- EU Referendum – are you in or out?
All it has to do is dissolve the Treaty of Union.
That’s a unilateral action and one available to a govt with a majority of independence parties. (Which there is)
Actually no, Von Rumpoy explicitly said any independence would have to be gained by a referendum legally granted by Westminster.Posted 8 months ago
Just been on Twitter which I try to avoid like the plague to look at the RNLI getting abuse.
I’m ******* sickened. I’ve now spent over an hour(politely) replying to some of the **** heads on there. An utter waste of time of course, it’s not even really about the RNLI.
The morally corrupt, touting the Union flag and slamming the RNLI for saving lives from drowning simply because the last molecule that fills their lungs came from another ocean.
Utter c****.Posted 8 months ago
I wonder if the excuse that they are the Royal NATIONAL Lifeboat Institute sticks when they consider the likes of the BRITISH Red Cross?
That Mail article really is plumbing new depths.Posted 8 months ago
Holy crap that Daily mail article is gutter stuff even by their standards.
Brexiteer 1: We want a more international outlook, focusing on high growth economies around the world and to reinvigorate commonwealth ties.
Brexiteer 2: Discrace that their hard erned money is goin to abrod. Britain first eggnog said. Sham on you RNLI.Posted 8 months ago
Cripes, wait till they find out who operates lifeboats around the coast of Ireland.Posted 8 months ago
…Von Rumpoy explicitly said any independence would have to be gained by a referendum legally granted by Westminster
Who’s Von Rumpoy? 🙂
It’s generally accepted that treaties between countries can be revoked, so I’d like more detail.Posted 8 months ago
Anyone hear Raab on R4 this morning, stating that it goes without saying that the government will comply with the law, whilst avoiding the very simple question as to whether they will comply with the legislation requiring an extension to avoid no deal.
“the implications are unclear”, apparently…Posted 8 months ago
I’d like to pretend to be surprised by that DM article and the spite filled frothing of those disgusted by British money saving the wrong people’s lives.
But I’m not. I wonder how much further we can sink as a society.Posted 8 months ago
I wonder how much further we can sink as a society.
Given that the last 3 years has seen the agenda constantly shifted further and further to the far-right, and that the kind of policies now being advocated by government ministers were, not too long ago, the exclusive preserve of the likes of Tommy Robinson and the BNP, I don’t hold out much hope of it getting any betterPosted 8 months ago
It’s generally accepted that treaties between countries can be revoked, so I’d like more detail.
Perhaps on the Scottish independence thread?Posted 8 months ago
My view – the biggest obstacle now to stopping “no deal” is Swinson and the lib dems. By refusing to work with corbyn and now the new policy of revoke without a referendum she has driven a wedge between the anti no deal groups and makes no deal more likely
She really is tory lite – there are now more ex tory mps in her party than liberals!
All you folk saying you will vote lib dem not labour ( unless tactical anti tory) you lib dem vote will make brexit / no deal more likely and a tory government more likely.Posted 8 months ago
A lot of people who voted remain are looking to the lib dems due to their complete exasperation at the hopeless, ineffective performance of the labour party and its continued non-commital, half rice/half chips fence-sitting.
We know that isn’t your take on it, but you must appreciate that its an entirely valid and understandable point of viewPosted 8 months ago
The country doesn’t want Corbyn and doesn’t want Brexit. If Swinson is looking to try and win votes off the back of the intersection of those two truths… who can blame her.
[ I’m voting Labour not LibDem when the inevitable general election comes – are you @TJagain ? ]Posted 8 months ago
By taking away a Tory majority by offering a new home to Tory-lite remainers Swinson has made no deal a lot less likely. Check out the voting in the votes Boris lost that have made no deal less likely, TJ. It’s the rise of the center that’s blocking Brexit not the lexiters or ERG.
A Tory-lite, Labour-lite Liberal democratic party is fine by me. It’s Corbyn and Boris that want blue or red shades of Brexit that need ousting.
Swinson would get my vote if I still had one.Posted 8 months ago
She really is tory lite
Falling back on archaic party descriptions that are no longer of any relevance is half the problem. traditional assumptions about party positions are just no longer applicable in this mad, Brexit-deranged country
Given that the Tory party has now morphed almost completely into UKIP/Brexit party and is busy purging all its ‘one nation’ MPs, and that Labour under Corbyn is becoming the Socialist Workers Party, Tory-lite* as you scathingly describe it, looks like a pretty smart place to position yourself to me
Did you miss the EU and local election results?
*Tory-lite, Blairite, Centrist – whatever this week’s favoured term of abusive is being spat by both the left and the rightPosted 8 months ago
By refusing to work with corbyn
Where is this stated? They worked together to pass the legislation to ( hopefully ) prevent a no deal exit, didn’t they?Posted 8 months ago
They worked together to pass the legislation
I think that was mostly John McDonnell & Nick Brown … although Corbyn played his role perfectly while all that was playing out … I presume TJ is talking about Swinson saying she doesn’t want to make Corbyn PM.Posted 8 months ago
She has stated it several times and by adopting the revoke without referendum position she has split the anti no deal side. simple as
Voting lib dem now will make a tory government more likely and a no deal brexit more likely. If she was serious about stopping brexit and stopping a tory government then she would be working closely with labour. But she refuses to do so.
Its clear what she is trying to do ( attract tory remainers) but her political naivety shows thru as her actions will have the opposite effect.
vote lib dem get tory and no deal brexit – thats the realityPosted 8 months ago
As for my voting preferences – it really makes no difference from a brexit point of view as the likely winners in my coinstituency are all anti brexit. No pro brexit candidate has a chancePosted 8 months ago
Are you voting Labour? Or just preaching down to others?Posted 8 months ago
and that Labour under Corbyn is becoming the Socialist Workers Party,
yes. yes of course.
‘Tory-lite’ as you describe, it looks like a pretty smart place to position yourself
She is pretty right wing by any sensible standards. Its a reflection of triumph of the hardright that they have managed to portray what was extremist economical views as mainstream in less than 30 years.Posted 8 months ago
I would say at least she remains socially liberal but given her willingness to accept some former tories who are anything but got to question that as well.
Okay, let’s say she an anti-Brexit liberal yellow Tory… just to make the tribalists happy. Lots of people will vote for that right now … hopefully loads in seats where Conservative Brexit Party MPs can be beaten.Posted 8 months ago
Not just not making him PM but completely refusing to work with him at all – as can be seen by her splitting the anti brexit side with the stupid policy of revoke without referendum and from multiple statements she ha s made each time getting more and more strident.
Mark my words – she is after a ministerial car in a tory government. My bet is she will lose her seat tho – good riddence. I am so angry about her behaviour. She is now the biggest obstacle in stopping brexitPosted 8 months ago
The anti-no deal legislation shows that Swinson is happy to work with Corbyn
Labour still have not figured out that ambiguity over Brexit (& their position still unclear) Swinson is putting pressure on Corbyn to back remain & she has leverage to do it.Posted 8 months ago
Without the LibDems (and all the people voting for them and the Greens earlier this year)… Labour Brexit policy would still be stuck in 2017.Posted 8 months ago
She is not socially liberal – look at her voting record! she has consistently voted against liberal positions.
Swinson has positioned herself where the tories were 20 years agoPosted 8 months ago
vote lib dem get tory and no deal brexit – thats the reality
That’s just far too simplistic.
Depends where you are, surely?
In my ultra-marginal northern constituency, I’d have to be mental to vote Lib Dem. I might as well just torch my voting slip! I have to vote labour.
But more affluent, metropolitan, liberal-thinking southern seats are chock full of remain-minded voters who are clearly absolutely appalled by what the (Faragist) Tory party has become. I’d imagine the same applies in reverse. A vote for labour here would be a total waste of your vote.
Add in the ‘true believers’ who will go to Farage, I reckon the Lib Dems will take a lot of seats off the Tories in southern remain constituencies
If you look at the seats Boris is targetting, they’re all northern and midlands leave-voting ones, so he must think so tooPosted 8 months ago
The anti-no deal legislation shows that Swinson is happy to work with Corbyn
Nope – that was not between Corbyn and her and look what she has done since and look at her statemnts – getting ever more anti corbyn She has no idea that the only way to beat brexit is to have a united anti brexit opposition.Posted 8 months ago
Binners – I did say unless tactical anti tory
Lib dems will lose seats not gain them. I bet after the next election they have less MPs than now – ans Swinson will be one of the ones lost
History will judge her badly. She has the opportunity and power to block brexit but has thrown it away because she does not like corbynPosted 8 months ago
The country overwhelmingly does not like Corbyn, and wants Brexit stopped… especially in seats where Conservative MPs can be unseated. Her plan is sound. She’s not after your vote or mine TJ. The LibDems have to win over people who previously voted Conservative, in seats where hardly anyone voted Labour in recent elections. Just chasing 2017 Labour voters will not get her party many more seats (nor lose the Conservative party many of their seats).Posted 8 months ago
Stopping Brexit requires either the opposition parties to change tack, and move to a referendum first, general election second, position… or for the LibDems to steal seats at a general election from the Conservatives, and Labour to do at least as well as in 2017 with their seat count. At the moment, none of that looks likely (sadly)… but all of this conference season political manoeuvring needs to be watched with this in mind.Posted 8 months ago
Lib dems will lose seats not gain them.
I’ll take that bet, Uncle Jezza. Usual pasty-related goodies? 😀Posted 8 months ago
I understand that – but by doing what she is doing she is making a tory government and a no deal brexit more likely.
She was able to go into coalition with Cameron and Osbourne and instigate austerity that harmed so many for no reason but she will not even support Corbyn to stop no deal?
Swinson dismissed the possibility of supporting Corbyn along the lines of the Democratic Unionist party’s confidence-and-supply arrangement with the Conservatives. “I don’t know how I can be clearer – I do not think he is fit to be prime minister. He is trying to take our country into Brexit. He has failed to tackle antisemitism in his own party.”
BOth complete lies
She refused point blank to state which labour policies she objects to – its all about personalities with her.Posted 8 months ago
Certainly Binners. I enjoyed my Gregs last time 🙂Posted 8 months ago
…its all about personalities with her.
Yes, and it’s a vote winner. In her target seats people do not like or trust Corbyn. These seats can not be won if she can be painted as being a proxy for a Corbyn led government.Posted 8 months ago
We’re at a strange point in time now where we’ve been lambasting Corbyn for three years for sitting on the fence and now we’re giving Swinson a kicking for not doing so. It’s no wonder the headbangers haven’t been ousted yet.Posted 8 months ago
She really is tory lite
Apart from the repeal A50 bit.Posted 8 months ago
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