erm, yes it is.

Its a ratio change in X over a specified period.

You mean its not 6.5% pa. Which it isnt. But it never said it was.

Bizarre to trumpet that as a great offer. We’ll give you a pay rise at the rate of inflation for one year, then below the likely rate of inflation for the next two. Overall, would you like a pay cut of 3% over three years, plus can I have a day of your holiday please?

Real terms pay cut dressed up as a “generous” pay rise.

Politics and spin at its finest.

Yup. Spin. Real terms pay cut AND worsening terms of employment. Nice.

Bearing in mind there’s been a real terms pay cut for the last 8 years, what would be acceptable for a 3 year settlement?

Roughly based on current forecasts, it’s matching inflation for the first 2 years, then 0.5% below for year 3.

Doubt anybody in public sector is going to get any better (still not massively motivating though obvs).

erm, yes it is.

Its a ratio change in X over a specified period.

You mean its not 6.5% pa. Which it isnt. But it never said it was.

Public sector pay rises are often presented in this sort of way and you must admit Stoner that it’s dissingenuous at best.  The headline figure that people see is 6.5% and because the “over X years” part isn’t normally in the headline joe public thinks that it’s all in a oner.  It’s spin nothing more.

The fact is, if NHS staff start putting their holiday entitlement on the table in order to secure a sub-inflationary pay deal, that sets them up nicely to be asked for more when staff shortages get even worse after a certain event which may dissuade overseas staff from being around.

It isn’t a bargaining chip. Certainly not for those kind of percentages.

Kinda shows how desperate Hunt is. 7-day NHS? He’ll be lucky to get a 5-day one in a few years’ time.

Can’t see this helping to retain staff. Why stay when you can work your chosen hours doing bank work. Great for the NHS as well, because this is such a cheap option for staffing your shifts…. not. Still, not to worry, its nice for the companies providing bank staff. I’m really tired of this, we are all being asked to do more for less.

Thought there was a curb on using Bank Staff now, since it cost 5-6 times more than a normal salary.. Ok, so that nugget is probably about 5 years old.. but I thought it’d been adopted.

It’s ok, you can ship Philippino’s in.. Like you have been doing for the last 10years or so..

Luckily we’re forseeing absolutely zero staffing issues now we’re leaving the EU lol

Well I for one cannot wait to see how they try to **** teachers over if this is what nurses are getting!!

I’m really tired of this, we are all being asked to do more for less

My grandpa, first male nurse in England apparently, had a sign above his desk at the end of a life’s work in NHS and Zambian field surgery’s –

“I have done so much, with so little, for so long, I am now qualified to do anything, with nothing.”

It’s a crap deal, and just a continuation (like so many public servants) of the real level pay cut.

Bloody hell makes our 9% pay rise over 3 years and an hour off the working week (39 down to 38) with a promised intention to give us a 35 hour week by 2022 look good!!

My Mrs is a Midwife she is going to be fuming!!!!

That.

When their lips move, you just know that they are lying.

When I first heard the headline of this, it sounded like it might be worth listening to.

Having listened and considered, I agree with Binners.  All you can really say is that it’s a less savage beasting than usual.  It doesn’t really qualify as a ‘pay rise’ in any other sense than the present rate will keep pace with inflation for a couple of years before falling.  No attempt to actually raise pay in Real terms.

If there was a real offer on the table I might be prepared to make a leave sacrifice as a compromise, but agree there too – day is a very odd choice as NHS holiday entitlements are counted and taken in hours across the year – so for people with different length working days a different number of hours will count as ‘a day’.

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“Thought there was a curb on using Bank Staff now, since it cost 5-6 times more than a normal salary..”

There was supposed to be. But it didn’t provide any alternative source of staffing so it was less than meaningless

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Where I work acute care beds are being closed and as a result people needing urgent hospital admission can’t be admitted, not because we cant afford to pay the staff (although we cant), but because we can’t recruit enough nurses to run them safely.

Still, as a child of the eighties I know that ‘the market’ will sort that out any day now.

It’s all over public services. At our school we have a load of unfilled posts and the cover has been so brutal there’s at least 4 on long-term with stress. Yesterday they used 50% of the cover available so by Wednesday everyone will be taken beyond their hours on a week with two unscheduled after school meetings and a parents evening.

It’s a case in NHS, policing, teaching of keep squeezing.

You can expect the headlines to be shouting about how good our terms are the closer to pay negotiations we get.

thought Tories liked the market to decide?

Only when it suits