- Any primary school teachers in?
Can I ask what protocol is in this scenario…
Year 2 child ‘A’ says something hurtful about another child ‘B’. Child B doesn’t hear this but playground gossip gets back to the mother of child B who complains.
Child A is spoken to by the teacher but is told she doesn’t have to tell her parents that she has been spoken to. Ours is child A and we know she has been spoken to but she won’t tell us why because her teacher told her she doesn’t have toPosted 2 years agohammeriteMember
There’s no real protocol. I always find it difficult to deal with situations that I haven’t directly seen or heard happen. Most of the time the children involved (and their friends) tend to twist what has been said or simply can’t remember. – it tends to be that other children start to get involved.
I go with the “bang both heads together” approach most of the time. Get both parties together at the same time, get an understanding of what’s happened (which can be difficult) and explain to both parties how it’s not nice for anyone to feel that way. Usually both parties have been unkind to each other one way or another.
If it’s something that isn’t really very nasty or serious I wouldn’t mention to the child anything about speaking to parents. If it is something I think parents need to know I tend to talk to them myself with the child present. I’d never say you don’t need to tell a parent, secrets are never a good idea – if the child wants to tell their parents about something that has happened at school it’s up to them.Posted 2 years ago
The reason I am concerned is around child protection issues (long term, not directly related to this of course). Should an authority figure be telling a child they don’t need to tell their parents something? Surely the child should be told to always speak to their parents, not be encouraged to withhold things from them?
I am very surprised, but then the teacher is an NQT so perhaps I shouldn’t be… 😕Posted 2 years ago
Coukd it be that normal protocol is that parents will be told but in this case the child has been given a warning with the reminder that next time parents will be told.
Often, at my school, we tell children we will have to tell parents but make the final decision that this is not needed.
This has then been mistaken by the child to mean they don’t have to tell either.Posted 2 years agoCharlieMungusMember
Surely the child should be told to always speak to their parents, not be encouraged to withhold things from them?
I am very surprised, but then the teacher is an NQT so perhaps I shouldn’t be.
I would go see the head. just check if Childa was really told this.
What part do you consider absurd?Posted 2 years ago
Absurd that parents have gone to a teacher asking for action to be taken because another child said they hated their child.
(And the rumour was started by child ‘C’ so not an adult or anything – just a 6 yr old telling her mum, who told child B’s mum).
Stupid playground politics not helped by an inexperienced teacher.Posted 2 years ago
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Get used to it, it gets worse lol
Playground politics , made especially worse when mummy/ daddy think their offspring are angels
and couldn’t possibly have said / done such things.
And no, teachers should not be encouraging kids not to tell parents things. We’ve had something similar and the wife went ballistic at the school when she found out
We have been called in before because a child overheard something my son said to his friend in the toilet.Posted 2 years ago
This child went home and told his parents what he had heard ( it was of a sexual nature) and the next day both his parents went up the school and demanded to speak to the head about it.
All sat round , asked my son if he had said it, he said yes, so we told him he shouldn’t be talking like that at school ( or anywhere else come to that), and that was that.
I did mention to the parents of the child who had stirred up all the sh*t, that if they had a problem then perhaps they should discuss it with us directly rather than waste the schools time over a trivial matter but they were convinced that this was something the school should deal with.
Tell me about it – the mother of child ‘D’ (the child that child A actually said the thing) has now forbidden child D from playing with child A. All because of a silly little comment that one of them may or may not have said that may or may not have been overhead by another child.Posted 2 years ago
I’m with you on handling things differently etc, but like you my wife tries to sort things out amicably as she is the one who has to face the parents etc day when picking up and dropping off.Posted 2 years ago
Some real nasty, snidey , lying little ba*tards in his class too. You wouldn’t believe they are only 8-9 years old.
I think the future of the Tory party is safe with these lot around. 😆
i did safe guarding training yesterday
It would be wrong to “you can’t tell your parents”
But surely the general situation is that you don’t have to tell your parents what your teacher said. Which is lucky because sadly students forget most of what a teacher says
If you are really worried the speak to the head
But being a primary school teacher is probably close to impossible. So i would advise on being supportive or keeping quiet if possible
Hang on a mo’ how do you know all this if child A didn’t tell you?
PS I don’t think I have ever said “you don’t need to tell your parents”
PPS did child A say “do have to tell me parents?”Posted 2 years agocheekymonkey888Member
So just surmise this is all based on what child a has said.Posted 2 years ago
Has there been any conversation with the other parents or teacher involved. Seems like without corroboration from the teacher the mums the word is just down to the child a. I would still seek clarification from the teacher to clear it up otherwise its just child a b and c perspectives
Child B never heard anything, Child C told her mum who then told child B’s mum.
In fact I think there are more children involved – D, E and F. The parents.
My wife is in tears but all I see is a bunch of adults needing to get over themselves and accept we are talking about 6 yr olds.
Still think the teacher needs her arse kicking though.Posted 2 years ago
My last post was a bit OTT
I think to say a teacher “needs her arse kicking though.” is a bit drastic
I’ll try and keep out of all the rights and wrongs. But I’ll try and take a teacher perspective
Parent reports concern about what may or may not have been said.
Teacher could do nothing which was was your preferred option. Fair enough you are entitled to an opinion.
But the teacher decided to take the least drastic option and spoke to your child. To me that doesn’t mean told off or even found fault. It could getting your childs version of events. The “you don’t need to tell your parents thing wasn’t ideal”
But are we saying your wife is in tears and started a thread on the internet because a teacher talked to your child about what was going on?
How are teachers ever going to resolve things if they are in trouble for talking to the students involvedPosted 2 years ago
No, my wife was in tears because the whole episode upset her (friends talking about our child behind her back , realising our child isn’t perfect etc).
All of that is shit that happens. A teacher telling a child she doesn’t have to tell her parents is the bit I am not happy about.Posted 2 years agomattsccmMember
“A teacher telling a child she doesn’t have to tell her parents is the bit I am not happy about. “Posted 2 years ago
I am bemused. Can’t see above where this is accurately quoted.
You’ll find that even the brightest child won’t often repeat things verbatim.
Not saying never, just that there are so many variables (mostly to do with the unreliability of children) that the whole argument is pointless.
If there was a abuse issue involved maybe you would take the pessimistic view, and then probably find that it was wrong, but in this case? Really!
This is just another example of how primary teachers can’t win.
I guarantee that if you speak to the teacher in question they will not have told your child that they don’t have to tell you. These accusations happen everyday, and every day we have to explain misquoted comments and frankly things that simply never happened. But, take the word of your year 2 child without actually talking to the teacher in question.
Your NQT comment is absurd, whilst this may mean the teacher is a little naive, they may still have worked in a school for many years as a TA. NQT’s are fully qualified. They’re not on training.
Can I be honest and tell you the worst part of a near impossible job that I still love… The parents!Posted 2 years ago
Nope, the teacher followed school protocol and spoke to your child. Did your child not say it?
I thought, from your post and your wife’s tears, that it was actually said.
Little the teacher could do to win here. If your child said it then they deserve to be spoken to. Wether they report it to you is the schools (most likely the heads) decision.Posted 2 years ago
And also, you do know why they were spoken to. You make that clear in the first post with your scenario. Your child said something that hurt another child. They may not have meant to hurt them and via a PSHE approach were probably told why these actions were wrong.
I see no part in your scenario where your child received a consequence and therefore why you did not need to be told. I assume your school protocol is the same as all I’ve worked in and speaking to parents being a step of action after an incident if decided necessary.Posted 2 years ago
I do not know if my child said it. She says another child did. The teacher spoke to my child on the basis of the wronged child’s mum being told by another mum who was told by her year two child.
The situation is absurd but I go back to my original point – a teacher shouldn’t be telling a child that she doesn’t have to tell her parents. Because of this, our child won’t tell us the full story because she has been told she doesn’t have to.Posted 2 years agoMing the MercilessSubscriber
Is child A making up the bit about “don’t have to tell parents”. Go to the teacher and politely ask what happened. Mrs M had a couple of run ins with parents raving about punishments she had dished out to their “perfect” children.
Mrs M said one of the worst things about teaching was the Roman Senate-esque nature of playground politics.Posted 2 years ago
Did the teacher tell your child not to tell you?
I can’t find any evidence for this other than a year 2 child’s word.
If your child was child B and you went to the teacher would you not want them to investigate and talk to your child?
How do you know, like in all schools, that each individual child has not been approached and said that this did happen?
What was your child’s consequence? I don’t see one here?
We deal with this everyday.
Speak to the teacher, I assure you they did not say you don’t need to tell your parents, rather in this case they (the teacher) does not need to tell you (the parents).Posted 2 years ago
Oh, I’m sure most parents don’t realise too that half of each day of teaching time is wasted by the investigation playground incidents.
We talk to each child, fill out two forms, and contact parents if necessary.
All when i could actually be teaching the other children and giving them the education they deserve.Posted 2 years ago
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