617 Squadron Dams Raid
Nice one, didn’t know the date was today but you know what, regardless of the actual effectiveness of those raids I have nothing but admiration for those blokes. I reckon its pretty difficult for most of us to comprehend what challenges they faced and having read some stuff on much of the development of the technology and the requirements of the raid I’m impressed to say the least…..good on ya Julian..Posted 8 years agoeldridgeSubscriber
Hope none of the above contributors will take offence at this. It just seems to me to sum up something about the British talent for self-deprecation and satire. Really sorry if it upsets anyone – my first father in law was a navigator in Lancasters during the last 3 years of the war and I know he would have smiled
(Sorry to make you cut-and-paste, but linky help seems to have disappeared from the Reply box)Posted 8 years agoAmbroseMember
My grandfather, Peter Hackforth, flew over Trafalgar Square on VE day in 1945, piloting the leading Lancaster. He seldom talked of what he did, save for dropping a lot of food onto Holland in 1944/45. He died a decade or so ago. I wish I’d talked to him more.Posted 8 years agorogerthecatMember
this is pretty funny:Posted 8 years agoB.A.NanaMember
Don’t forget that there were many other Squadrons that did just as brave missions that by default haven’t ever been lauded in the same way, just because of a film.
My grandad was in 630 Squadron and was killed 2 weeks before the end of the war over Dresden. His story is sad, because he was in the police so exempt from fighting, but he joined up and died right at the end of the war. His family blamed my grandma for forcing him to join up, which was complete rubbish, but we think she never recovered from that and she never remarried and became a very bitter woman (she was not a nice Grandma).Posted 8 years agouponthedownsMember
Bomber Command suffered a 44% death rate of flight crew. Those guys got into those planes and flew over a thousand miles there and back, at night over hostile territory knowing they had almost a 50% chance of never coming back. Takes some guts to do that. Average age of a Lancaster crew was 22.Posted 8 years agodevsMember
My last job in the RAF was site manager for 617. I used to look after the tall boy and bouncing bomb as well as doing boring engineering things. It was quite a task as other sqns would try to steal or vandalise it. I came into work one monday to find it had been painted pink. There is also a mock up “nigger” that gets taken on every detachment. It’s usually the baby pilot’s responsibility to look after him. Invariably it gets lost but generally gets found again. After all the boy that loses him has to replace him.Posted 8 years ago
I have nothing but respect for what they did and all the others that did similar. It pisses me off massively that every Nov we see media staged ceremonies where “lest we forget” is banded about like the latest trendy thang but people today generally have absolutely no concept whatsoever of the sacrifices made by the few and the military as a whole at that time.
Just my stella fueled two penneth worth!trailmonkeyMember
It pisses me off massively that every Nov we see media staged ceremonies where “lest we forget” is banded about like the latest trendy thang but people today generally have absolutely no concept whatsoever of the sacrifices made by the few and the military as a whole at that time.
What would you prefer ? That people do forget ? Unless you were there, how could you possibly know what that experience and sacrifice was like ?
I hope that this morning, now that the Stella’s worn off, you’ll appreciate that you were talking complete bum gravy.Posted 8 years agodevsMember
I have spoken to those that were there and listened to what they had to say. Despite 23 years, 4 medals and 2 wars I still consider myself unfit to tie their shoe laces. The stella has gone but my respect and passion remains. The point I didn’t get across very well is that whilst the country pours millions into looking PC and defending the rights of “british citizens” to pursue hate campaigns against the armed forces, squaddies are STILL buying their own kit off ebay because it’s the quickest way to get what they need.Posted 8 years ago
The penny pinching, risk taking and lies are the reason I left in the end, you can be as vocal as you like, and I was, but if no one listens all you can do is vote with your feet. We are asking young men to risk all more than ever with less support than ever. We seem to have forgotten big time. Apols for my bum gravy, if you ever meet me on a ride I’ll gladly pull out my soap box over a pint and tell you why I think the country is disrespecting the memories of those who went before. I’ll bore you till your ears bleed. This is not the right forum for it though and I also apologise for hijacking the thread and posting under the influence. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday.Nickquinn293Subscriber
Take the point about the other squadrons efforts too. The dambusters raid was an amazing feat, despite the actual limited physical damage caused in some of the raids, the psychological impact on the German war effort was huge. It is worth mentioning that for the first few years of WW2, The RAF and the combined nations who fought under the RAF banner (Poland, Canada, USA volunteers and India as well as other Commonwealth nations to mention some) was the only fighting force which took the war inside the boundary of Germany and affected the German people in their own country. Sad to think about it nowadays, and there are differing opinions on the morality of carpet bombing techniques which Bomber Harris was an exponent of. I personally believe it was the right thing to do, glib thought this may seem. Read Patrick Bishop “Bomber Boys” – fantastic book – makes it come to life so well. The closing chapters of this book are vey moving when it highlights the lack of stomach to recognise Bomber Commands efforts due to the political unpopularity of the campaign once the war ended. Also blows away the myth of the RAF being an upper class thing. A very vexatious subject but my personal opinion is that these “chaps” were real heroes. Gratitude and respect does not begin to cover my feelings for them. I do not agree with people who say the time to commemorate their efforts is over and we should just start forgetting about it all, entitled to their opinion as they are. Whoops, don’t want to go Basil Fawlty. I also feel very cycnical about current government and their treatment of our current fighting forces – not fit to shine their shoes. I’ll shut up now! Some personal opinions, sorry if you don’t agree with any of them, just a subject very close to me!Posted 8 years ago
“The successes of Bomber Command were purchased at terrible cost. Of the volunteers who flew, almost sixty percent (over 55 000) were killed. Over 10,000 Canadians died serving in Bomber Command. It is a loss rate comparable only to the worst slaughter of the First World War trenches. Of those who were flying at the beginning of the war, only ten percent survived. Even those who began their service after D-Day (June 6, 1944) suffered almost fifty percent losses.”Posted 8 years ago
I have read loads of books including “Enemy Coast Ahead” and it’s hard to believe the books are of real people. After the dam raids Guy Gibson was taken of operations and used to boost moral among the aircrew of bomber command. He ended up in tears in front of bomber commands Harris begging to go back on operations.Posted 8 years ago
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