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Just stop oil protestors.
I’d replace this with the senior board members of all oil companies.
Aerosmith.
err..American and also covered by men in skintight pants and possibly ladies with their lips done.
Probably. Not sure I’d make a good soldier though due to a tendency to question decisions I don’t agree with.
What makes you think that isn't a strength?
+1 mredd
If the EU invaded, I would roll over and say yes please but anything like the Ukrainian situation and there aren't any romantic options available.
Might try and sneak out a back door but don't think I would choose prison.
What makes you think that isn’t a strength?
IME (as a conscript) the only purpose of pointless and endless discipline was to condition you to follow orders without thinking. An elaborate version of the "Simon Says" game.
And the more pointless and stupid the order the more effective it is long-term in robbing you of your ability to think for yourself.
FFS the French armed forces have three different "ATTENTION!" when an officer/NCO enters a room....."Garde a vous!" if it's an NCO, "Fixe!" if it's an officer, and "A vos ranges, fixe!" if it's a general.
Wtf is the point of all that bollocks, other than to make you their bitch?
Just stop oil protestors.
I’d replace this with the senior board members of all oil companies.
I'd replace it with them and also with climate change deniers who haven't worked out what JSO are talking about.
was to condition you to follow orders without thinking.
No wonder the French are cheese eating surrender monkeys. The point of military discipline is to make you able to carry out (or recognise when not to) under duress, Doing things "the right way" when not in those sorts of conditions makes it easier to do them at the frontline. The military - western democracies anyway have no need for unthinking automatons,
Sent straight to the frontline, call ups should be first and foremost for the following in this order:
Can we add anyone who gets any driving penalty? Two birds with one stone and all.
No wonder the French are cheese eating surrender monkeys.
Kicked your arse in 1066. And that was by just one French province!
The point of military discipline is to make you able to carry out (or recognise when not to) under duress,
To be fair one of the things which was emphasised/drummed in, was how it was prohibited to carry out a war crime even if ordered to do so.
Not entirely surprising for a country which experienced Nazi occupation.
Kicked your arse in 1066. And that was by just one French province!
And I thought the English were bad for banging on about 1966 😁
"The trouble is, it is not a question of numbers, clearly Russia has the numbers, as it did in WW2"
I thought similar but, on checking, discovered that Russia's population is approximately 145 million which for the size of the country seems very small.
Assuming that Poland (41M) and Germany (83M) are on our side (UK 67M) we would have superior numbers even without counting Ukraine (36M) and NATO members. Russia would be badly outnumbered in population terms but may be willing to expend lives more recklessly than those it would be fighting against.
Kicked your arse in 1066. And that was by just one French province!
My family were on the winning side of that particular rumble.
Maybe he knows something we don't...
Kicked your arse in 1066. And that was by just one French province!
Just to prove soldiers can think, wasn't Normandy the land given to be viking marauders to appease them, and keep them from ransacking Paris? Norman, being a derivation of Norseman, so strictly they were of the good scandinavian stock that had been kicking our arse in previous centuries already.. .and not your normal french stock?
On of those derivations of a word that shows its history, like Pennsylvania Dutch actually being german, Dutch being a derivation of Deutsch?
Kicked your arse in 1066. And that was by just one French province!
*Dons pedant hat*
The Normans weren't French, they were the recent descendents of Viking raiders who were given the land to stop them from sacking the rest of France very 5 minutes.
Hence 'Normandy' or 'land of the North Men'
You're thinking of the Franks, who were further south at that time and ended up forming what we now know as France.
Edit: Scud got there first!
Nah, the reason they did so well was because they fully embraced French culture - second generation Normans were speaking fluent French and had abandoned their northern pagan ways.
Edit: The Brits did quite well too after the Normans brought over French culture with them. A bit of gratitude would be nice.
On an aside, I suspect a fascinating correlation between support for mandatory service and opposition to mandatory vaccination.
The Brits did quite well too after the Normans brought over French culture with them.
"the brits?" Nah, the French who still rule us. As the sixth Duke of Westminster said, when asked how to get rich, his top piece of advice was “to have an ancestor who was good friends with William the Conqueror”.
I would only kill someone if they were in front of me threatening myself or my family/friends and it was us or them.
okay. But how about bludgeoning someone into hopelessness and submission via endless repetitive argument?
I have no idea about warfare, but as others have alluded to, I suspect the average uk soldier is going to be far more effective in a combat situation than your average civilian who’s been called up to ‘do their bit’ with a couple of months training. To think otherwise is a bit of a disservice to professional soldiers in the forces
therefore, unless the plan would be for Joe public to sit behind the front lines in some kind of logistics role, I suspect they would be at best utterly ineffective, and at worst, cannon fodder..
Thing may be different if the pesky ruskies were outside in the street raping my female neighbors, as I’d probably be slightly more motivated to take some pot shots at them from behind the sanctuary of my curtains..
On an aside, I suspect a fascinating correlation between support for mandatory service and opposition to mandatory vaccination.
And probably having your own flag pole outside your own house, as they say they difference patriotism and nationalism, patriotism is love for your country comes first , nationalism is hating everyone else's country first.
I suspect the average uk soldier is going to be far more effective in a combat situation than your average civilian who’s been called up to ‘do their bit’ with a couple of months training.
Except that your average 18 year old is often fitter and quicker than your average 31 year old (AV age UK army). Also more likely to take risks without thinking too much about the consequences, which can be both a good and bad thing.
Also more likely to take risks without thinking too much about the consequences, which can be both a good and bad thing.
Bollocks.
I have no idea about warfare
Have a punt mate, it's not like having no clue has prevented hot takes on here before. 😉
Bollocks.
I take it you were just as sensible when you were 18 as you were when you were 31. I can't say the same and nor I suspect can most people.
Which is one of the reasons why car insurance is often a lot dearer for a teenager than a person in their 30s. Although this affects boys rather more than girls.
Why would anyone want to invade the UK anyway?
What's in it for them? Fish and chips and warm beer maybe?
I take it you were just as sensible when you were 18 as you were when you were 31. I can’t say the same and nor I suspect can most people.
Which is one of the reasons why car insurance is often a lot dearer for a teenager than a person in their 30s. Although this affects boys rather more than girls.
Still talking bollocks, have you led a section or platoon or soldiers? Do you have any real experience or is waffling bollocks about car insurance the length and breadth of it?
I know you can't help but pitch into every remotely political convo like you're an expert, but maybe you should try. Or maybe you could ask questions instead of offering your opinion, you never know, you might even learn something.
Except that your average 18 year old is often fitter and quicker than your average 31 year old (AV age UK army).
Probably come in handy as they start looting the local shopping emporiums as the Ruskies attack our shores
The Singletrack Battalion
Obsolete tech at the front or rear of the Battalion - asking for a friend
Absolutely not.
Knackered back, hip and shoulder puts me out before I even get to the mess my head is in.
Still talking bollocks, have you led a section or platoon or soldiers?
Wow! I am not talking about 'leading a section or platoon or soldiers'. I am talking about the widely accepted fact that teenage boys take risks which they are less likely to replicate a couple of decades later.
I doubt that joining the army changes that widely accepted biological fact
In the same way as they are likely to be a little less fit and with slower reaction times in their thirties compared to their teenage years.
But hey, dismiss it as bollocks as you are obviously the expert on the biological development of men.
And well done for somehow twisting politics into this. 🙄
Edit: Btw this was perfectly good humoured and light-hearted thread, until the usual angry punter wades in.
With a toxic environment like that no wonder the first page of this forum often now has posts two or three days old.
You're already conscripted @Drac. We need your clothes, your boots and your iPad.
Also you're a paramedic, you can coordinate the field hospital.
The Singletrack Battalion
The 102nd Chairbourne Division Keyboard Commandos ?
Conscription with Capita doing the processing, it'd be amazing. Waiting lists before basic training are now 173 years long, we're conscripting your sperm and keeping it in a fridge for when spaces open up. But it's YOUNG PEOPLE'S FAULT
Edit: Btw this was perfectly good humoured and light-hearted thread, until the usual angry punter wades in.
I simply don't like you. Just so we're clear.
Good back pedal though, you should consider bike gymkhana.
Conscription with Capita doing the processing, it’d be amazing. Waiting lists before basic training are now 173 years long, we’re conscripting your sperm and keeping it in a fridge for when spaces open up. But it’s YOUNG PEOPLE’S FAULT
Talking about this with a friend last night, the ways it would be a violent and slow moving car crash would reach new heights.
Had a cold when you were 3? Unfit.
The reality with Crapita is they'd probably end up clearing everyone who's commented with their various ailments and reject perfectly fit and healthy candidates.
Reddit is full of stories of how bad it is, applicants aging out as the process is broken, medical rejections with no basis, and on and on.
Tbh if it really came down to it, and the ruskies were at our door, far better use of the STW forum users would be to send in our best negotiator to try to convince Vlad of the error of his ways. Wrapping him up for 12 months with counter arguments and pointless whataboutary will buy the nation valuable time to shore up its defenses
tbh he’d probably just get bored and go back to Moscow shaking his head in frustration..
if I get to drive a challenger drone from my desk, might consider it.
I take it you were just as sensible when you were 18 as you were when you were 31.
I was, I was born sensible 😊