oh and who mentioned hanging – firing squad issued with dum dums!

teej, lots of murderers get away with very soft sentances too mate.
and the family of the victims get a true life term…

but like you say, how do you decide.
i think some cases are open and shut.

hey ho, you win some you lose some!!

Dont kill them and you dont lose any.

What about people who are intellectually stunted, should they get it.

no as they have not killed – if they do – shoot em up!

teej, lots of murderers get away with very soft sentances too mate.
and the family of the victims get a true life term…

but like you say, how do you decide.
i think some cases are open and shut.

Thats a different debate, being anti murder doesnt mean soft on punishment.
The Guilford 4 was open and shut.

and the guilford four got out………
why are we bringing them into the picture.

and the guilford for got out………

They were convicted.

shoot em up!

DEATH PENALTY!

firing squad issued with dum dums!

KILL the bastards!

You seem to be getting into this a bit too much.

Because if we had the death penalty they would have been hung

grumm – Member

shoot em up!

DEATH PENALTY!

firing squad issued with dum dums!

KILL the bastards!

You seem to be getting into this a bit too much.

too right – eye for an eye

As would the Birmingham 6, and the bloke who didn't kill Rachel Nickell

ok, wrongly convicted people would have got executed.

but, what about the ones rightly convicted, of which there are many many more.

FFS weigh up number of concrete convictions Vs **** ups

If you have definitely killed – face the consequences

As would the Birmingham 6, and the bloke who didn't kill Rachel Nickell

All convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. All open and shut cases. All would be dead now.
The US proves its not a deterrent so what would be the benefit?

no

but, what about the ones rightly convicted, of which there are many many more.

So as long as we hanged more guilty than innocent then thats OK?

No

it's cheaper to let 'em rot for life in prison, preferably in isolation.

surfer, what would you do with the ones in my list then…?

So Rob – you are prepared to have innocent people hung? How about if it was your brother who was wrongly found guilty of murder? would you still be glad he was hung?

So Rob – you are prepared to have innocent people hung? How about if it was your brother who was wrongly found guilty of murder? would you still be glad he was hung?

collateral damage init!

teej, what if you knew he was a paedo child killer?

I say yes.. Peter was my wifes' Brother in Law…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/8355929.stm

He was stabbed 82 times.

The little scrote that did it, has refused to enter a plea.

We can not yet have the body to bury him, beacause the defence have asked for a 2nd opnion on the autopsy.

Same applies. I believe the death penalty is wrong.
1) I believe judicial killing is wrong on a philosophical basis
2) if you have the death penalty innocent people will be killed by it
3) it does not reduce murder rates.

TandemJeremy – Member

So Rob – you are prepared to have innocent people hung? How about if it was your brother who was wrongly found guilty of murder? would you still be glad he was hung?

Not got a brother so it is purely hypothetical 😉

TandemJeremy – Member

Same applies. I believe the death penalty is wrong.
1) I believe judicial killing is wrong on a philosophical basis
2) if you have the death penalty innocent people will be killed by it
3) it does not reduce murder rates.

Stops reoffending and serial killers

teej, what about justice for the families then??

NO

teej, lots of murderers get away with very soft sentances too mate.

They don't – it's just that those are the ones that get highlighted in the papers.

Very very few families of murder victims will ever be satisfied. All we can do is see that justice is done for all as best as we can.

Ton – you still haven't answered the question. How are you going to prevent miscarriages of justice as in the Guildford 4 – or are you prepared to accept innocent people being hung?

Stops reoffending and serial killers

How does it stop serial killers?
Would it have stopped Fred West to name one? He killed 12 before he was arrested. The death sentence wouldnt have helped numbers 2 to 12 and the lack of it didnt stop the 13th. Being arrested and detained did.

Cullen bay – what a load of twaddle. I have been inside prisons and they are extremely unpleasant places to be
Are you sure TJ?

Stops reoffending and serial killer
Can't argue with that Rob.

(& yes.)

Teej, I think it's apparent from ton's wildly wavering posts that he's simply trolling to try and wind up enlightened liberals.

ton, that's enough now don't you think? It's not even clever anymore.

TJ – you seem to be under the misapprehension that the guildford four were innocent…

TJ – you seem to be under the misapprehension that the guildford four were innocent…

Of course. The "eyes too close together" test.

deadlydarcy –
sorry………. 😳

teej…………sorry 😳

No.

Blimey.

TJ – you seem to be under the misapprehension that the guildford four were innocent…

again, blimey. 🙄

death does stop re-offending, there are cases of rapist going into prison, coming out and re-offending, so why can't that be the same for murderers? I just can't think of a case off the top of my head.

anyway, can we have another senario… (and this one has a basis in fact :?)

man walks into YOUR(hypothetical, dont worry 8O)childs school, kills children, and gets arrested.

Why waste resources in letting him live out a life in prison, when there is conclusive proof that he has murdered lots of people? Why not inject him with "the lethal injection" and do it the humane way.

TJ – you seem to be under the misapprehension that the guildford four were innocent…

well when they were released , had their conviction quashed and we gave them vast sums of money in compensation it did get me thinking a bit 🙄

No worries Ton. entertained me for a bit.

esselgruntfuttock -I have been in Pentonville and Saughton ( as staff honest) and they are nasty places to be IMO.