. Leaked information is always leaked with an agenda. We don’t know who leaked this or what their agenda is.
the-muffin-manFull MemberThis is the reporter – some cosy pictures with the Verstappens! 🤔
TwodogsFull MemberThey can publish public statements without evidence that the statements are true – they’re quoting what someone said, not reporting it as fact.
That’s certainly not how i read it (albeit that it is a bad translation)
Edit: maybe in reading it wrong…i assumed the reporter mentioned is an employee of the paper but maybe not
TwodogsFull Member#F1: Red Bull investigation into Christian Horner, upcoming engine partner Ford says it is awaiting the findings. Mark Rushbrook of Ford says “as a family company that holds itself to very high standards of behavior and integrity, we expect the same from our partners.”
A shot across Red Bull’s bows warning them not to take the investigation lighltly?
convertFull MemberRegardless of how this turns out; I’d imagine it’s not that zigazig ah at home right now for Mr H.
the-muffin-manFull MemberWell it’s made lead story on the Daily Mail so they’re not scared to report it.
the-muffin-manFull MemberIn non F1 news – this is cool!…
…but why on earth is the opening round of WEC on the same weekend as F1 and just down the road in Qatar too! 🤷♂️🤷♂️
1futonrivercrossingFree MemberSo red and white like the Penske 963’s 🤷♂️
I’ll be watching the WEC races, the YouTube 9 minute summaries of the F1 races are usually sufficient.
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