Donald! Trump!

Its the undecided voters she needs

To be undecided at this stage, after 9 years of the man demonstrating his unsuitability, IS to be a mouth breather.

I’m not so sure, Trump on his own, I predict will fall apart and resort to sound bites, fist pumping, etc.

All Kamala has to do is be honest, coherent, and maybe put a slight and well timed dig at him, and it’s game over for trump.

To be undecided at this stage, after 9 years of the man demonstrating his unsuitability, IS to be a mouth breather.

Yeah, it would be like the UK voting Lizz truss back in…

At this point, it’s just about motivating/demotivating “your” voters to go and vote (or not).

Nobody is switching who they vote for, and I don’t believe there are any “undecideds” – it’s just about convincing people to/not-to bother.

Harris has been hugely successful in that regard – potential Dem voters who were feeling really demotivated at the prospect of voting for Biden, are now really enthusiastic at the prospect of voting for somebody else.

With Trump – I dunno.  I feel like there must be a huge number of people who would never vote democrat, but that also don’t particularly like trump – if those people can be convinced not to bother. I think it’s in the bag.

Also:  I feel like Americans view politics as some kind of wierd team sport – they want their team to win, but more precisely, they want to be on the winning team.  I know “underdog effect” is real, but if Trump looks like he’s going to lose, I think his supporters may not race to be on the losing side.

Im not sure ‘huge’ is the best descriptive of the Trump supporters.

Sure they get several hundred at each rally, but even multiplying a few hundred by 50 is pretty small compared against the vast numbers of Americas population.

Trump supporters tbh look like a cross section of the weirdos who totally believe conspiracy theories. They’re not a representation of Republican votership.

Look to the last election here in the UK. Where quite a number of those who previously voted Conservative, voted for Labour, and I can quite see that happening in the US

Am i the only one that just heard Trump suggest that Harris would allow abortion “probably after birth”?

Trump seems to be melting down, he just got called on the immigrants eating people’s pets lie.

The guys a nut job where actually having fits watching, I think he has mental health problems.

Trump seems to be melting down, he just got called on the immigrants eating people’s pets lie.

But to be fair he did say that he saw someone on TV claiming they had, so he can’t be blamed 🙂

Thing with Trump is that he’s had decades of experience bullshitting people as a marketing tool. He’s good at picking up cues from his audience about what they like to hear and then just making shit up to push those buttons. The “lock her up” thing started like that, crowds at his rallies started chanting it so he just went with it. Problem is, when he doesn’t have an audience that likes his bullshit, he doesn’t know how to respond so he just ends up ranting nonsense about windmills and electrified sharks and immigrants eating people’s pets.

His repetitive “I’ve done it better than anyone before” to every question just highlights his obsessive narcissism.

Can’t believe how lightly challenged his bullshit is.

I was wondering that.. He just can’t string a sentence together… And then went on some wierd tangent about immigrants eating cats or something… The guy is proper nuts.

CNN has a preliminary fact check at 33-1. I’ll let you guess who is 33 lies.

I was a little disappointed that the mods did not stop his bullshit. But he just made himself look even more insane so, good I guess. Harris didn’t do as well as I hoped but better than I feared. At least she managed to get some policy plans out there. And didn’t cite Fox as reputable sources of info on fact checking!

Unfortunately I don’t think that debate will be enough.  Trump met expectations which is all he needed to do.  I was hoping for literal dribbling and possible incontinence because I honestly believe that is all that would have shifted the polling numbers in any meaningful way.

Betting markets have given Harris a 5% bump (currently at 51.8%) but I doubt it will last unless there is something from the debates they can use that I missed.  Or maybe some other angle of attack.

Still a toss up but in any toss-up I just assume it’s not going to go my way.

The world’s fate hangs on the decision of a couple of hundred thousand morons in Pennsylvania..

But he just made himself look even more insane

TBH how insane do people need him to be before they realise that he lost the plot way back 🙂

I always remember the President in Judge Dredd (2000AD)who started the nuclear war (President Booth)and worry.

Taylor Swift is publicly endorsing KH, if only 14 year olds could vote…

Swifties are old enough.

“45% are millennials, 23% are baby boomers, 21% are Generation X, and 11% are Generation Z.” Wiki

Am i the only one that just heard Trump suggest that Harris would allow abortion “probably after birth”?

He’s made that statement quite a few times but I don’t think anyone has asked him to explain what he actually means.

CNN has a preliminary fact check at 33-1. I’ll let you guess who is 33 lies.

I was a little disappointed that the mods did not stop his bullshit.

The problem for presenters, interviewers and journalists etc is – theres just so much bullshit. There simply isn’t the time and space to challenge him on lie 1 becuase before you can do that lies 2,3 and 4 have happened. I forget which of the post Trump presidency documentaries it was  but it showed the newsroom of one of the US broadsheets and the phenomenal workload Trump created. In the context of him being President and therefore every statement he made being and official statement the had to do their due dilliegence in checking everything they published. “I’m going to build a beauiful wall and Mexico is going to pay for it” – to publish that you have to work out who in ‘Mexico’ he might mean, contact them, give them the right to reply and so on. His ‘official’ lies ran into the 10s of 1000s and all of them had to be check in detail just to be able to say truthfully that they were a lie. In his recent Mar a Lago press conference is lie rate was more 2 a minute for over an hour.

I got in the mood for the debate by watching ‘Civil War’ last night.

I was a little disappointed that the mods did not stop his bullshit.

That’s Kamala Harris’ job, she won’t have mods in the WH

Unfortunately I don’t think that debate will be enough

+1 Historically they don’t effect change (apart from in JB’s case). The fact is that most people have decided, anyone waiting for a decision this late is either waiting to understand KH a little more or won’t ever decide

The swift endorsement is a big boost for Harris.  Not only is she hugely popular but she is also seen as thoughtful and clever

Seems like the debate went well for Harris

I do not believe Trump to be mentally ill as such – he is a narcissistic psychopath ie a personality disorder

Swifties are old enough.

“45% are millennials, 23% are baby boomers, 21% are Generation X, and 11% are Generation Z.” Wiki

Yeah – the fact that she’s encouraging people to vote alongside her endorsement is hugely powerful.

The debate wasn’t particularly meaningful (beyond the fact that Harris did a good job compared to Biden) – but Swift’s endorsement is yuuuuge.

Kid Rock on fox news in 3….2…..1

Quite enjoying the comparisons between Trumps performance and Stefon from SNL – with his review of nightclubs that have ‘everything’ illustrated with a list things that sit outside the the sphere of ‘everything’

Taylor Swift is publicly endorsing KH

And CatTurd is endorsing Trump so that’s got the have-no-life-in-the-real-world middle-aged male Twitter shitposters who live in their mum’s basement sewn up.

Iirc swift endorsed biden in 2020, and so her endorsement for another democrat isn’t going to shift the dial much as her support is probably factored in already.

But I think her encouragement to her fans to register and vote is more important. I mean they might all turn out to be maga cheerleaders, but I doubt it

I got in the mood for the debate by watching ‘Civil War’ last night.

It would be interesting to see where the budget for civil war came from. The idea of civil war in the US is apparently one of the main messages for putins propaganda machine (and probably also aided the promotion of the far right riots in the UK). For a while I have thought the idea of conspiracies like government cabals working against the people being so popular in Hollywood and television over the past 15-20 years, has primed people to more readily accept conspiracy theories. Surely propogandists have realised that getting their message into popular culture as well as seeding news channels and political commentators would be highly effective.

It would be interesting to see where the budget for civil war came from

DNA Films – The folk who produced Trainspotting, 28 Days Later, Love Actually etc and IRV.VC which is a Finnish asset fund that invests pension capital in film and tv projects.

Civil War isn’t really about imagining a civil war  as imagining how to report such and eventuality – the war it imagines is actually quite disconnected from the current political divisions in the US – but it imagines a US just as divided. In the film for instance Texas and California are allied as the ‘Western Forces’ but those two states probably sit at the two poles of the current divisions. I don’t think a contemporary US viewer would see either side of the conflict it represents and say to themselves ‘thats my side’.

Thats not to say theres no Russian driver behind division in the US or anywhere else but I’d say in this instance the film is holding a mirror up to that rather than driving it. I don’t think Russian bots are behind a Handmaids Tale either, although they’re not doubt amplifying those kinds of narratives too.

The problem for presenters, interviewers and journalists etc is – theres just so much bullshit. 

The problem is that they’re not allowed.

The debates are set up with a plethora of rules that the host channel and presenter has to agree to. One of those rules is not cutting in. Crazy.

Guardian podcast…. Mehdi Hassan on how to beat Donald Trump in a debate

For a while I have thought the idea of conspiracies like government cabals working against the people being so popular in Hollywood and television over the past 15-20 years, has primed people to more readily accept conspiracy theories

It’s basically enshrined in the constitution – The Second Amendment pretty much defines the government as an entity that civilians need to be ready to defend themselves against. So the idea of the government, or elements of the government, being a shadowy and dishonest entity  is pretty much an American staple in its fiction for ever.

sounds like Harris did manage to get under his skin and cause him to get angry and lose focus

Trump’s ill-discipline cost him, he cant stay on message, just gets ranty and Harris was able to exploit that (he really is too old)

His thing about immigrants eating cats just weird (tho will probably work with the more far gone MAGA)

This debate was Harris’s to lose and she didnt

also an aside Taylor Swift has come out for Harris, not really a surprise as she’d endorsed biden last time round, but shes friends with some MAGA influencers and  been supicously quiet about who she might endorse lately.

From a sales point of view she will alienate some Republicans by supporting Harris and she’s obviously a  smart business woman

The funniest thing is that she was forced to speak out by the likes of JD Vance slagging her off (she signed off as a childless cat lady) and Trump using AI fakes saying she endorsed him, which she also referenced in her post

(predictably musk spat his dummy and replied in a predictably creepy way!)

this was an interesting it of research, though obviously trump vs biden not trump vs harris

https://english.elpais.com/usa/elections/2024-03-03/who-do-taylor-swift-fans-vote-for-a-breakdown-of-swifties-by-gender-age-and-ideology.html#

Based on the previous data, and also from this survey: 15% of Democrats and 4% of Republicans directly recognize that if Taylor Swift supports someone, it will make them more likely to vote for that person.

To be fair Musk has got so many kids he could give one away and probably not notice. Not sure Swift would want a second hand Musk though.

First time I’ve read Taylor Swifts announcement – calm, rational, sensible, clear and reasoned. Quite impressive from her and her team.

The encouragement to do research on the issues and candidates to inform your choice was a nice touch.

Trump’s ill-discipline cost him, he cant stay on message, just gets ranty

To a great extent the rants have served him well – his advisors try to feed policy and strategy to him, but Trumps political success boils down to him being a one trick pony – He’s the guy that hates all the things that you hate. Just saying what it is he hates or that he thinks other people hate – thats it. Works.

Morecash – whatever you think of Swifts music it is clear she is an intelligent woman

Sadly after a ‘normal’ Trump performance without totally imploding – my money is now on him winning. Not the popular vote, but getting over the line never the less.

Sadly after a ‘normal’ Trump performance without totally imploding – my money is now on him winning. Not the popular vote, but getting over the line never the less.

Same here, unfortunately.

I think this is the source of “immigrants eating cats” misinformation…

Local resident who clearly has some issues has killed and eaten a cat. Right wing agitators and conspiracy theorists incorrectly call her a haitian immigrant, gets amplified on social media, Trump believes it, then appears in a debate saying “immigrants are eating the pets!”.

I am hopeful.  I think Harris has the ability to motivate folk to vote who usually do not.  Swifts endorsement will help with that.  these folk do not really show up in polling.  I also think Trumps rantings will put off dyed in the wool republicans who are not MAGA nutjobs

Fingers crossed