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  • Easing of Scottish lockdown
  • poah
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52745643

    Teachers back to work in June with pupils having phased return with a mix of online/in class work.

    Can meet other people from other households keeping social distancing.

    In addition, people will be able to travel – preferably by walking or cycling – for recreation, although they will be asked to remain “where possible” within or close to their own local area.

    Premier Icon swavis
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    Excellent news. Plenty of time for teachers to plan and get things organised for a part time return to classes after the summer hol’s.

    Premier Icon Drac
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    Sounds very familiar.

    chrisdb
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    In addition, people will be able to travel – preferably by walking or cycling – for recreation, although they will be asked to remain “where possible” within or close to their own local area.

    Doesn’t sound particularly enforceable.

    Game on.

    Premier Icon P-Jay
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    Hopefully Wales will follow suit shortly, our Schools are in-line with English schools in terms of terms and they’re “hoping” to have some back this year.

    Premier Icon mashr
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    “small groups” could do with a bit of refining

    Oh, and I could rreeeaaalllyyy do with seeing some info about nurseries

    Sounds very familiar.

    Aye, just coming into line a couple of weeks after England, as predicted. Golf being allowed again will put a lot more people onto the shared paths around here, as the courses have been choc full of doggos recently.

    Edit – are Greggs open in England?

    Premier Icon DickBarton
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    Sounds very familiar.

    Thankfully, this isn’t a contest and seems to be the way things are happening everywhere to reduce lockdown…

    Premier Icon robbo1234biking
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    But the English one was criticised about a week ago. Delivery may be better with Scotland but the concept is the same.

    Premier Icon convert
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    Teachers back to work in June

    I wonder what that means. Teachers have been working but teaching/ setting/ marking and communication from home. I wonder if it actually means back working on site.

    But the English one was criticised about a week ago. Delivery may be better with Scotland but the concept is the same.

    Big difference is kids (apart from key worker kids) are not going into school until August in Scotland rather than from 1st June in England.

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    robbo1234biking
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    But the English one was criticised about a week ago. Delivery may be better with Scotland but the concept is the same.

    The english one was largely criticised for being confusing, and being too early. Scotland doesn’t seem to have the huge amount of the virus in the population as England does, so it might work out different. We’ll see I guess, still seems quick to me.

    Premier Icon scotroutes
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    11th August for pupils – and on a part-time basis.

    And that’s only on the basis that each Phase of lockdown lifting goes ahead supported by ongoing reductions in cases.

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Doesn’t sound particularly enforceable.

    No, but they are banking on some people breaking it but most people doing what they’re asked.

    Premier Icon scotroutes
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    “small groups” could do with a bit of refining

    Phase 1 is one other household, outdoors only, still distancing.

    It said school kids transitioning – from nursery to P1 and from primary to secondary – would be prioritised. Thank Christ – someone else can have a shot at looking after my daughter (due to go to school in August)!

    Premier Icon scotroutes
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    It would appear that magic tennis balls are also available in Scotland.

    Premier Icon mashr
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    Phase 1 is one other household, still distancing.

    But also “in small groups” so big families can/can’t meet up? Don’t think it’ll affect me but it’s still vague

    No, but they are banking on some people breaking it but most people doing what they’re asked.

    She also stated that “rule #1 still applies”

    It would appear that magic tennis balls are also available in Scotland.

    Not like those evil gates in Englandshire….

    Premier Icon matt_outandabout
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    Sounds very familiar.

    Apart from the very different timescale, the fact that they have committed to allow industries to have time to plan ahead (e.g. under this phase construction can plan and organise without full opening of sites, schools can allow teacher back on site for preparation etc) and the fact that Nicola ended with a nice gentle version of ‘dinnae be breaking Rule No.1, or I’ll wind the lot of ye back in.’

    Premier Icon matt_outandabout
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    Thank Christ – someone else can have a shot at looking after my daughter (due to go to school in August)!

    mrs_oab is next to me planning EY transitions into school for her LA….

    Premier Icon P-Jay
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    But the English one was criticised about a week ago. Delivery may be better with Scotland but the concept is the same.

    The English one was largely criticised for being confusing, and being too early. Scotland doesn’t seem to have the huge amount of the virus in the population as England does, so it might work out different. We’ll see I guess, still seems quick to me.

    As I understand it, Wales and Scotland have a different set of Challenges to England. Because of our sparser Populations the Virus didn’t spread as far or wide. You could argue that lock-down came too late for England, but not for us.

    The challenge here is similar to the one New Zealand faced, it’s possible, even with people travelling for work from others parts of the UK etc that we may eradicate the Virus, but unlike NZ if we lifted the Lock-down here, there would be a sudden influx of People from denser populated parts of the UK causing a local second-wave (you might even argue a first wave)

    By waiting a few weeks for things to come more under control in England (and dodging 2 BH weekends). Makes that less likely.

    Also, lets be Honest, if you were part of the SNP in Scotland, or Labour in Wales any opportunity to show the Tories in England to be reckless and more concerned about Money than People wouldn’t be wasted.

    retro83
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    Northwind

    Scotland doesn’t seem to have the huge amount of the virus in the population as England does, so it might work out different. We’ll see I guess, still seems quick to me.

    Seems like most the UK is about the same and Wales for whatever reason is higher.

    Cases
    England  260/100,000
    Scotland 271/100,000
    Wales    404/100,000
    NI       245/100,000

    That’s according to the NY Times
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/united-kingdom-coronavirus-cases.html#states

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    lockdown came too late for us as well. No doubt but hindsight is 20/20 We have had at least as high infection rates as England have we not?

    From what I have seen folk are sticking to the rules / applying them sensibly here by and large – compared to what I have heard of in England

    Seems to me like this roadmap is reasonably clear and thus hopefully easier to stick to

    Sounds very familiar.

    …apart from the addition of a weeks notice and the 48 page explanatory pamphlet explaining the detail of what she just said.

    Premier Icon scotroutes
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    But also “in small groups”

    Ah- this bit?

    derms
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    Massive difference is scotland can’t go travel wherever they want for excercise. have to stay in own local area. as well as this there are extremely clear rules and timeframes for each step and announced well in advance. I dont think its that ‘similar’ in this regard

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    @scotroutes
    Page 39 under “Seeing family and friends”

    More outdoor activity permitted – such as being able to sit in the park, as long as physically distanced.
    Meeting up with another household outdoors, in small numbers, including in gardens, but with physical distancing required

    Doesn’t say whether it’s 1 other household or 1 other household at a time though.

    Spin
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    The thing I don’t see mentioned in this thread so far is that in the first phase the travel for exercise is described as:

    Permitted to travel short distances for outdoor leisure and exercise but advice to stay within a short distance of your local community (broadly within 5 miles) and travel by walk, wheel and cycle where possible.

    So massively more restricted than England.

    Premier Icon rugbydick
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    So massively more restricted than England.

    It’s almost like it’s a well thought out easing of the restrictions, rather than a free for all…

    Spin
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    It’s almost like it’s a well thought out easing of the restrictions, rather than a free for all…

    I think there’s quite a lot of room between the travel free for all in England and stay within 5 miles of your house for another 7 weeks minimum in Scotland. It’s not really a relaxation at all.

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    so its OK to drive 30 miles to hit a wee white ball but not to drive 30miles and cycle somewhere

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    Seems like most the UK is about the same and Wales for whatever reason is higher.

    Cases
    England 260/100,000
    Scotland 271/100,000
    Wales 404/100,000
    NI 245/100,000

    Reported cases only really reflects testing though.

    That link also included per capita deaths:

    DEATHS PER 100,000

    England
    57
    Scotland
    40
    Wales
    39
    Northern Ireland
    27

    I’m personally happy with taking a slightly more cautious approach

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    It would appear that magic tennis balls are also available in Scotland.

    Larry_Lamb
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    Thankfully, this isn’t a contest and seems to be the way things are happening everywhere to reduce lockdown…

    Tell that to Jimmy Krankie, she berated the hell out of the ‘English plan’ and said we’re doing our own thing because the English plan is irresponsible.

    Then caves and realises it wasn’t such a bad plan and the best thing to do is align them because its better for the public and the science advise is the same received for all 4 nations (SAGE advises them all).

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    Seems like most the UK is about the same and Wales for whatever reason is higher.

    ‘We’ had been told it was because we were so hot on Testing here in Wales… certainly at the start it looked as if Newport was a huge hot spot of Covid, but it proved not to be the case, we just tested more there.

    Looking at the data now though, it seems the ‘Deaths by 100k’ figure is pretty high in Wales too.

    Massive differences per region though, some of the more remote places have very low figures.

    so its OK to drive 30 miles to hit a wee white ball but not to drive 30miles and cycle somewhere

    I’d be astonished if at least 90% of the population of Scotland didn’t live within 5 miles of a golf course.

    Where did you get 30 miles from?

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    It’s all being done fantastically better in Scotland obvs
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-52747041
    I don’t think anyone is really listening. Once England’s rules relaxed that was it as far as Scotland was concerned from what I could see.

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    next door is a member at Aboyne golf club 29.4 miles from house to GC. Therefore can I drive to Aboyne and ride there?

    poah
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    Tell that to Jimmy Krankie, she berated the hell out of the ‘English plan’ and said we’re doing our own thing because the English plan is irresponsible.

    Phase one isn’t much different what we actually have the now. That is totally different to what England have done.

    p.s. really mature calling the first minister Jimmy Krankie.

    next door is a member at Aboyne golf club 29.4 miles from house to GC. Therefore can I drive to Aboyne and ride there?

    Therefore he can’t drive to play there would be the inference i would have taken.

    If I was a member at Augusta National then it wouldn’t be OK for me to get on the next plane to Georgia, would it?

    A line needs to be drawn somewhere and, in this case, it’s a circle of roughly 5 miles radius.

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