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He overinflated his IQ score didn’t he – there is no independent verification that he has an IQ north of 150, like he has claimed.

Here is what I think, he has a moderately high verbal IQ – think around 135, that masks deficiencies in other parts of his intellect.

Do you think Hitchens ever felt the need to brag about his IQ? If the Hitch was still around, he would have utterly humiliated Peterson when it comes to his theocratic beliefs.

Put it this way, I would feel uncomfortable going up against Hitch in a debate – I’d have a lot of fun with Peterson given the chance.

Anyone who is aware of the flaws and biases in IQ tests, yet still brags about and inflates their score, must be a bit of a nobber.

I get the feeling, that were he born Muslim – he’d be another Mr Hook Hands, going away for incitement…he strikes me as being exactly the same type of personality and trying to appeal to the same types of disaffected loser males.

I’d rather we not import the views and leanings of a bunch of wet, whiny Americans who can only solve things though therapy, lawyers or guns.

Anyone who is aware of the flaws and biases in IQ tests, yet still brags about and inflates their score, must be a bit of a nobber.

I know someone else who brags about his IQ.

Who cares, the point is – why would you be deferential because of his own self-made claims?

There’s a good takedown of Peterson here –

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/2018/05/25/i-was-jordan-petersons-strongest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous.html

That article makes me think that his understanding of psychopaths was entertaining and accessible, because he is one.

wwatched that clip MR – really not sure what it was supposed to achieve other than show two people being obnoxious about someone who’s intellect is clearly streets ahed of theirs.

Apologies, was rushing (hence many typos etc) but if you’d read on I did paste the correct clip (minus the mocking commentary) in the post that followed.  The third clip is more of a PSA to help people protect their kids from danger.

Hahahahah, you’re deluded mate.

I tell you who you should be protecting your kids from, Peterson.

Mr I talk about freedom of speech but condone forced marriage. He’s a disgusting little authoritarian who would have us living in a Handmaids Tale, the really ironic thing is – is that a charismatic populist has captured a lot of the demographic who 50 years ago, would have been reading the “True Believer”.

We all know what Hoffer would say

The real “haves” are they who can acquire freedom, self-confidence, and even riches without depriving others of them. They acquire all of these by developing and applying their potentialities. On the other hand, the real “have nots” are they who cannot have aught except by depriving others of it. They can feel free only by diminishing the freedom of others, self-confident by spreading fear and dependence among others, and rich by making others poor.

Anyone who is aware of the flaws and biases in IQ tests, yet still brags about and inflates their score, must be a bit of a nobber.

Have you ever heard of Raven’s Progressive Matricies? It’s free from any and all bias that migjht otherwise hinder an assessment of cognitive ability. It is possible to quantify cognitive ability and it’s a pretty strong predictor of quite a lot of life outcomes.

Have you ever heard of Raven’s Progressive Matricies? It’s free from any and all bias that migjht otherwise hinder an assessment of cognitive ability.

That would be an extremely limited measure of intelligence.

a pretty strong predictor of quite a lot of life outcomes.

Errr

https://www.thecut.com/2016/12/success-depends-on-your-personality-more-than-iq.html

It appears relatively weak compared to other factors.

Anyone who is aware of the flaws and biases in IQ tests, yet still brags about and inflates their score, must be a bit of a nobber.

Are you actually presenting any evidence for anything that you disagree with?

I’m not a Peterson fan but you should easily come up with something without being a gobshite.

Are you actually presenting any evidence for anything that you disagree with?

I’m not a Peterson fan but you should easily come up with something without being a gobshite.

It is for those banging on about high IQ to demonstrate that the tests are a true measure of intelligence, and that their results are valid. As any intelligent person would understand.

An IQ test is a measure of intelligence, along with others.  But so what, whether Peterson’s IQ is 160 or 120 has no bearing on how crap he is at getting a crap point across.

Quite simple really, all you need to do is look at the people who think he is great and then ask why he attracts those people.

As any intelligent person would understand.

It’s almost as if you’re suggesting people should verify their claims.

It’s almost as if you’re suggesting people should verify their claims.

If that’s what you believe, then direct your enquiries to those who raised the issue. Or is that too difficult for you to understand?

Is there a quick and easy test you can do to measure emotional intelligence?

Errr

https://www.thecut.com/2016/12/success-depends-on-your-personality-more-than-iq.html

It appears relatively weak compared to other factors.

I don;t know the specific difference in the correlation coeffecient but you’re absolutely right that personality is a very strong predictor in life outcomes….well in job performance at least. We have to agree that by life outcomes, we mean a degree of success in work and the earning potential that accrues to you as a result of this.

To put some evidence to this, I used to work for a company that specialised in testing individuals for role selection. The correlation coeffecient of IQ for suitability in role is about 0.1 (this is for any and all roles) but it goes up somewha to about .2 when you start selecting for senior leadership roles.

Keep in mind that we talking about the predictive value of suitability in a specific role. On it’s own, you cannot use IQ a means of selection for role suitability but you also need to understand that 100% of all senior executives have significantly above average IQ, something like top quartile at least, there’s just no way around that.

That would be an extremely limited measure of intelligence.

I think what you’re saying here is that ‘intelligence’ is an extremely limited measure of a person, and that I would agree with. Otherwise ‘cognitive horsepower’ is well understood as a construct.

Again, based on my work with the org. psych business, the importance of personality cannot be underestimated. To be clear, you cannot use personality tests in isolation as the basis of selection for a job, but when combined with other data points they are very powerful. It’s also important to understand that ‘behaviour’ and ‘personality’ are not the same thing. One is a corrollary of the other and to a large degree it will be cause and effect, but we do have a choice as to how we behave and it is possible to learn to behave in a way that is contrary to what our instinctive programming would otherwise suggest. This is why some people demonstrate extreme criminal behaviour and others with the same profile don’t for example.

Is there a quick and easy test you can do to measure emotional intelligence?

In your case Binners there is – just post anything here. That gives me at least a pretty good insight, ;o)

Is there a quick and easy test you can do to measure emotional intelligence?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/tests/personality/emotional-intelligence-test

Not quick but easy enough as just answering questions about yourself

hitting her back wasn’t an option because I knew full well that if I did, not only would I go to jail,

So you know so much about domestic violence that you think you would go to jail for protecting yourself from a violent attacker? Why wouldn’t you hit her? You don’t need to break her jaw.

No I just hit him, really really hard. I was quite a big lad.

No you didn’t.

This is why I say you are a bullshitter.

A 10 year old boy breaks another boys jaw and all that happens is a doorstep row between the 2 mothers?

A 10 year old boy is so powerful and accomplished at fighting that he can break someones jaw and he still gets bullied?

In my teens, at 6ft and 14 stone, I punched quite a few people “really, really hard” and got punched “really, really hard” and never suffered or inflicted a broken jaw.

I’m not sure what your twisted agenda is and why you peddle this BS.

I don’t feel sorry for you as I don’t believe most of the crap that you spout.

Is there a quick and easy test you can do to measure emotional intelligence?

Yes.

Step out of this thread, then

Ignore it.

HTHs

Late to this thread but working through with interest.  I know it was a few pages ago but one argument created a few hypotheses that I think are just plain wrong

I did a quick assessment of this (really just a baisc view) by looking at the average differences in times between the first and last runniners in the men’s and women’s 100m Olympic Finals. Over the last 14 years the average difference between men is 2.99% and for women it’s 4.11%. Draw your own conclusions.

That didn’t ring true because IME women’s sport is becoming more, not less competitive. So I pulled the data

Using the same data set

2004 First = 10.93 / last = 11.18 / diff = 2.3%

2008 10.78 / 11.20 / 3.9%

2012 10.75 / 11.01 / 2.4%

2016 10.71 / 11.80 / 10.2%

So while yes, the average winning time (10.79) is 4.7% faster than the average last place (11.30) clearly there is a discrepancy in the data in 2016.

Injury, or just gave up and jogged in, IDK, but not representative. Take the second last finisher (10.94) and rerun the numbers and what do you know……

2016  10.71 / 10.94 / 2.1%

Average 10.79 / 11.08 / 2.7%

Draw your own conclusions.

I quite agree Gobuchal.

It may be true in his mind but clearly is of no truth in reality.  Self defense is an accepted defence in law especially so in domestic violence and even more so in female on male domestic violence where self defence is a defence used far more successfully by men than by women.  Oh look – its white male priviledge again!

I believe geetee has serious unresolved mental issues that lead him to play the victim card and thus in his mind validates his dreadful mysogeny that he keeps on spouting.

Keep in mind that we talking about the predictive value of suitability in a specific role. On it’s own, you cannot use IQ a means of selection for role suitability but you also need to understand that 100% of all senior executives have significantly above average IQ, something like top quartile at least, there’s just no way around that.

This all depends on what kind of organisation that you are in – if you are in a senior position at a hedge fund, then sure.

But if you are a store manager at Tesco’s – then to be perceived as an effective leader you don’t want an IQ greater than 118 as there is a curvilinear relationship effect on leadership perception, between the leaders IQ and the IQ of the people he/she is leading. Which is incidentally, why we get people like Trump as president.

Please remember that .2 is still a weak correlation coefficient.

How to Interpret a Correlation Coefficient r

I believe geetee has serious unresolved mental issues that lead him to play the victim card and thus in his mind validates his dreadful mysogeny that he keeps on spouting.

I think, maybe the more constructive thing to do would be to point him in the right direction, instead of causing more harm by the use of such blunt language to describe him. I dislike Peterson a lot, maybe we could provide better counter arguments to Geetee instead? You know, make the world a better place etc?

maybe we could provide better counter arguments to Geetee instead?

Why?

He’s a pathological liar.

That what he needs help with. Indulging his fantasies is not helping him.

Think about that broken jaw story. It’s nonsense. It doesn’t stand up for so many reasons.

I think you’re all being used as research guinea pigs for the thesis.

Rayban – I have suggested such in the past – pointing him in the direction of the help he needs.  Rebuffed with insults.

Hence I mainly stay off his threads now having been warned off by a forum member I trust as we both felt commenting could cause more issues for him

Which is better?  Challenged his distorted world view or ignore him?  He does not want help.

Geetees views expressed on here over a period of time are absolutely abhorrent

And with that the threas was closed.

There is absolutely no need of start making this personal.