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    kormoran
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    It’s actually pretty incredible how the assassination attempt is already old news

    I was actually going to type this but pressed submit to soon! Yes, nobody seems to be talking about it, despite it being an utterly outrageous act. To be fair, I’ve not really thought much about it either, the spotlight is firmly on harris now

    I know I’m probably late to the party here, but does trump have anything at all that is a positive vision for the future? Something you could actually get behind, or look at objectively and say, yes that’s a good idea. It seems he has nothing but grievance.

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    Poopscoop
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    I know I’m probably late to the party here, but does trump have anything at all that is a positive vision for the future?

    Grabbing at straws here but I do share his deep suspicion of China but then as usual, he undermines himself by basically saying the US wouldn’t support Taiwan if it was invaded.

    In addition, for all his tough talk in China, all he really did was slap a few tariffs on them. Hardly going to curtail any territorial ambitions they might have.

    Erm… that’s about it for me I think? So actually, I don’t really even agree with him in China really. Lol

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    dyna-ti
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    It’s actually pretty incredible how the assassination attempt is already old news

    I think that shows how much he is disliked outwith his own worshipers. And perhaps from that how many privately though ‘Damn, Missed’

    thols2
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    It’s actually pretty incredible how the assassination attempt is already old news

    Over the last few years I’ve often come to the office after being away for a week or two and found my browser tabs still open to some Trump scandal that has been overtaken by newer scandals and seems like ancient history already.

    kormoran
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    I think that shows how much he is disliked outwith his own worshipers

    Yep, I kind of felt that too. Like, yeah whatever.

    Or maybe shooting ls in the us don’t elicit the same response as they would here

    The guy saying the other day that it was shrapnel rather than a bullet was the last I’ve heard on it. Very little recognition of the poor guy killed in the stand.

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    kormoran
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    It seems to me the only way trump gets the headlines, and potentially the momentum back, is by saying dumb, offensive or just downright stupid things. He doesn’t have anything else.

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    Poopscoop
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    Oh, another advantage Harris has is that she and the Dems already know Trumps running mate pick. It’s fair to say Vance hadnt quite been the roaring success Trump and his team might have hoped for.

    More importantly, the Dems can now choose a running mate best placed to counteract the Trump/ Vance combo. Vance doesn’t broaden Trumps appeal in the slightest but Harris can choose a running mate to broaden her appeal. A person seen as more conservative perhaps, or rather simplistically, a white male… so as not to scare the horses.

    Trump is stuck with Vance, if he ditches him the fundamentalist Christians will hate him, it also makes him look weak… and boy, Trump doesn’t like that look at all.

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    PrinceJohn
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     It seems he has nothing but grievance.

    I think this cuts through to quite a few voters who see him as someone who is pissed off with how things are so he will change them. No idea what that change might be – but he’s like me he’s angry, not telling me how much better things can be.

    Much like Reform & Brexit.

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    pothead
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    In addition, for all his tough talk in China, all he really did was slap a few tariffs on them

    Which are paid by the Americans who import things from China

    nickc
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    It’s actually pretty incredible how the assassination attempt is already old news

    I was chatting to the neighbour behind my house about his pointing a couple of evenings ago, and he casually said during one part of the convo, “I heard he was shot, is that right?” when we were talking obliquely about the US election. For some folks, it’s not just old news, but is in fact; just news.

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    stevenmenmuir
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    It would help Trump if there was any evidence he’d actually been shot but he doesn’t even have a scabby lug.

    oldnpastit
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    In addition, for all his tough talk in China, all he really did was slap a few tariffs on them

    My employer is ramping up production of a thing designed in China, but it’s going to be manufactured in Thailand specifically to get around these tariffs. They are definitely having an effect.

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    mashr
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    Very little recognition of the poor guy killed in the stand.

    That’s likely intentional. The various twitter posts from him that folk pulled up had him in a fairly rampant MAGA type camp

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    I think there are two things at play here. Traditional media has figured out how to report on Trump: They highlight the bad things he says and does and report the other stuff like he’s a regular guy. But they also don’t try to maintain the balance similarly. They’re not looking for something negative (except Fox) to say about Kamala. I’ve seen that she’s getting mostly positive reporting in the current news cycle.

    The other is that Trump is somewhat hoised by his own media-baiting petard. The typically short attention span of people these days with news used to work in his favor. Now it’s just “oh, look, Trump said something stupid again.” He’s old news, so to speak. In 2016, he was a fresh idea to drain the swamp of established political dynasties. Now he’s just some old rambling orange man, who shits his pants, can’t remember who he’s talking about, and keeps shouting at clouds. And the guy that’s supposed to be helping him is off getting carnal with the sexy-looking sofa at American Furniture Warehouse.

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    maccruiskeen
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    The election is a fair way off but it’s difficult to see how trump regains the momentum he seemed to have a couple of weeks ago. Biden stepping aside has taken the wind out of his sails.

    The thing that has perhaps impacted him the most possibly – is the Supreme Court’s immunity decision.

    It seems like a long time ago now – but there was a time when Trump had pretty much tanked – post election/ Jan 6th, with no Twitter account for his minute by minute brain farts,, his ‘From the Desk of Donald Trump’ newsletters that no-one was interested in, his endorsements of candidates that seemed to pretty much guarantee defeat. He was done.

    The thing that seemed to turn things around for him was the documents raid at Mar a Lago – the more legal misfortunes, the more victimhood he could project, the more cases and money he lost, the more his stock seemed to rise. The ‘state’ was conspiring against him

    But he blamed Biden for the whole witch-hunt thing – and Biden is now not there to blame. And the Presidential Immunity thing – even though he’s been campaigning for it, and even though it actually doesnt get him off most of the hooks he’s on – just bursts the whole victimhood bubble. He’s got judges and justices rolling out a red carpet for him. The ‘state’ is conspiring with him.

    His ‘if they can do it to me they can do it to you’ schtick suddenly rings a little hollow.

    maccruiskeen
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    I know I’m probably late to the party here, but does trump have anything at all that is a positive vision for the future?

    He never has had. His vision for the presidency is to win the presidency – its a popularity contest in his eyes and he feels he deserves to win it. Thats it.. He wants to do that now in particular because it would be revenge for having lost a popularity contest . During the 2020 campaign in an interview he was asked exactly that  – asked what his ambitions for a second term as president were. He just rambled on about no other president in history being treated as unfairly as him……. and that was it. He had absolutely nothing on offer for a second term other that observe that up til now people hadn’t been nice enough to him even though he was president

    And he hasn’t anything on offer now – just a bunch of mostly empty threats (and some that need to be taken seriously) about revenge and retribution – for him. And him only. He has no vision for the country, nothing to offer the voters who vote for him, other than the spectacle of him getting revenge.

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    franksinatra
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    He has no vision for the country, nothing to offer the voters who vote for him, other than the spectacle of him getting revenge.

    That is why he has no policy, no strategy, no plan. He honestly doesn’t give a shit about the future and certainly nothing beyond the next four years. He simply doesn’t care, he just wants to be re-elected for himself, its nothing to do with the country or even the party. He is a narcissist, dictionary definition narcissist.

    gobuchul
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    I’ve been watching clips of the black journalist interviews.

    Absolute car crash after car crash,

    I really think he’s lost the plot.

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    Poopscoop
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    As someone with a penile implant… I think trump might need a follow up visit with his consultant…

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    Del
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    the mad thing is that the dildo through his head is not the oddest thing about that discourse.

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    thols2
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    kormoran
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    That dildo misses his brain by inches.

    I know it’s a clip and all that but I’m struggling to put the words he’s saying into any sort of context.  Hes basically a what 3 words random generator

    Caher
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    I’ve been watching clips of the black journalist interviews.

    Watched that too, the US obsession with race seems to go one way. Trump’s of Germanic stock I believe – he’s certainly not a native American.

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    funkmasterp
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    I’m staggered that the Democrats tactic of calling him weird is making the news. Did people not realise how **** odd the man is? It took a public campaign for some people to go “shit, yeah! He’s a bit strange” FFS he’s bright orange, has the craziest hair I’ve ever seen, always seems to be wearing another mans suit and talks absolute bobbins!

    davy-g
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    judge rejects Trumps efforts to dismiss case…. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6p22n0z5m2o

    maccruiskeen
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    I’m staggered that the Democrats tactic of calling him weird is making the news.

    Its actually quite and interesting tactical shift. Perhaps previous efforts gave too much validity to Trump, grouping Trump together with other right-wing forces in America and treating them as a valid threat. The ‘weird’ tactic and the way it’s being deployed instead singles Trump out as oddity distinct from the broader republican movement, which of course he is. Their campaign now makes a distinction between Trump and republican voters – denigrating him without alienating them. You of course have to win people over to win. The ‘weird’ thing isn’t just in the word, its in the delivery – Walz who coined the term delivered it with a chuckle, its dismissive but not inflammatory, its not adding to the polarised atmosphere becuase at the same time he’s incredibly conciliatory to republican voters. Something both he and Harris have in common in the campaign is they seem to smile and laugh a lot  – and that comes along with a very interesting observation from Walz – when have you ever seen Trump actually laugh?

    Trump in his own way is playing right into that, partly by rage tweeting nonsense about Biden conspiring to seize back the democratic nomination from ‘Kambala’ but also with his ‘you’ll never need to vote again’ plea to rightwing christians.

    You could read that as him signalling the end of democracy in the US – but I think what he’s really expressing his same selfish ambition- he’s running again for no reason other than to go out as a ‘winner’. As it stands his legacy is a loser and sore one at that, if he can win in November he corrects that record- what happens over the 4 years that follow? He doesn’t care. When he says you don’t have to vote again – he maybe just means you don’t have to vote again for him. He’s got no care about whether anyone votes for the Republican Party in future, he’s not got any successor lined up to carry forward any political legacy he has, he’s dismissed Vance as irrelevant to his campaign as the vote is only a referendum on him. He just wants to change the wikipedia entry from ‘loser’ to ‘winner’.

    convert
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     When he says you don’t have to vote again – he maybe just means you don’t have to vote again for him.

    I was thinking this – as far he is concerned this is it. In his narcissistic world this is the last vote ever and that was the slip of the tongue.

    scuttler
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    He’s **** and his inevitable loss will consume him to a prompt grave. And I will laugh my tits off.

    maccruiskeen
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    NPR took the time to fact check the News Conference that Trump called at Mar-a-Lago recently. 

    They counted 162 incorrect statements is a 64 minute press conferences More than 2 a minute on average. Particularly impressive when you consider that it was a press conference rather than a speech  and therefore a proportion of that 64 minutes was people asking him the questions that his lies were the answers to

    During his term as president the Washington Post kept a tally of his publicly stated  lies while in office- recording over 30,000 of them across years. Which sounds like a lot, but only works out at as a trifling  20 or so a day. On his current form he could hit that 30,000 tally in just over a fortnight if he was prepared to put the hours in.

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    If you haven’t seen or heard the Trump interview with Musk, here is Brian Tyler Cohen’s take.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=926YNdAXQkI

    franksinatra
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    In the Musk interview Trump was doing that weird slurpy voice thing again. It sounds a little like he has had a stroke but I think it’s actually him sucking his false teeth back in.

    He hasn’t been campaigning in public at all. On Newsagents, Matlis was speculating that he might have PTSD from the shooting, or at the very best, be scared of big public rallies. I guess that’s kind of understandable.

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    mattyfez
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    Sit back and wait, I guess. There might be fireworks or a small fizzle.

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    dovebiker
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    Another reason for Trump’s lack of campaign rallies is that venue owners don’t want him as they still have a stack of unpaid bills from last time. He’s only left with outdoor venues that leave him exposed of shooters, but the secret service having messed up the last one, aren’t too keen.
    From a voter perspective, he only appeals to his MAGA fan-base and nothing to appeal to the swing voters who make up a third of voters, predominantly college-educated women and the momentum is already moving against him. Hoping for ritual humiliation.

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    kimbers
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    I’m pretty sure he did a big rally yesterday,  not seen any clips of his deranged ramblings yet (I’m trying to avoid twitter these days)

    He is really fkn old, I’m sure he’s waited on hand & foot, but intensive campaigning must take its toll

    futonrivercrossing
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    A small venue of 2500 apparently- nothing like the stadiums that Kamala is filling.

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    I guess even his fans are getting bored of hearing the same shit. He’s trotting out the same attacks on Harris as on Biden—nearly word for word. It’s the Old Boy remake no one asked for, and no one except the most loyal of MAGA **** wants. He’s also been flying around in Epstein’s plane, which is a great look for the Q (remember them?) weirdos who thought he would smash some international ring of child smugglers.

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    kormoran
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    It’s been touched on here but I also read on some US sites that he is struggling in lots of areas.

    He thought he was a shoe in against Biden, and that when your looking like winning it’s an easier ride. Now he actually has to put in the hard work, and maybe he just hasn’t got the energy now. He’s an old guy, he doesn’t have the intellect that can be deployed with elder statesman ease, and his schtick is 8 years old.

    On top of that, someone tried to slot him, which is going to have an enormous affect on pretty much anyone, and then to cap that, it turns out no one really cared. Who’d want to go out and put themself in the limelight when you know there’s folk who might try again?

    The slightest sniff that he’s not gonna make it without a struggle and he’s basically sod that for a game of soldiers

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    Poopscoop
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    I think there is just a lot of apathy around him. He doesn’t really shock anyone now, he hasn’t really got anywhere to go to outdo the absolute shit he’s been talking for years. People expect it now, it’s barely news worthy anymore other than in a “rolls eyes way”.

    It’s obvious he really, really doesn’t like Harris taking the limelight off him, ironically kick-started by the whole Biden stepping aside mess. It’s said often but it’s true, he’s a narcissist, hence why he’s obsessed with crowd sizes etc which are of no importance in the real world.

    I bet he’s a right bastard (even more so than usual) to work for/advise at the moment and I bet it’s utter chaos in his inner circle.

    Biden stepping down was an even better choice than we realised at the time.

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    dissonance
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    He thought he was a shoe in against Biden, and that when your looking like winning it’s an easier ride.

    Plus all his attack lines have now been flipped. They were risky enough as it was (trump accusing anyone of being incoherent was always a push) and now he is completely exposed.

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