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This is a 43" 4k Hisense. Tbh, is happily use it as my main tv. They are excellent value for money. You really feel you are "in" the game.

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Posted : 18/06/2020 5:38 pm
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@weeksy - thanks for jumping on board
@savoyard - thanks for organising - shame you can't be part of it tonight!

I'll do the stop watch thing - everyone be on the discord channel or you won't here the 'GO'!


 
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This is a 43″ 4k Hisense. Tbh, is happily use it as my main tv. They are excellent value for money. You really feel you are “in” the game.
cool, I might just go for the biggest one I can find at a reasonable price! Can always slide the turbo back a bit if it's too mahoosive (will try to avoid any cupboards 😂)


 
Posted : 18/06/2020 6:03 pm
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Possibly a bit late but given the issues with comms when you're dying on your arse is it worth having a shorthand for the messages?

U - speed up (I won't use this one I don't think)
D - slow down (But this one I will)
S - steady
G - go, leave me, something's gone pear shaped!

If nothing else we might look even more pro...


 
Posted : 18/06/2020 6:21 pm
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Should be able to remember that! Tbh if the sound q is crap again I’d be tempted to give one of the other services e.g. teamSpeak a go next time


 
Posted : 18/06/2020 6:35 pm
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I'm throwing my bike in the bin.


 
Posted : 18/06/2020 8:07 pm
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cool, I might just go for the biggest one I can find at a reasonable price! Can always slide the turbo back a bit if it’s too mahoosive (will try to avoid any cupboards 😂)

Yep,as long as you have the room to move the turbo back all is good. Worth mentioning I need to move my head a bit to look at different stats on the screen. Tiny annoyance during a race. I can't move the bike further back due to space issues.
It's a slight annoyance but the "immersion" makes it more than worth it.

Are you driving the screen/game with with a PC? if you are porting it from a tablet the big screen will really a amplify the sub par graphics.

I'm running mine on a slightly dated gaming PC I built up so it can handle Zwift in 4k (and it's dated but totally functional graphics) no problem.

I ported my android tablet to it once and it looked horrid.lol


 
Posted : 18/06/2020 8:18 pm
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I’m throwing my bike in the bin.
what happened? You really should treat yourself to a road bike given the amount of time you spend on zwift!

Are you driving the screen/game with with a PC?
have a 4K Apple TV lined up, they were doing them cheap a couple of weeks ago!!


 
Posted : 18/06/2020 8:29 pm
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Dunno mate, I lost the wheel then suddenly was 3s behind and then 4, then had to work back, that just finished me off. It's weird, my HR isn't hitting the 183 peaks of racing but I can't seem to hold power as much as I want. In the first 20 mins I was doing ok, taking turns, pushing on, but then the legs just never had it.


 
Posted : 18/06/2020 8:35 pm
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It’s weird, my HR isn’t hitting the 183 peaks of racing but I can’t seem to hold power as much as I want.

Thats fatigue, take a few days off, just a few light spinning rides, no more.

I'm tired too, a below par performance today with a Zwiftpower time of 1:03 and a Strava of 55 mins.  I found that relentless, no rest or changes of power just remorseless power output.    This was the last effort of a four week Build for training, having ridden 1500km of training in two months.

Luckily I have a few days off now with just an easy MTB mess around on Saturday.  I need it.

I'm talking WTRL though, you are doing BC?


 
Posted : 18/06/2020 9:26 pm
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Sorry it didn't go as well as hoped weeksy. Thanks for stepping in though, I'm still working so very grateful to you for picking up the baton at the last minute and making sure we got in.

Cheers, have a thank you beer on me.


 
Posted : 18/06/2020 9:43 pm
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Anyone doing the 3R Sand and Sequoias at 4.15pm tomorrow?

I suspect it'll be another "blind" race where you can't see the other riders stats/ names on the right hand panel? Either that or there is a new bug on Zwift?!😁

Still, it's my favourite route on Zwift as I used to freeride it a lot before I got into the racing.

2 laps, just over 40km, 356m climbing so fairly flat.


 
Posted : 18/06/2020 10:39 pm
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19th overall folks, well done!


 
Posted : 18/06/2020 10:44 pm
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19th wow! It was bloody good fun. Really enjoyed tonight’s TTT, one hell of a workout.

Pleased with my fitness gains and the TTT helps, I seem to dig a bit more...

Massive thanks to all especially @savoyard for organising 👍👍


 
Posted : 18/06/2020 10:57 pm
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Yep, cheers Savoyard!

I just lost the pace on that last little climb about 2km out so pulled the plug to let you lot fly - well done guys!


 
Posted : 18/06/2020 11:08 pm
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Yeah tough ride, nowhere to rest on a flat route! I was on the limit most of the time just hanging onto the back 😂 great result though!

Had a quick flick through the YouTube stream, couldn’t see any Latte coverage at all so guess we didn’t get any screen time 😭


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 12:27 am
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It’s a difficult balance between being organised and taking it too seriously.

Apparently the last man is the 2nd hardest spot after front.

Stronger riders should cover the front and last man and shield the middle.

We don’t do that we pull from the front and try to scoop if anyone drops. However we don’t take it too seriously and that’s a slippery slope to making it not fun. Maybe we should just bear it mind for future runs without having to plan.

I would always favour enjoyment/fun and inclusivity over results 👍


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 1:12 am
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I'm sorry I missed that. It was a great ride (within a minute of another PL invite).

Weeksy don't be so hard on yourself. When the gap opens, it opens unbelievably fast (I've seen this more times than you in this format!). I find it different to a "normal" race because there's no point where the group is at all relaxed - more fatigue, more chances for that gap to open, the gap is always to a group going full on . Get that bike back out of the bin.

The webcast was all frappe and up, mainly Vienna and Espresso. But kelvinshuffle was there in the youtube chat nagging them - unsuccessfully - for updates on stw/latte (thanks Kelvin!).

The entry is in for next week - 29km of Magnificent 8 which has the reverse hill near the start, then lots of flat to the finish. Back to our normal 6.30 start time. I'll put all the proper info in a separate post.


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 9:10 am
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Can someone explain to me why this is?   I’ve spotted you guys in the Premier league, but was amazed that your time was 10 mins faster than mine thinking “wow some awesome power” only to see that wkg was comparable to mine on average.

a bit of snooping at Phil’s strava (sorry Phil) reveals we rode it within seconds of you, the difference being the pen waiting time, which for us was 10:30 after “go” in Mocha at 18:30

Why is the pen waiting time added to your ride for these TTT’s?


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 9:39 am
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Isn’t that just how Zwift works? And this whole waiting in the pen is just a workaround.

If you set off 10mins after the ‘Go’ you just deduct 10mins from the Zwift time???


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 9:44 am
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Where are you looking at the results?
They will be forever wrong on zwift.com as far as I know.
Zwiftpower doesn't know teams' start delays (or categories) to start with. Some data pulls back through eventually from the WTRL results site - it definitely updates the category to your coffee class after the fact. I think the times on there get corrected for start delays at that point too.
The results are accurate on the WTRL site (live, then once they appear finalised - they take a while to fully process, and sometimes, like right now, they go down just after the race has been done). Once that's back online, fairness will be restored.


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 9:48 am
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Weeksy don’t be so hard on yourself

I'm alright mate, but in honesty i expect and expected better from myself on that layout. I was trying to put in 30s turns on the front for the first 8km, with 2 mins rest and i think at the time i was putting in a shift and working well. But sometimes i wonder if sitting on Phils wheel is the way forward, but i don't then feel like i'm contributing, so can't accept that. So need to try and feel 'worthy' and put in a shift.
At times we were kinda messing ourselves up as i'd hit the front just as Tiger hit the front and we both ended up screwing up eachothers 'turns' because we were both pushing at the same time.

But really, i shouldn't be getting dropped on that layout, it's the sort of course that suits me more than any other. My power average was only 268w for the 21km i rode with the lads, which isn't bad, but at my best i'd expect closer to 280-290 for that time. My HR average was 166 with a max of 173, there's been plenty of times when 173 should be my AVERAGE for that length of time, hence my disappointment.


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 9:58 am
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Yeah, my organisation and discipline needs work. Phil is just solid.

In other news I’ve screenshot this cause it made me smile....

Yes I know it’s not real...


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 10:03 am
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Yeah, my organisation and discipline needs work.

I'm not blaming you in any way mate... we're just a bit of a rabble 🙂


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 10:06 am
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Went up the Alpe this morning, head was a bit "shall I, shan't I?" for going for a new pb. Set off too fast at the bottom and by halfway I was done so I just tried to get to the top and not worry about a pb. Finished 3 minutes slower but I was ok with that as I backed off.

As a bonus I got the wheels for the second time (sorry @Zilog6128) so 1000xp for that. Only been up 6 times and wheels twice is a good result.

Always feels so hard going up that hill, not sure if I have a sub 1 hour in me, possibly if i lose another 10kg 🙂


 
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Isn’t that just how Zwift works? And this whole waiting in the pen is just a workaround.

If you set off 10mins after the ‘Go’ you just deduct 10mins from the Zwift time???

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Where are you looking at the results?

Zwiftpower, but thats the point of listing people/teams ranked by a time that includes waiting around?

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Posted : 19/06/2020 10:08 am
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Went up the Alpe this morning, head was a bit “shall I, shan’t I?” for going for a new pb. Set off too fast at the bottom and by halfway I was done so I just tried to get to the top and not worry about a pb. Finished 3 minutes slower but I was ok with that as I backed off.

As a bonus I got the wheels for the second time (sorry @Zilog6128) so 1000xp for that. Only been up 6 times and wheels twice is a good result.

Always feels so hard going up that hill, not sure if I have a sub 1 hour in me, possibly if i lose another 10kg

Are you going up at your zwift ftp oop north? Zwift can inflate this a bit for big men, if it's taken from a 20 min effort where you are likely disproportionately stronger. At least that is the case for me, and I can't sustain my zwift ftp on the Alpe. Even 10 W too high on your average readings could have you struggling up top on that climb I reckon.

But if you've been up six times I guess you know the power number that can realistically be put out.


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 11:02 am
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At times we were kinda messing ourselves up as i’d hit the front just as Tiger hit the front and we both ended up screwing up eachothers ‘turns’ because we were both pushing at the same time.
that one is easily solved with a bit of comms! Doesn't even need to be organised, just say/type "Weeksy taking a turn" etc, then everyone knows not to push hard (which is just wasted effort as you say) while you move forward to do a couple of minutes at the front or however long. Then just announce you're done or just drop back & tuck in behind Phil 😎

Apparently the last man is the 2nd hardest spot after front.
My overall average effort was a bit below my FTP, but there were regular bursts of way above FTP where a little gap had opened up and I desperately closed it to avoid being dropped, which does take it out of you (that's my excuse anyway for not doing any turns on the front). Definitely have to be on your toes on the back, if you don't react quickly and a gap of more than 1s develops it can take a serious effort to get it back unless the group slows down for you! (Not complaining, made it a bloody good workout 😂)


 
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I was trying to put in 30s turns on the front for the first 8km, with 2 mins rest and i think at the time i was putting in a shift and working well

The dropping back for a rest bit is very hard to get right.

I certainly don't catch draft as I'm moving back so I need to judge what's going to get me on second wheel then hold that for 30sec or so until I drop into draft them start easing off.

In terms of guessing where that is Phil makes life easy for us, he's metronomic in his power output so I know holding the group is 310-320W until I get draft then I can drop to 250 ish and sit in group. Dropping off the front at anything below 300 sees me drop out the back.

If tiger or I are on the front guessing where to be to hold the group is much harder because we don't have that steady output that Phil does so holding the group until you're in draft might actually be a 350W effort or it might only need 250w.

Trouble is if you're hammering for 30seconds and get that slide back wrong you need to be able to go again immediately to catch on or the gap just gets bigger and bigger.

It's why the good teams pull from the back not 2nd, no one eases off to fall back until they're in draft of the rider coming through already so your efforts look more like 10 seconds *hard* to pull from rear to front, 20 seconds waiting for 2nd wheel to stick, 30 second turn, 10 seconds letting last get infront of you, 20 seconds finding draft, relax. So it's really 10 seconds very high, a minute pull, then relax even though you're only on a 30 second turn.

It's also why it's best we don't take it too seriously!


 
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I’m sorry I missed that. It was a great ride (within a minute of another PL invite).

And within seconds of of two other PL entries from this week's race.

Great effort folks


 
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Trouble is if you’re hammering for 30seconds and get that slide back wrong you need to be able to go again immediately to catch on or the gap just gets bigger and bigger.
this is where a line rather than a blob is really handy as you have a lot more time to sort yourself out before you get thrown out the back! Also maybe we need to get some posters printed up or something & start a recruitment drive - an extra 2 team members would also be really useful 😂

Looking at the splits there were a few teams who finished ahead of us who were well behind on all 3 splits... I guess meaning we slowed down a lot when we dropped to 4 riders? Either that or they sacrificed a few bodies to really speed up right at the end?


 
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Are you going up at your zwift ftp oop north? Zwift can inflate this a bit for big men

Garry, my FTP is 271 and I know I probably need to be doing 300w or more to get under the hour for my weight (88kg). It's hard to keep that all the way up the alpe for me and often I'm around the 250w mark as I tire. First couple of corners today I was at 400w which was probably too ambitious and led to my collapse at the mid way stage. I need to learn to pace it better.

Strangely I found it easier and recovered from about turn 7 onwards at around the 8% or 9% gradients, so I just need to get it right lower down where there are some higher percentage pulls. Definitely weight loss would help to get that w/kg improved and move me faster, I've dropped around 15kg since I started in January so I'm on the right path.


 
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this is where a line rather than a blob is really handy as you have a lot more time to sort yourself out before you get thrown out the back

It's 6 and two 3s really. In a blob you travel faster for less effort on the front. In a line you can relax more at the back for a given speed but have to pull harder on the front when you're there.

Depends what you're comfortable with really but for the same speed it's either putting out a steady "300" ish all the way round in a blob or having to do "375W" pulls on the front but with "200w" relaxes on the back.

So yeah, easier to sort your self out but the trade off is you need to fully beast yourself on the front when you are up.


 
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Either that or they sacrificed a few bodies to really speed up right at the end?

From what I can tell the really serious teams have the weaker riders pulling as hard as they can at the beginning and then dump them when they can't hold it any more so they get quicker as they progress and their strongest riders are really only having to work the last half but they're putting out a pace the weaker ones can't hold anyway by that point.

It's all about the cups not the camaraderie!


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 12:10 pm
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Garry, my FTP is 271 and I know I probably need to be doing 300w or more to get under the hour for my weight (88kg). It’s hard to keep that all the way up the alpe for me and often I’m around the 250w mark as I tire. First couple of corners today I was at 400w which was probably too ambitious and led to my collapse at the mid way stage. I need to learn to pace it better.

You're not too far off then, 2 or 3 kilos off the weight and even a slight bump of the ftp to 280 say would have you there or thereabouts. Don't go 400W early doors though!

Congrats on the weight loss - trying to shrink a bit myself and slowly making some progress.


 
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From what I can tell the really serious teams have the weaker riders pulling as hard as they can at the beginning and then dump them when they can’t hold it any more

Not just the fast teams either - the team behind us last night we're killing a guy called 'Cookie' on the front - and then when he said 'I need a break' they dropped him like a stone!

And I'm not sure the theories of TTT hold up when you've got such a diverse group - and long may that continue.

I would always favour enjoyment/fun and inclusivity over results

This.


 
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Last night was brutal, I was on the rivet throughout and i loved every moment. I tried my best to do a couple of turns on the front to at least feel liked i had contributed, and even had a nose bleed and an FTP increase! So all in all a successful evening session in my book 🙂


 
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And I’m not sure the theories of TTT hold up when you’ve got such a diverse group – and long may that continue.

i would always favour enjoyment/fun and inclusivity over results

Indeed, very easy to take these things too seriously and I rather enjoy the TTT for being a fun race and part of that is having a diverse group rather than 8 people within a W of the category limit.

and even had a nose bleed

Pro tip: Always make the wife dinner before you race.


 
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and i loved every moment.

That's what matters - well done


 
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Last night was brutal, I was on the rivet throughout and i loved every moment. I tried my best to do a couple of turns on the front to at least feel liked i had contributed, and even had a nose bleed and an FTP increase! So all in all a successful evening session in my book

Ha Ha awesome!   I found Tick Tock more brutal that the reverse climb of last week, and I'm not a climber.  It was relentless.

Indeed, very easy to take these things too seriously and I rather enjoy the TTT for being a fun race and part of that is having a diverse group rather than 8 people within a W of the category limit.

Amen to this, the team I'm own is diverse and we aim to finish together.   For the two weeks prior I've been pulling strongly and had to reign it in, this week I was tired and hanging in as a passenger for half of it.   But either way, its bizarrely fun and addictive after you've finished.  I've even caught myself looking at real tt bikes... 8|


 
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Is there a way of seeing the profile of a race route beforehand. i know you can look at the zwift route profiles but these aren't always the same as the race routes as far as I am aware.


 
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@tpbiker have you done a search on ZwiftInsider? That is a pretty comprehensive resource for all things Z!

speaking of which... anyone up for the ultimate Hare & Hounds race? https://zwiftinsider.com/chasing-cancellara-2020/


 
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How much headstart are we giving him?


 
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@IvanDobski that was last year... this year, he's doing the chasing!! Headstart determined by category. Should be hares & hound I guess 😂


 
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speaking of which… anyone up for the ultimate Hare & Hounds race? https://zwiftinsider.com/chasing-cancellara-2020//blockquote >

Given his rep, and if nobody is looking he’ll probably be on a e-bike 👍😀😂😂😂


 
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should probably give the ol' legs a rest after the TTT buuuuuut... I see there's a short ZHQ crit city @17.45 and the ZFF Bologna TT (really enjoyed that a couple of weeks ago!) @18.00. Anyone planning on doing either?


 
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i'm doing a gentle leg spin at the moment but the 2:35 is calling me on Crit. i may even C it and take the DQ to get an emotional boost..


 
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Just wanna say you chaps have def got the right approach, happy to looks at ways of getting a bit better but mostly in it for the enjoyment!

I think the format really rewards teams where the riders are all very close both in total wattage and w/kg, which I think is possible amongst the teams with dozen or so teams where they can pick the teams accordingly. But really it should just about having a laugh and a good workout.

I've had a few weeks off from the TTT with the WKG lot as I was getting a bit disheartened with myself cause I wasn't hitting the numbers in the TTT I thought I should be able to. Just come to realisation it's just a reflection of where I'm at on climbs vs flat and not to worry too much about it.


 
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We don't organise on the front it's push through as you feel able to. Probably worth trying to manage it but somehow you need to get the stronger ones doing it more so a simple rotation won't work.
We try to stay together but past halfway if you lose a wheel and can't get back on you are culled.
1st lost connection last night then was 5 seconds down halfway through the desert 2nd time. He's got loads of power but couldn't get back on. 2nd just at the top of the climb. First time too but no point in waiting that close to the finish.
Our best flat result so far.
We do better on hills and only 1 is a climbers build but then we are getting beaten by Latte teams due to them all having 300w FTPs and weighing over 90kg. On hilly courses we are now getting in the top 5 in Latte (But we are in Frappe). Flat courses we are more like 15th.


 
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. i may even C it and take the DQ to get an emotional boost

I've given up even bothering with the b's cat races as the zwift cats are so idiotic. My power to weight puts me top of b cat, or on a good day more like a low A. Yet I get blitzed by fatties puttimg out 330 watts and about 3 watts per kilo, even in the c class. It's ridiculous.

Obviously I could find a hilly course, but they never have many enteries so there are only a handful of competitors, and realistically, unless the entire course is a climb then you are still at a disadvantage if you are light and in the 'correct' cat, as you have the same w/kg as everyone else on the climbs, but less out right power on the flat.

I wouldn't be racing against folks puttimg out 330 watts in real life crits, so I see no reason to race them online. I'll happily live with cheating if it means I actually get some enjoyment out of the race, which to me equates to not being spat out the back within 5 min after failing to hold 350 watts.

I should point out that despite puttimg out over 4 watts per kilo in each of the 3 x C crits ive done, I've not had a podium finish yet. In fact I've only had one top 10 finish. Which just goes to show the zwift categories are total nonsense.


 
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@tpbiker have a go at the Bologna TT later then - half dead flat, half climb - should suit you perfectly!!


 
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I should point out that despite puttimg out over 4 watts per kilo in each of the 3 x C crits ive done, I’ve not had a podium finish yet. In fact I’ve only had one top 10 finish. Which just goes to show the zwift categories are total nonsense.

On Zwift or ZP for the finish position?

There's a lot of people in completely the wrong category for races on Zwift as it's not forced so it's very easy to think the cats themselves are wrong when the issue is your B race had 30 A riders in it.

Also don't forget though the draft makes a huge difference and can be very hard to find sometimes as you lack the control to tuck in. The upshot of draft and miscategorisation is you can easily end up with a 3.6wkg B drafting a 4.8 A all the way round and leaving you for dead just because zwift happened to stick them on the correct wheel and you on someone doing 1W more than you.


 
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half dead flat, [with a few down slopes just to ruin your rhythm] half [fairly awful] climb [that eases off a bit too much two bends from the top]


 
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I always enter As a B in the tt's as you are only racing against yourself. I usually do ok in the bolonga tt actually, for the reasons you mention. I was looking for a group race tonight though as I did the flat tt on Tuesday. Predictably I got absolutely mullered on the flat...doesn't help o use my actual tt bike on the turbo which robs me of a few watts.

When is the bolonga tt..I may do that and a crit later?


 
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i quite enjoyed the race but bailed at 8lap finish as when i was riding it i suddenly worked out they'd changed the distance on the 14:35 to 12 laps and as i've got Swinley tomorrow i didn't want to kill myself. So i hung about in Group2 of B for 8 laps then stepped off. Power was 271w so not full chat, but not cruising either. The issue in that context is that to stay in lead B group i really do need to be right on my game/form and putting out 300w average, which today i didn't think i'd manage.


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 4:40 pm
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How long roughly does that climb take on the Bologna course @zilog6128? Might get on it but looks a bit horrible.


 
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I've entered the bolonga tt at 6pm


 
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According to my strava the climb takes slightly over 9 min, that's putting out about 4.3 watts/kilo. So you can work out how long the pain will last based on that!

I'm aiming to complete the course in under 18 min.


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 4:50 pm
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https://zwiftinsider.com/bologna-setup/ Not as clear cut as you may expect, due to length of flat run in before the climb, especially when drafting is on.


 
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TP that sounds like Zwift results which are a nonsense, Zwift power is the only place to see what's actually going on. Also you have to be aware within the race who you are racing gotta let those sandbaggers go up the road and find the real group where the race is. Granted sometimes people get away and manage to hang onto a faster rider and sneak under the cat limit but generally works, Ive managed 7 podiums in last 10 or so races.


 
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Thks tp - that does sound painful but will give it a whirl.


 
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I managed 18.03 on bologna TT last time out Gary. I'd guess the climb was about half that if not less as I was trying to keep the pace down on the flat so I didn't over do it.


 
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TP that sounds like Zwift results which are a nonsense, Zwift power is the only place to see what’s actually going on. Also you have to be aware within the race who you are racing gotta let those sandbaggers go up the road and find the real group where the race is. Granted sometimes people get away and manage to hang onto a faster rider and sneak under the cat limit but generally works, Ive managed 7 podiums in last 10 or so races.

I don't think that I lose because everyone else is in the wrong cat. Most of the folks that beat me put out way less watts per kilo, and way more power. A recent race I came 12th. 8 of the 11 in front of me put it over 300 watts. None of those were over 4 watts per kilo. I put out 4.15 watts per kilo, but only 275 as an average.

Ultimately I'm happy to race at a lower level to feel I'm actually in a race, just like I would in real life.


 
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Just eat more pies TP, winner winner cholesterol laden dinner.


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 5:18 pm
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On ZP results or the results as they come up at the finish in game and on the Zwift App?

Out of cat riders are annoying as a C in C only races as they pull away people who I might be hanging onto but they can hang onto someone faster.
Especially up climbs.


 
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https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/lifeline-xplova-noza-s-smart-trainer/rp-prod198085

New to me and in stock, decent specs for £600.


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 5:27 pm
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How long roughly does that climb take on the Bologna course @zilog6128? Might get on it but looks a bit horrible.
as above, under 20 mins for a strong rider to do the whole course & the climb is roughly half time-wise. It [I]is[/I] horrible, but then all TTs/races are IME when you're giving 100% the whole time! At least it's over fairly quickly 😃

New to me and in stock, decent specs for £600.
not heard of it before, decent review on road.cc though and DCR first impressions favourable (altho could not see a trademark in-depth review!)


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 5:32 pm
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Enjoyed the Bologna TT, paced myself a bit better & knocked 20s off my 1st attempt (snuck in under 20mins this time!), nice FTP bump of 6 points, still had a little bit left in the tank at the top too so will try to take the hill slightly harder next time! Saw Gary there, anyone else have a go?


 
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Just finished bolonga. A new pb of 17.17 and power average of 4.41 w/kg. Paced it well.


 
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Was hoping to get outside for a long ride today but with the weather forecast being pants from midday onwards I thought I’d cut the ride short and enter the TT that was on at 2pm. Now I normally ride the TTT for WKG so riding on my own was a bit strange. Did my usual schoolboy error that I do when riding 10mile TT’s outside and set off to fast and paying the price for the last 2miles. Anyway nearly got a 20min power PB, averaged 4.4w/kg for the 23 minutes. To my surprise I came 3rd on Zwift, 2nd on ZP.


 
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Laid my turbo mat out ready to set up, after what seemed to be a consecutive day of wet, when the road outside looked quite dry and nothing falling from sky, but in vicinity...

Got 30mins in and only wet from my own sweat under my Magma jacket/jersey and it's still not rained now. Wish I'd known and paced things not so brutally!

Now can't decide whether to set up turbo or get changed and get dinner started.


 
Posted : 19/06/2020 8:03 pm
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Strong TTing all 💪💪

Did Bologna in 18.04, pacing was OK for a first go but maybe undercooked the flat a little. Not much left up top but reckon I could have laid on an extra 20 or so Watts on the flat without penalty.


 
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Great job all!

Nothing works you up to Friday beer quite like a TT and it sounds like resounding successes all round


 
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Question for those in the know.

When I enter the crits everyone who set off together is in the same cat and I see my position vs the other riders in same cat.

Today I did a 6 lap road race. It appeared we set off at a different time than than the faster cats, but there were still some riders around me in a higher cat right from start. And whilst I could see what cat those immediately around me were, I couldn't see my position in the c cat race was.

Ended up duking it out with some other lad for what we thought was 1st place, only to find a guy must of escaped right at start and had won by over a minute!


 
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Here's the info for this week's TTT.

Thursday, 6.30pm. 1 lap of the Magnificent 8. We have done this course before, and it was a 44 minute effort. It's mainly flat (round but not up the volcano, round the desert) with one climb up the Reverse hill in the middle.

Riders, sign up to category D here: https://www.zwift.com/events/view/907622

I'll post exact start times later in the week.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 11:14 am
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Cheers savoyad, signed up.


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 11:36 am
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Nice one, signed up, enjoyed that route last time! It is gonna be 🔥🔥🔥 though!!


 
Posted : 22/06/2020 11:49 am
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Cool, signed up.


 
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Thanks @savoyad - I've entered


 
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@tpbiker you need to register on ZP and ignore the none ZP racers. Also you're a solid B assuming this is you.
https://www.zwiftpower.com/profile.php?z=25412
You are messing with the C cat races by entering them as you are too strong for them. Yes you'll likely get beaten by 90+kg C races in flat events and Crit City.

You could do with developing a sprint to be able to compete with Bs at the end of races.

You need to get your Zwift Level up to get the better kit. Differnce is small but it helps.
Zipp 808s and as aero bike as you can get. Use the lists on Zwift Insider to pick. Basically anything to make you faster on the flat and downhill as you'll be fine on the uphills.


 
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