Colnago Concept and C64 / 60..?

I’m lusting after one of these (currently more leaning towards the Concept, as you can get a full bike build for a little over 4K euros).
Anyone own either or ridden either or .. know much about either from word of mouth?

Do tell where you can get one for that price…usually it’s that much for frame only. C64 for me please. Had a go on a C60…was the nicest thing I’ve thrown a leg over….

Do tell where you can get one for that price…usually it’s that much for frame only.

Concept is significantly cheaper than the C64 / C60. But yes, that’s about the price of the c64 frameset on a good day.

If you’re happy buying used, I’ve seen some veritable bargain C60’s for sale recently, as their owners inevitably upgrade to the C64… Spoke to a dealer recently, and he said that objectively, he actually prefers the ride of the C60 to the C64, though it’s splitting hairs for sure.

Don’t get me wrong, the Concept is nice, but it’s not a C60/64. I keep looking for a 52s C60 to replace my V1-R with, but for the small amount I actually use it, I can’t really justify it, and the V1-R is a bloody nice bike already too to be fair.

If you can hold on and have access to a shop that deals with the importer 2020 bike frames will be cheap around November/December time. My V2-R was a bit of a steal in early December 2019.

Don’t get me wrong, the Concept is nice, but it’s not a C60/64.

Both just different though? It looks like aero on the Concept is the main difference? With maybe a slight weight penalty too. I don’t have any of the weights, pretty sure I’d be a 48. Or are they both very different to ride…
I would be ordering online too as don’t know any local dealers for them.

The Italian made tube and lug construction of the CSeries frames is what sets them apart from the other more industry standard Eastern mould construction of the other frames, and is what makes them so unique – and with a heritage that links back to some of the coolest and most highly regarded historic frames such as the C40, with all their associated racing palmares. The more standard mould frames will tend to be lighter, stiffer and allow radical aero shapes if you want that sort of thing, but in some ways are very similar to what every other brand does albeit with some extra Cambiago sparkledust – The tube and lug ‘C’ construction tends to have the more exceptional ride quality, possibly due to the extra material in the lug overlap…so a bit more comfort and vibration damping.

Viva Italia.

Ive been lucky enough to own quite a few Colnago’s over the last few years as a friend is their UK brand manager and i used to build their team DI2 bikes for them

So ive had in the last 10 years Ive had

CLX 2.0 Ultegra (work bike)
CLX 3.0 Ultegra (work bike)
CLX 3.0 Ultegra DI2 X2 (work bike)
M10s Ultegra DI2
1992 Master Olympic Dura Ace
C59 Dura ace DI2
C59 DISC Ultegra DI2 (work bike)
2 C60 DISC, one Dura ace and one Ultegra DI2
C60 Campag super record

With the C range i only noticed a few very minor differences between the C59 and the C60

Main thing was less flex in the BB area due to the C60’s threadfit system making the BB shell much larger and stiffer

Ive put off upgrading to a C64 as im spending less time on the road bikes these days and the differences between the C60 and C64 are very minor so not worth upgrading for me at the moment

If you can afford it go for a C60 or C64, either 2nd hand or brand new

Keep an eye out on ebay for Windwave’s (Colnago’s UK distro) shop, they list frames now and again along with other parts

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/wind_wave/m.html?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEFSXS%3AMESOI&_trksid=p2053788.m1543.l2654

Here’s a couple of pics

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what size tyres will a C60 take?

C60 will take 25c

But be wary of causing damage to the fork arch

I had a team bike come back with 25c tyres fitted, it was a rim brake bike

Due to the small gap between the fork arch and the 25c tyre any stones stuck to the tyre got dragged through the fork arch damaging the paint and took slithers of alloy out of the underside of the brake caliper

Ive been lucky enough to own quite a few Colnago’s over the last few years as a friend is their UK brand manager and i used to build their team DI2 bikes for them

Thanks for that! Good tip. Yeah I think there’s about 250 grams weight difference between the C60 and C64 framesets.
Do you have any experience at all with the Concept? Funny how the Colnago website itself doesn’t give much info about it.

The more standard mould frames will tend to be lighter, stiffer and allow radical aero shapes if you want that sort of thing, but in some ways are very similar to what every other brand does albeit with some extra Cambiago sparkledust

Presume you are referring to the Concept. It does look slightly similar to other aero framesets on the market? That Cannondale jobby being one., what’s it 6… just a bit more sexy?!

Do you have any experience at all with the Concept

Sorry no Ive not ridden one or even worked on one

The Concept is their fast aero bike that’s made in Taiwan like the rest of the non C range (only the C range bikes and the Master frames are hand made in the factory below Erntesto’s house in Cambiago)

Personally id stay away from the Concept unless you want pure speed/aero and not too fussed about comfort

I would buy a C60 or C64 as they are designed for comfort/all day riding, will hold better resale value in the future, can be ordered with custom paint designs and you get a frame hand made and hand painted in Italy

Take a look at Sigma Sports for good deals and they did a tour of the factory and the museum before the C64 was released

https://www.sigmasports.com/hub/stories/colnago-factory-and-museum-visit

The Concept is made by Giant in Asia, and to me just a (not very nice looking) cookie cutter aero bike. One persons dirt is another’s gold and all that though.

I owned a C60 4 years back and whilst is was superb, I have moved onto more modern bikes. C60’s are limited to 25mm tyres max. Mine was a Di2 specific with caliper brakes. It was a great handling bike, just glued to the road and compared to others at the time, really comfortable but it’s not a patch on the SWorks Tarmac SL6 Disc I’m now using I’m afraid, due to the ability to run bigger tyres and have brakes that work properly. Due to that I sold it as it was just collecting dust.

Colnago’s change weight quite dramatically with the paint applied so be wary of saying they weight x,y,z. Mine was a matt black, and one of the lighter ones, the fully flamboyant finished can add 200+ grammes to the weight of the frameset.

I’ve had a C60 and currently have a C64. Having ridden and raced for over 30 years I’ve found it to be a joy to ride. The handling and comfort far surpass anything I’ve ridden before. I got this one when they first came out a couple years ago and still love riding it as much now. You certainly wouldn’t be disappointed with either.

I love my C40 and have considered buying something newer. The C64 is stunning but don’t think I can justify the price for the amount of road riding I do

25c tyres, argh, you’ll be riding MTB’s next.

I was between getting a new Colnago Master in the early 1990’s but with the new 7400 Dura Ace, but didn’t want Japanese on Italian frameset, so went for a hand built Columbus frameset from a local builder in a custom paint scheme. Cost as much as a Colnago. Still have it, running Dura Ace 7400.

Unfortunately, I gave up road 4 years ago and switched to MTB after a driver broke my spine.

A early 90’s Colnago with Dura Ace 7400 now that would be sacrilegious!!

(Dura Ace 7400 Colnago 35th anniversary edition groupset )

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Colnago C40 by ritcheyp20[/url], on Flickr
C40 in its original colours and Dura Ace 7700

Now with black tyres, bar tape and saddle, Ultegra 8000

The Concept is made by Giant in Asia, and to me just a (not very nice looking) cookie cutter aero bike. One persons dirt is another’s gold and all that though.

Yeah I just really like the look of the concept myself. I’ve yet to hear how it rides (apart from the online “reviews” which you can never trust.)
One online review I read recently, the reviewer said the new Lapierre Aircode was comfortable enough to ride for six plus hours, but he couldn’t have said that about the old Aircode… I rode mine for 47 hours straight, go figure 🙄😏. Slight tangent…
But I don’t think I’d like to buy a bike with Giant written on it, maybe I’m a total snob, who knows… I just have something against them.
True the C60 and C64 will probably hold value more.

I would like a Master as my winter bike, but would it work with Ultegra Di2 😆🙈😂 or would I need mechanical.

A c64 disk in raw carbon and silver lugs, campag super groupset and a nice set of 40mm rims is my dream road bike.

I owned a C60 Italia and it was the nicest road bike I had ever owned, nicer than the others I had before and it broke my heart to sell it. Once I own my own balls again and the house renovation/rebuild is finished I will be buying myself a C64, even if the wife doesn’t think it’s a must buy!

I’ve not ridden a Concept but did once walk into a bike shop, credit card in hand with the sole intention of ordering a Concept frame set. Reviews were as expected; fast, agile. No mentions of them being a harsh ride but nothing mentioning comfort either (I took this to mean it would have a harsh ride).
Personally, I loved the look of the frame and was after an aero frame.
The frame they had in the shop stopped me dead in my tracks and caused my to put the card away. For a £3,000 frame I thought the build quality looked pretty poor. Quite a large visible void in the downtube, a little rough around the headtube edges internally where the carbon hadn’t been finished particularly well. Lastly, it just didn’t look that special, not like a C60 / C64.

Never ridden a Concept but on my previous experience I doubt I ever will.

Well thank you very much!

Having lusted after Colnago’s since I was a kid, after reading this thread whilst enjoying a couple of drinks I started searching eBay to see what c60’s cost now.

Long story short i was the only bidder on a NOS c60 and am now in trouble with my wife as I desperately try and convince her it was a bargain, I can sell my existing frame and work will definitely pick up so nothing to worry about.

Long story short i was the only bidder on a NOS c60 and am now in trouble with my wife as I desperately try and convince her it was a bargain, I can sell my existing frame and work will definitely pick up so nothing to worry about.

AWESOME!!!

Can’t wait to see pics of it built up… What size did you get? Colour?

I still keep looking, that said every time I ride my V1-R I am reminded just how good that bike is too (identical geometry, just made by Giant in far east from a mould rather than hand crafted in Italy).

I owned a C60 4 years back and whilst is was superb, I have moved onto more modern bikes. C60’s are limited to 25mm tyres max. Mine was a Di2 specific with caliper brakes. It was a great handling bike, just glued to the road and compared to others at the time, really comfortable but it’s not a patch on the SWorks Tarmac SL6 Disc I’m now using I’m afraid, due to the ability to run bigger tyres and have brakes that work properly. Due to that I sold it as it was just collecting dust.

I’m the opposite, I’d rather ride the older bike that is a bit more compromised myself, besides 25mm tyres are 2mm bigger than what most people ran for the previous 2 decades! I’m still not sold on the benefits of discs for most road riders too… Certainly those of us that are fair weather UK riders at least. To me, your Spesh would be a tool for a job. I don’t have a job that needs doing, for the small amount I actually ride on the road these days, I want to ride something that excites me and makes me feel special! 🤷🏻‍♂️

RT60. You may now be in trouble with the wife but you have made the right decision, It’s a proper Colnago after all and worth a few domestic sacrifices to the Italian gods of speed and style. Enjoy.

To be honest she is used to me by now and compared to accidentally buying a Fireblade this isn’t to bad.

It was the Gran Fondo special edition so blue and white stripes, not my first choice but still looks good I think. I have mechanical 11 speed record/super record groupset to transfer over from my current bike so hopefully will be built this week.

Having lusted after Colnago’s since I was a kid, after reading this thread whilst enjoying a couple of drinks I started searching eBay to see what c60’s cost now.

Isn’t booze brilliant!
You’ve got me looking now…

I’m the opposite, I’d rather ride the older bike that is a bit more compromised myself, besides 25mm tyres are 2mm bigger than what most people ran for the previous 2 decades! I’m still not sold on the benefits of discs for most road riders too… Certainly those of us that are fair weather UK riders at least. To me, your Spesh would be a tool for a job. I don’t have a job that needs doing, for the small amount I actually ride on the road these days, I want to ride something that excites me and makes me feel special! 🤷🏻‍♂️

Tbh I find the SWorks exites me more when I’m riding it tbh and I do appreciate the benefits of discs and wider tubeless tyres for general riding for the extra grip and control, even in the dry. The two frames don’t actually ride a million miles differently except the spesh is more comfortable. The Colnago did however look mint when parked outside the cafe or in the garage but the Spesh isn’t exactly a minger either, even if they’re not rare in the slightest.

Anyone ridden the V2-R?

Finally built up, needs a bit of finishing of after a few test rides,but looks amazing in the flesh.

Oh yes I do like that. I’m curious did you build it up yourself in lockdown? If so what was the BB area like to build up, it’s a T47 isn’t it? Looks a very sensible design on paper…this sort of thing puts these frame at the top of my list having got a creaky mare with a current Sworks Tarmac SL4 – I have the only thing that’ll keep it quiet in there, a pressed in Praxis converter but it needs removing every 1000 miles or so to re-prep…which involves having to hit it very hard with a hammer! so one day I’m reckoning on needing a new frame…one of these would do just fine.

Colnago C60 uses Threadfit82.5 not T47.

Yes I have built it up this week, the bottom bracket area is compatible with BB86 bottom brackets, so for Campagnolo you just need to press in the BB86 cups into the replaceable metal inserts that are part of the threadfit system.

Or you can get T45 bottom brackets which replace the screw in inserts with the BB cups, but they are expensive.

Oh yes I see, similar. Hey Mr.Blazin, what’s the BB like for creaks on the SL6, have they improved it from the notoriously dodgy SL4 version – It’s such a nice riding/ handling bike but mine’s ruined by wailing like a banshee…tried all the usual loctite remedies too, pressed in converters seem solution but baffled how to get ’em out without undue force…

The SL6 uses a true BB30 size, unlike the OSBB weirdness on the SL4. Mine runs the Ceramic Speed bearings as it’s an SWorks and they come standard, with the SWorks BB30 chain-set and I’ve not had so much as a click out of it in 6000 miles so far.

@rt60, that’s very nice 👍🏻

Very nice RT60, I did see that frame on ebay as it happens. Glad you’ve done it justice with the build… 👌🏻 I think if I find a 52S frame with the lugs in blue or green, and bare carbon tubes, I’m going to struggle not to buy it! 😂

Anyone ridden the V2-R?

Sandwich further up this thread has one, I have its predecessor the V1-R if I can help at all…?

Got given this beauty of a C59 the other day

It has been converted to a flat handler bar, single speed bike

Don’t worry ill be converting it back to a normal groupset and bars in the near future

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