Both ordered, KUDU arrived, other one tomorrow I think.
Mighty impressed with the KUDU though. It is, empty, about 400g heavier than my EVOC, though the handy wee tool roll is included in than which is about 1/4 of the difference. It has loads of good storage, an integrated fold away rain cover, which will be very handy, and when loaded it sits a good bit lower on my back than the EVOC, which has an annoying habit of bumping my helmet on steep stuff. First impressions are that I’ll keep it and return the Toro, which although a little lighter, doesn’t have the wide waist compression strap, which, on the KUDU,as per the EVOC, is comfy and secure.