Larry_Lamb
Tell that to Jimmy Krankie, she berated the hell out of the ‘English plan’ and said we’re doing our own thing because the English plan is irresponsible.

Then caves and realises it wasn’t such a bad plan

Any idea how pathetic that opening remark makes you appear?

The point is that Scotland (and Wales) had no alternative but to follow the English “plan” because we cannot close our borders. Otherwise you may have seen a very different approach.

The WHO have a very different assessment of the First Minister’s strategy than your Daily Excrescence newspaper.

I’m already getting quizzed at work about what the ‘5 mile’ guidance really means.

Nicola did say that further guidance will be given in the next week before the 28th and that the 28th did depend on numbers continuing to reduce.

Certainly the ‘take on the street’ here and the press seems to be you can now drive up to 5 miles to take your exercise. Though she obviously was saying she’d prefer you to still stay local and cycle and walk, and also to minimise time outside. I’m expecting many people to take it as I will drive ‘my 5 miles’ to fish, golf, walk etc.

It sounded reasonable to me – a more measured, cautious adaptation of the English plan with the continued (very sensible) lockdown on construction until a proper plan can be developed.

My main question has been raised above – when it refers to socialising with one other household, is it the same household you have to socialise with every time, or can you socialise with different households, one at a time?

Sensible guidance on the travelling to excercise – it stops everyone in Glasgow rushing up to Loch Lomond the weekend after next.

Greggs open in England?

No but the factory has been doing test run in preparation.

But the English one was criticised about a week ago. Delivery may be better with Scotland but the concept is the same.

Yes it was and now it seems in Scotland it’s fine because they’re giving a bit notice.

@bruneep

next door is a member at Aboyne golf club 29.4 miles from house to GC. Therefore can I drive to Aboyne and ride there?

Please keep off Aboyne golf course. Some of us are running through there…

Yes it was and now it seems in Scotland it’s fine because they’re giving a bit notice.

It’s being done differently though. A gradual relaxation of the rules, rather than England’s “you can drive wherever you want to do whatever you want”.

A line needs to be drawn somewhere and, in this case, it’s a circle of roughly 5 miles radius.

where do you get this 5 mile radius from?

Tell that to Jimmy Krankie, she berated the hell out of the ‘English plan’ and said we’re doing our own thing because the English plan is irresponsible.

Misogyny aside, it’s quite different to the English relaxation, as explained above.

There’s little difference in the new rules but it’s crucially got a period of notice so that workplaces and schools can draw up plans, see what works and pull things back if infections go up or things cannot be implemented. This is a huge difference compared to what Boris did.

I hope Wales follows the Scottish lead on this, preferably after the bank holiday is done.

where do you get this 5 mile radius from?

From when I was watching the announcement on TV and she told us we could only go roughly five miles from the house. It’s in the document she published at the same time. Page 39

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making-scotlands-route-map-through-out-crisis/

where do you get this 5 mile radius from?

Scot Gov COVID framework
Page 39: Phase 1 is : “Permitted to travel short distances for outdoor leisure and exercise but advice to stay within a short distance of your local community (broadly within 5 miles) and travel by walk, wheel and cycle where possible. “

richmtb

Reported cases only really reflects testing though.

Do you have any current data for the number of tests carried out in each country? I couldn’t find anything up to date at all.

If you have to walk or cycle that’s not travelling to exercise, that’s exercising.

Page 42 Sport, culture
and leisure
activities

Unrestricted outdoors
exercise adhering to
distancing measures.
Non-contact, outdoor
activities in your local
areas e.g. golf, hiking,
canoeing, outdoor
swimming, angling.

So hiking and outdoor swimming in and around the suburbs of Aberdeen it is then, hoping that the local neds adhere to the non contact mugging rules

So if you live in England can you drive to Scotland now? What does the actual legislation say?

It’s interesting that it’s being interpreted as “travel up to five miles to start your exercise” rather than “stay within five miles of your house during your exercise”. The latter would be an increase in restrictions rather than a decrease for many.

Also, bear in mind that there aren’t so many roads in bits of Scotland. Staying within five miles of your house is very different in the highlands compared to Glasgow.

So if you live in England can you drive to Scotland now? What does the actual legislation say?

You can drive to the border and then you have to stay within 5 miles of it.

So if you live in England can you drive to Scotland now? What does the actual legislation say?

You can drive to the border and then you have to stay within 5 miles of it.

Yep, pretty straightforward eh? 🙂

Staying within five miles of your house is very different in the highlands compared to Glasgow.

Assuming the majority of people play by the rules, your chances of meeting someone who’s in a position to either infect you or enforce those rules is similarly remote.

That’s why it says “broadly” and “local area” to allow for a bit of leeway in enforcement.

Of course, nobbers will take advantage of that.

You can drive to the border and then you have to stay within 5 miles of it.

Only if you live right next to the border. It’s five miles from your house. Broadly.

Delivery may be better with Scotland but the concept is the same.

Only in so much as its a gradual lifting – the detail is very different ie stay local not travel where you want to.

I’m guessing the 5 mile thing is for ‘leisure journeys’. Plenty will be driving further than that for work. In my new house I’d starve if I could only travel 5 miles – that or chase the local sheep around with a bit of ambition and lust in my eyes.

Also, bear in mind that there aren’t so many roads in bits of Scotland. Staying within five miles of your house is very different in the highlands compared to Glasgow.

As ever, the guidance has been written by people in Edinburgh / Glasgow who don’t realise that there is a population outside of cities. ‘local area’ can have a very different meaning to people in rural locations. I, for example, have been driving 20 – 25 minutes each way every week throughout the ‘lockdown’ for food because that’s where my local supermarkets are. To confuse things even more, the journey includes crossing the border in to England. I consider all of that, and more, my local area.

The miles seems to be advice. Yeah good luck with that.

the miles seems to be advice. Yeah good luck with that.

I for one will not be sticking to that. I’ll maintain social distancing and be very sensible and discrete but I am quite definitely going to drive further than that for a decent run in the hills. I’m quite happy to go back to work and face whatever risks there are there but I resent being told simultaneously that I can’t engage in my much safer leisure activities.

Yes, it does smack of rules designed in and for the central belt.

I suspect that everyone is going to start driving to exercise on my local hill now, which leaves me in a bit of a dilemma. Under normal circumstances I wouldn’t go there at busy times anyway. I’d usually stick the MTB in the car and drive the 30-50 miles to get somewhere remote where I can ride all day without seeing a soul. But that’s still not on, so do I join the crowds on my local hill or don my hair shirt and ride round in circles near my house feeling all virtuous?

Very good spin. Ignore the guidance. How responsible

You do understand its about giving a simple message? If everyone does as you do then there is no point in any distancing or any policy to ameliorate this

rover[pig – a bit of imagination? We have been finding stuff to do near our house – mainly walking not cycling but its astonishing what you can find away from the crowds with a bit of imagination

Lucky – thats fine hence the “local area” which as yo rightly say is different in different parts of the country

Very good spin. Ignore the guidance. How responsible

Disapprove away. Your disapproval flows off me like water off a duck’s back. My actions will bring no risk to anyone so my conscience is clear.

If everyone was in a position to do and did exactly what I will be doing there will be no issue whatsoever.

Yes, imagination was fun for a couple of weeks, but I guess my imagination is not as great as I thought 🙂

I tell you what TJ, I’ll cycle the 30 miles to where I was planning to run and that will make everything OK because I haven’t driven and the recommendation is about driving!

Spin – that is not the guidance. The guidance is clear. Stay local “broadly” within 5 miles no matter how you travel.

Your actions do increase risk and why are you so special that the guidence does not apply to you?

its really simple – if everyone ignores the guidance then lockdown will have to be reinstated because infections will rise. If you can drive 30 miles to exercise then why can’t everyone?

To be fair to Spin, what the 5 miles is trying to do is stop what is happening down here with the well known tourist hotpots getting deluged. If only those from 5 miles or closer had been allowed to get to Perrenporth beach yesterday for example there would not have been the 500 hundred people all trying to use the beach and a queue 50 long for the toilet. What its is not trying really try to stop is an antisocial sod finding somewhere to be antisocial – that’s more of a byproduct.

I think the main thing is if you are going to go rogue in an attempt to be on your lonesome (rather than get to go to a hotspot) you do it with a bit of stealth and you don’t pop it on social media (or here).

I write this as someone in the very fortuitous position of having solitude out of my front door and I know how lucky I am.

Your actions do increase risk

How? I live in an area with very low rates of COVID-19, I’d be staying within the NHS/local authority area, I would be going to places I know to be very quiet and in all probability meeting no one and I would not be using any services or interacting with locals.

I think the main thing is if you are going to go rogue in an attempt to be on your lonesome (rather than get to go to a hotspot) you do it with a bit of stealth and you don’t pop it on social media (or here).

That’s exactly what I intend to do, I’m just venting a bit at this point! From an access to outdoor activities point of view this ‘relaxation’ essentially represents a minimum of another 7 weeks of the status quo.

@Spin I get it your heading in the opposite direction to the crowds but so will a lot of people.

I’ll bet there’s not one person here who isn’t tempted and who couldn’t build an case for why it’s different. But really, is that how it works? We either hope most folk are “sensible” enough to follow broad advice. Or we say **** it, it’s not designed specifically for me because I’m different so I’m doing what I want.

Good point @convert I’ve pretty much stuck to the rules so far, but still have Strava set to private. I’ll make my own decisions about what to do next and listen to all sides of the argument, but will refrain from talking about specifics I think.

Welsh version is here:

https://gov.wales/unlocking-our-society-and-economy-continuing-conversation

Came out a week ago and everyone ignored it

Nothing changes till next week.
Stay home, stay safe, don’t be a dick is still the message in Scotland.

Oh and teachers are working very hard if my kids schools are anything to go by.

It’s like nobody has read the actual guidance. Oh wait, it’s STW, of course they **** haven’t.

If you had bothered you would see they recognise there are geographical differences and there will not be a one size fits all approach. It’s all there in the very easy to read and understand PDF.

5 miles radius seems a bit crap but then they’ve never defined ‘local area’. As for being in a low infection area, that’s great until you’re the one that dragged it back with you through some unforseen event.

True @squirrelking was busy reading the education recovery document.

All seems quite sensible. Remains to be seen though if the general population shares the same trait. Potentially another 7 weeks to wait before putting the bike in car to take to decent trails.