They may be pro EU, along with the greens and LD’s
But by failing to join forces, for a unified position in the EU elections, they are basically guaranteeing the EDL/UKIP/brexit will gain more MEPS and they’ll only get a scatter of votes each.

Same old crap. Same old ‘party before best interest’.

Anyone heard how the Tories and Labour “joining forces” has progressed today? Talks were supposed to resume, but I’ve heard nothing.

Farage’s Brexit Party is strategically miles ahead of any of the remain groups, candidates a major break from his UKIP past.

Anyone heard how the Tories and Labour “joining forces” has progressed today? Talks were supposed to resume, but I’ve heard nothing.

I read an article that was basically ground hog day.

Tories saying Labour being difficult whilst not budging.. Same shit different day.

Credit where it’s due, UKIP always had the best colour branding. Vote purple.

Black is a shit choice for Change but really, what else was left? The Austin Allegro’s Russet Brown?

Maybe Change should have just called themselves EUkip , stole the logo and hoovered up all the **** who can’t read.

Farage’s Brexit Party is strategically miles ahead

Given the criminal behaviour of Leave.EU last time around, lets hope it’s being carefully watched.

To be fair to them, they know their target demographic

Ann Widdecombe's standing for the Brexit Party now. It's like when Channel 5 reveal who's in their latest reality show. Next will be Timmy Mallet, Jimmy Greaves and the woman who put a cat in a wheelie-bin.

— Mark Steel (@mrmarksteel) April 24, 2019

They may be pro EU, along with the greens and LD’s
But by failing to join forces, for a unified position in the EU elections, they are basically guaranteeing the EDL/UKIP/brexit will gain more MEPS and they’ll only get a scatter of votes each.

This is not true unless they get below the representation threshold which I very much doubt. all that will happen is you get the same number of MPS pro and anti but they are split between different parties.

Euro elections are PR. You get representation according to the number of votes. Its not FPTP take all

Euro elections are PR. You get representation according to the number of votes.

It’s not that simple in the D’Hondt system. If the minority party voting is split, and comes in under a certain percentage, they get nothing.

EU elections offer real opportunity – if played well

I see Trump will be in town to sign the Trump Treaty. Mike Ashley has been secretly funded by the CIA to buy up all the businesses that are going bust so that they can be turned into gun shops. Have you seen how knife crime has suddenly spiralled out of control? All perpetrated by the CIA  so that us proud patriots will want to buy US guns to protect ourselves.Farage and Mogg have already bought massive shares in Colt.

Buckingham Palace is going to be renamed Trumpington Palace ,the queen kicked out and it turned into a casino.

South of the M25 will become the 51st state, above that to Scotland is Islamshire where all the U.S undesireables will be housed and tortured . Scotland will become trump’s personal estate .

UK soccer will have the offside rule removed as none of god’s patriots can understand it.

The BBC will have to have 30 minutes of adverts every hour.

Unemployed people will be shipped to the US to be butler’s for republican voters.

Please share these facts on Facebook.

yes Torso – there is a theshold but its fairly low. IIRC about 6%

One important consequence of the d’Hondt system is that any party with too few votes goes away empty handed, winning no MEPs in that region. The minimum number of votes to get an MEP in a region depends largely on how many are up for election. In the last elections in 2014, 8% secured an MEP in the South East where 10 MEPs were chosen, but 18% was needed to get one in the North East where only three were elected.

Higher theshold than I remember
Of course this splitting of the vote is also on the leave side with 3 leave parties ( ukip. brexit, tory)

Of course this splitting of the vote is also on the leave side with 3 leave parties ( ukip. brexit, tory)

And Labour.

And Labour.

I still think we’re hearing nowt out of the Tory’s or Labour on Brexit as they’re presently engineering getting a barely altered ‘Mays Deal’ through so that the EU elections never happen. Which is the one thing that unites them both, for pretty obvious reasons

The leaders of both parties want Brexit and when push comes to shove they’ll deliver it. Maybe there will be a nod to some kind of customs union, but I think Magic Grandad will ultimately go along with anything that will enable Brexit and whip his MPs to do the same. Or attempt to, at least. He’s done so at every critical stage so far

If you’re in any doubt about labours commitment to Brexit, the labour housing spokesman is presently on Five Live re-stating, in no uncertain terms, labours determination to end freedom of movement. Apparently, all the present EU construction workers are immediately going to be replaced by young locally-recruited apprentices

Give it a rest chaps. Labour is NOT a brexit party. Its a badly split party but the weight is on remain as you well know.

Mays Deal – again as you well know is only the withdrawal agreement not the final shape of our relationship with the EU – and Labour have very cleverly positioned themselves so that the talks with the tories will collapse and the tories can be blamed.

 Labour is NOT a brexit party. Its a badly split party but the weight is on remain as you well know.

A vote for Labour was/is/will be a vote for “respecting the result of the referendum” – Brexit.

The leadership, such as they are, are all life-long committed Brexiteers. We’ve been over this countless times, but at every single critical vote Corbyn has whipped his MPs to facilitate Brexit

“We are NOT a remain party”

Barry Gardiner

It’s very different for your region TJ, but sadly, for most of us, we’ll probably get Brexit Party, Tory & Labour MEPs… and no ChangeUK or Green MEPs, because of the thresholds. The parties most likely to join the “top” three and sneak seats are the LibDems & UKIP… but if ChangeUK & Greens do better than currently expected, then it could just result in no LibDem MEPs. Messy.

Edit (useful analysis) : https://ig.ft.com/european-parliament-election-polls/

England FT seat projection (17/04/19):
Lab 26
Cons 16
Brexit 12
LibDems 5
UKIP 1
ChangeUK 0
Greens 0

No it is not.
French press are reporting Farage doing well in polls.

Labour need to choose quickly or will be decimated.

Yes it WAS- but it is not as Binners characterises it nor is that immutable or cast in stone – there is a very large majority in the party for remain / second ref.
Labour had to go into the last election with “respect the vote” however unlike the tories there is a jhuge majority in the party for remain and as policy develops its moving further and further away from this

As for not wanting the eu elections – just sheer drivel.

but at every single critical vote Corbyn has whipped his MPs to facilitate Brexit

Bullshit – sheer nonsense.

Labour is NOT a brexit party.

Agreed. But while “the party” allows Corbyn, Milne & Murray to keep control, then it will get the Brexit that those life long anti-EU campaigners want. A vote for Labour is a vote of support for that leadership, no matter how strong the current (and possible new) Labour MEPs are on this.

sheer nonsense

You are correct. Some key whipping decisions were to abstain, rather than actively support. Much the same result though.

there is a very large majority in the party for remain / second ref.

And Corbyn obviously cares what they all think, right? He whipped them to vote to trigger article 50, against remaining in the customs union, then against remaining in the single market.

Less a cunning plan, more just nodding through the Brexit he’s always wanted

So Binners – Starmer is a hard brexiteer is he? Watson? or are they not apart of the leadership?

Both regularly ignored. He didn’t even take them into his cross-party talks with May. He took Seamus Milne instead. A rabid Brexiteer

And his cabal have spent the last 12 months trying to get Watson deselected

Corbyn talks about democracy, but all his actions ignore everyone else’s opinions other than those in his inner sanctum. And they’re all Brexiteers

+1 Binners.

Judge a man by his actions – or in Corbyn’s case his inactions too.

but at every single critical vote Corbyn has whipped his MPs to facilitate Brexit

Sorry you are going to have to help me out here since I am sure its me getting it wrong and you not making up bollocks but how on earth was the whipping for the indicative votes (for example) aiming to facilitate brexit.

Barry Gardiner

and yet others disagree. I am not sure why you are deifying Barry?

He didn’t even take them into his cross-party talks with May

The current members of the cross party talks Labour team are Starmer, McDonnell, Long-Bailey and Hayman.
Why are you so adverse to the truth?

Indeed disonance

And his cabal have spent the last 12 months trying to get Watson deselected

also bullshine.

Both regularly ignored. He didn’t even take them into his cross-party talks with May.

Pretty sure Starmer has been in the talks.

dge a man by his actions – or in Corbyn’s case his inactions too.

Don’t judge a man by what you read about him in the media…

I judge a man by the way he’s led his party..

Holding together a badly split party? Increasing membership enormously?

Badly split by his leadership….

If you vote Labour then you’re voting for a party whose leadership is fully committed to Brexit

If you can’t see that, then you’re delusional

Plenty of us (former labour voters) can see that and will be switching our vote accordingly. Hence I can see an 11th-hour stitch up to get a Brexit deal through before the deadline for EU elections is reached

Wait, Corbyn caused the split over Brexit? Don’t be silly.

Rightly or wrongly, those in favour of Brexit have a couple of clear choices of party to vote for, with UKIP and Farage. Those in favour of Remain have a couple of choices, not likely to be as successful. Why would any Remain-inclined voter vote for Labour when their policy is so muddied and unclear? This is the danger of trying to walk a middle ground. Labour can only hope there is no need for these EU elections at all.

In other news, relating to the splitting of the remain vote…

https://www.renewparty.org.uk/press_releases