[Closed] Winter or All Season Tyres?

If you live south of Perth and north of Paris then Michelin CrossClimates all year round.

https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-good-are-all-season-tyres/

Never used all seasons but I wouldn’t run full winters in the summer. We have 2 sets of wheels and swap them over in November ish and back in March ish.

Luckily have space to store them and got them cheap so no more expensive in the long run.

We have Scorpion Verdes on our Kuga.  Make sure they are the “All Season”, without that the other version is older and and not as good.   It’s not a winter tyre, and is average in snow so I wouldn’t buy it for that reason.  IMO it provides a bit of extra surety on cold wet days and a little extra grip getting off a wet grass muddy bike event car park.  It has many sipes and lasts a long time and I’m guessing that’s the issue - the compound is likely compromised for true winter use.

I swap to winters some time in October and back again about March. Not supposed to use them above 10c but they’ve been fine on the warm days we occasionally get. They are on my 250hp RWD bus which has no TC and are amazing in the snow, takes a proper effort to spin them up 😀

Last 4 sets have been all seasons, the compromise of a 4 season or even winter in summer is smaller than the compromise of a summer tyre in the cold and wet.

If you have the ability to swap, then of course the right tool for the job is even better, but we don't all have the luxury

Cross climate ftw, and swap so the better grip is on the rear.

Full Winters.

All year.

North of Perth.

Really does depend on where you are and what you want them for.
I run 2 sets because I have to be able to get somewhere unless its the end of the world.
Moved from Sottozero's purely because they wouldn't fit the new smaller car

The eternally damp west of Scotland, cross climates are brilliant.

We swap between full winters and summers with two sets of wheels. Cross Climates are a good all season, we use them at work. I wouldn’t use winters all year though.

What about “in the vicinity of Perth, often north of it, occasionally 500 miles south of it with frequent driving on those roads through the Ochils, including the wiggly untreated ones”?

Any Michelin Agilis Cross Climate users care to comment on road noise levels?

If you've got space then winters and normal tyres is still the best option imo. Especially since it's so easy to pick up used wheels and tyres- people usually sell their winter wheels seperately when they sell a car.

But the allseasons have got really good. We have crossclimates on the work car and while they're definitely not as good as my wintersports, or my old icebears, they do make a massive difference in bad weather and they have a lot of the same benefits in cold-wet-but-not-freezing conditions which you see a lot more of than actual outright snow and ice.

(one thing that seems pretty different is mud, winters do vary on this but I got the work car absolutely stuck on soft ground, and was able to pull it out with my own car then drive the same bit that had glued the work car up. Pretty useful for mountain biking I've found, there's no feeling quite like towing a landrover out of a field with a focus)

I've been running Vredestein Quatrac 5 all seasons for a couple of years. Find them good in all conditions and not particularly noisy. I live in Perth so get all sorts of road conditions. Quite often out at 0530 on winter mornings on untreated roads and never been stuck or felt like I had no grip.

and swap so the better grip is on the rear

The advice from most people is to have the best grip on the front whether fwd or rwd as it is safer to have best braking and turning effect on steering axle

jimw

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The advice from most people is to have the best grip on the front whether fwd or rwd as it is safer to have best braking and turning effect on steering axle

I don't think that it's correct that most people recommend this. Tyre companies don't, IIRC. But it's how I used to do it with 2 winter tyres up front and 2 sensible allrounders on the back, and for me it worked great. People say "more grip on the back is better because understeer is safer" and that's sort of true but it's not a straight swap, more grip on the front can mean you don't lose traction at all, rather than going from under to oversteer. If it's a direct choice on a fwd car then of course you want understeer but you'd rather have neither.

The problem with doing it with winters is that if you drive to the capability of the front tyres, you're going to bin it sooner or later, and I reckon that's a really easy trap to fall into. If you see it as raising the capability of the car a bit, and driving to that capability, then it's better than 4 normal tyres ime. Especially since I've only done it on Fords with weak back brakes. But I'm not sure I'd recommend it to anyone else, I can only say it worked for me.

Now I have 4 winters and 4 normal tyres and that's as far as I'm concerned the best of all worlds.

(one thing that seems pretty different is mud,

The SUV version of Crossclimates are M+S rated as well as the Three Peak Mountain Snowflake.

I’ve taken my Outlander through a few muddy fields and building sites and they’ve been much better than the original summer tyres

The advice from most people is to have the best grip on the front whether fwd or rwd as it is safer to have best braking and turning effect on steering axle

I was one of those most people, but it turns out most people are wrong. As above, if the rear gives up before the front then most people won't be able to deal with it; other way round and you might have a chance.

Obviously if it's snow or ice you can't just drive like a tit because you have all season tyres!

Theres a video on you tube of someone on snow with winters on the front and summers on the back. Undriveable on snow as the back just comes round.

I can see the point about oversteer Vs understeer, seems I'm out of date on this one.I would never put winters on the front or rear axle only
Having 4wd and winter tyres and that I drive very warily in poor conditions and I have had skid pan training perhaps I have got complacent.. thought provoking, might look into a refresher course

csb

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Theres a video on you tube of someone on snow with winters on the front and summers on the back. Undriveable on snow as the back just comes round.

If it's the same video I've seen, they're intentionally provoking it to explain the point more clearly. It isn't undriveable at all- in fact, the rear end obviously performs exactly the same whether you have winter tyres or normal tyres on the back. The problem is that with more grip at the front, it's way easier to get to the point where the rear lets go.

But like I say it's all about the gap after the front tyres would have let go but now don't, but before the rear tyres let go. And on my cars that was a pretty healthy margin, as long as you have the sense and self control to stay in it.

Like Scotroutes I am north of Perth and run winter's all year round. In fact I have done for the last ten years or so. Annual mileage in that time has varied from circa 25k to currently about 8k, ive easily got at least 25k out of a pair and mpg has varied but normally matches or is just below the summer tyre averages. IME they are quieter than summer's but it depends on the tyre.

Im sold on them and can't see me changing unless I lived in the south of england, in which case i'd switch to all season. But do the research, there are good tyres and bad tyres, eg winters that are very very poor in non winter conditions, and all seasons that are less good than either summer or winter tyres in either condition.

As far as running winters on the front axle and not the other, ive done it and wouldn't recommend it. Youll not get stuck in snow but you'll spin the car very easily and once you've done that, youll soil yourself in snow and ice conditions going down hill. But it does take the sting out of buying four tyres at once.

My new motor has just been fitted with a new set of winter contacts so as someone mentioned earlier, I'm now selling the old alloys and winter tyres.

We run Vredestein all- seasons on the van (Trannie) and the car (RAV4) right the way through the year. I work as an outdoor instructor, so tend to be driving about on some lairy surfaces and have never had a problem.

As already mentioned it is easier to control a front wheel skid than rear wheel skid so grippiest tyres go on the back. I wouldnt think mixing All season/ Winter/ Summer tyres is a good idea in winter due to considerable variation in grip during certain conditions - by the time you've realised the less grippy end is sliding it will be bouncing off the hedge/ on the wrong side of the road.

We have Winter/ Summer on one car and all seaon on the other*. The only advantage in Central England of the winter over all season is in the slush, the Winters are considerably better. In snow they are better and on cold damp tarmac I can't tell any difference. If I got though tyres quickly I would just put All seasons tyres on both cars.

* On Mrs Sims car with all season I bought 4 Cross Climates last October and have run the reaminaing two Summer tyres on the front this summer and will continue to do so between April and October untill they wear out. Then stick with the Cross Climates, they're as grippy in summer the Pirelli P7 Cinturatos.

Edit:
The Bridgestone LM 35s with a banded design were much much better on cold tarmac and much more stable at speed than the current Conti TS860s which feel squirmy when the temp goes above 7 degrees. I feel like I want to take them off in spring whereas the Bridgestones felt like I could have left on all year.

Funnily enough ..I've got some Vredestein Quartrac pro's on order ..being delivered to my local tyre fitter ( currently in transit) ..
This is for a 20" wheel ..bought them online through Oponeo ..£316.00 for the pair..which I was well happy with ..
I've never used them before ..so cant offer a verdict ..but have Michelin Crossclimate's on the other car which I cant fault..

Bsims..Just seen your comment about mixing tyres ..I've got crossclimates on the front and Maxxis Victra's on the rear of my front wheel drive car ..which I had through last winter ( in snowy conditions ) ..
They never flickered ..

@ hodgynd - I will recind my comment, for some combinations at least. I found having LM 35s (3mm) on the front and the TS860s (new) on the back was sh!t scary in wet weather on the twisty duel carriageway home. There are often streams of water running across it and when I hit them the rear would twitch and move around.

Edit: I suppose that having good all season tyres like Michelins will narrow the gap. Having some winters on the front and summers on the back will be entertaining if you are lucky!!

Another Perth dweller here. I’m just considering putting full winters on Mrs OTS’ zoé. We live at the top of a steep hill that isn’t always gritted, so I’m considering them over all seasons.

I've run winter/summer tyres on most of our cars over the last 10yrs in sunny Aberdeenshire and can state the following:

Winter tyres seem to wear excessively if left on during summer.

You never seem to change them at the right time but always get a cold snap or a heatwave immediately after putting summer or winter tyres on.

CHanging is a PITA even though I can do a car in 15 minutes with trolley jack and cordless impact driver.

Brand new OEM steel wheels start corroding about five minutes after fitting.

The winter wheels often muck up your pressure monitoring system or similar.

When you change cars you often end up with a spare set of wheels for that car that you then have to stick on eBay/Gumtree or leave in the shed. (Miraculously though, my Volvo S80 alloys with winter tyres fitted exactly on our new Ford Galaxy)

TBH the number of times I've really been glad to have had winter tyres on I could count on one hand - but maybe that's coz I'm comfortable driving in wintry conditions.

I used some Nokian WeatherProofs and they were great. All year round. Will probably use them on both vehicles once the existing tyres are used up.

I ran my T4 for one winter with snow tyre on the front and it was mostly ok apart from inching down my icy street where the back end wouldn't stay in line. On actual snow I didn't notice a problem but safe to say I added a pair on the rear the following winter.

@ Mugboo - I guess if you are sensible you will have a very different experience than if you arn't. Also I think the issue will arise when you performe a violent manouver in a high strees situation. I have found that tyres let go suddenly in the snow and a heavier vehicle takes longer to reach that point.

@ namastebuzz - How did your summer tyres wear in winter? I found taking measure ments that over 10K using just summer tyres they would wear approx 1mm in the warmest 6 months and 2mm in the coldest. Now using summer/ winter they wear about 1 mm each. The winters are on for less time so a higher wear reate but I would expect that as softer. The summer tyres from my unscientific research seem to wear more when harder.

I think this might me because the summer tyres rely more on adhesion from the rubber compound and th winter because of the sipes 'digging' into the tarmac.

Edit: experience most probably counts for a lot especially when being sensible, growing up in Cornwall and experienceing snow twice in 20 years then moving to Central England doesnt give enough time to practise developing nesicary skills.

Autoexpress tests show good All Seasons getting 95-98% of winter tyre performance in snow. So I can't see any argument for snow tyres for almost all conditions. I had the Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons on my fwd Octavia during the Beast from the East a few years ago. I was the only person who got their car out the estate. It was going through snow at bumper level on the flat.

They were also far quiter than the OE summer Bridgestones and great in the wet. No more wheelslip pulling away from lights on wet roads.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/92873/all-season-tyre-test-20182019-results-by-category

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/92869/goodyear-vector-4seasons-gen-2

I'll be putting a set on my Superb when the current tyres wear out. They are Continental Winter Contact TS815s. OK but not as good on snow as the Goodyears and no better anywhere else.

Continental Winter Contact TS860 (Winter Tyre) are supposed to be nearly as good as an all season all year round but superb in the winter. I can’t be arsed to change tyres so I leave my Hankook full winters on and drive accordingly in warmer weather. Wear is quite good, had them on a year and the fronts are down a little but the backs are barely touched. Next tyres will be all season with a snow bias.

irc

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Autoexpress tests show good All Seasons getting 95-98% of winter tyre performance in snow. So I can’t see any argument for snow tyres for almost all conditions. I

Snow isn't all it's about though. I've never seen allseasons come close to winters in ice testing and that's harder to moderate when driving- you can always slow down in snow, you can't really do that when you come round a corner and find sheet ice/refrozen slush laminate

And it's not all about winter, either. Sure a crossclimate isn't drastically far off the day to day performance of my touranzas... But it costs 50% more for starters.

(tbh historically the big difference has been in the "sub 6 degrees but not frozen" conditions that you drive in much more than outright horrible winter, but I'd definitely agree that crossclimates and maybe others have closed that gap)

Last two years in the alps, everyone in the village bar 4x4 was defeated by fresh snowfall on tarmac. Chains were the only way til snowplough cleared or snow packed down. That's with full winter tyres.

Following on from Northwind’s comments. Winter tyres are brilliant on ice, you can feel what is going on and steer appropriately as well as still providing forwards traction. That’s not to say they will save you at any speed every time.

I’ve not experienced ice with the Cross Climates yet.

London dweller here, though holiday in cold/hilly places including at xmas

Rear drive merc estate here, have cross climates on the rear, normal summers on the front. Waiting for me to need to change the fronts, will then put cross climates on there too. Only had a year with this set up, no snow or ice encountered so far!

As others have said, depends entirely on where you live. I drove in snow/ice twice this year, my crossclimates coped fine. It be be utterly stupid in my situation to have a dedicated set of winter wheels/tyres. For others, much further up north then it could make a lot of sense to have them.

I'm west of Glasgow, with cool, often wet conditions, occasional frost and infrequent snow. My wife's last car had summer tyres on alloys and winter tyres on steel wheels, changed every Oct / March. The difference is marked as conditions worsen. We found true winter tyres to be massively better on cold tarmac that has water, frost, snow or slush on it. They are slightly better on cold tarmac and slightly worse as things go above 10 degrees. It was a pain in the hoop to remove, clean and store a set of wheels in the loft so she has a 4x4 now.

My own car is a fwd diesel estate. I changed the original P7 Cinturatos to Cross Climate+ and won't be going back. They are better at everything except warm dry conditions, a rarity round here. They are slightly noisier than the P7s and are perhaps a marginally stiffer ride but the safety improvements, particularly in snow, more than compensate.

I don't understand why UK cars are fitted with summer tyres by default when all season tyres suit our maritime climate far better for much of the year. Why fit something designed to cope with a Greek summer then drive about on tarmac that needs occasional gritting for 4 months of the year? Horses for courses.

Malvern area here.

I have Falken Euroalls on the CRV. Previously had Bridgestone Dueller all seasons. Both have been fine. On the odd snowy day, just drive (within sensible limits etc), no sitting and spinning or messing about trying to dig out or babying it away from a standing start.

No downsides during summer as far as I can tell - wear rate is close enough to not spot any difference and any loss in outright grip in the terrible heat of a baking British summer is far less of a concern than the extra grip on wet, cold and slippy stuff.

I'll not fit summers again.

I use winters and summers, am in East anglia and switch nov/mar.
Because of the odd tyre size on my mazda when I bought it, it actually worked out cheaper to get a set of 16" wheels and tyres than to replace the summers. So as I have a spare garage it was a no brainer, the winters are fantastic when the temp drops and it rains.

It depends.

+ Winters:
Better performance in icy/snowy weather.
By default you'll be changing your tyres over twice a year, as long as you don't do mega miles/drive like a nutter, you can swap often enough F to R to keep wear even (just hit 60k miles, winters were changed over last year at about 50k miles, all evenly worn, summers all evenly worn and I'll probably change them over when it comes to summer time again).

+ All season:
Better across a range of conditions, we don't have predictable seasonal tempreatures here so you avoid running winters in 15°C. I did notice a comical lack of dry grip in summer with winters on, when they were worn anyway and so I couldn't be bothered putting the summers on. I'm sure some winters are better for this, but 4 season tyres would be best.
You don't have to swap them twice a year.

I had the opportunity to test out the Michelin Cross Climates last winter on the snow. I wasn't mega impressed - certainly better than summer tyres but IME less good than full winters I've had previously. I think for me, they're still a good all round compromise and the wet weather performance and noise is excellent. I've done the wheel changing thing before and can't be bothered with that. We live a fair bit above sea leve at the bottom of a hill so the £100 or so premium over decent branded summer tyres is worth ti for me.

I'm currently trying a set of the Goodyear 4 season tyres, but not used in the snow yet.

Winter tyres are not just for Snow, they perform far better in the sub 6deg winter Permaslime we get from Oct-March.
I run 2 sets of wheels for each car, winters and summers
I even have full winter tyres for the Caterham, just because its loads of fun 😉

A Caterham with winter tyres would be a right laugh. Although not sure it would be fun to be out for a long time without being dressed for the Arctic

It has a heater 😉 its RWD and it has a Proper LSD 😉 what more would you want for fun in the snow ?

Just read the latest test for winter tyres in Finnish magazine - they tested Michelin Cross Climates among winter tyres for Nordic market. Cross Climates were a lot better than any other tyre on test on dry and wet tarmac both in handling and braking test.
On snow and ice they were dead last in each tested category but most significant gap was in braking on ice (50km/h to 0km/h), best studded tyre stopped in 36.5m, best tyre without studs 48.4m (Michelin X-Ice XI3) and CC's took 78.1m. Braking on snow (80km/h to 0)) the difference was only 5m between best unstudded tyre and CC.

The test methods should be pretty solid after they have done these for decades. However, driver in UK will have different preferences than drivers in Nordic countries.

Are winters really required in most of the UK? I run Goodyear F1 asymmetrics all year round, 280bhp x-drive and no issues as yet, coped fine getting me around in the snow we had last winter, work brilliant in the wet and after 30k miles still have 3mm on the fronts and 4mm on the rears so have worn well.

No requirement to run winters.
the only reason I do is because it increases my safety margin.
wrote off a car years ago on a hill in the snow because the tyres couldn't grip the slushy crap and abs did sod all. Was doing about 10 mph all the way down the hill and could do nothing.
Not been in the same situation since but my wife wrote off her car a while ago on black ice (and nearly stuck herself in the river too). In my car with winters I drove all the way to her absolutely fine (only to nearly go on my arse when I got out the car - yes it was that slippery)
Proceeded to get my wife safe then watch about another 6 cars either crash or have big moments on the same bit of road.

That's why I run them, not because of need, simply because it gives me a chance of it all goes wrong.
no grip makes any car into a sledge.

I live in rural Aberdeenshire

Michelin premacy on the car were a liability in the cold wet - winter tires don't just offer a benifit in snow or ice.

Pulling away off the hill junction into the nsl road on a long sweeping curve was a liability where the best will in the world meant the car would wheel spin.

Fitted Nokian winters and not looked back.

Had all seasons fitted to the previous car and they were ok all rounders..

If all seasons were not an option I'd have winters all year round before I fitted summer tires again. Pretty crap most of the year round at the times we use the car.

If you live in the south ymmv

I've often used winters all year round. Fuel economy has remained roughly the same. There's a difference in feel, not as responsive as summer tyres (they just feel squidgy) but no loss of grip, and a hell of a lot more grip during the winter months. Fantastic in the snow, to the point where I've driven other cars in a light dusting and been horrified by the loss of grip - bearing in mind I drive a rear wheel drive automatic. Difference is night and day.

Thought I'd give Cross Climates a try this time, given the rave reviews. Supposedly they're good to get you going in the snow but don't get the same grip cornering. Not used them through winter yet, so we shall see. So far they feel like a summer tyre.

Just read the latest test for winter tyres in Finnish magazine – they tested Michelin Cross Climates among winter tyres for Nordic market. Cross Climates were a lot better than any other tyre on test on dry and wet tarmac both in handling and braking test.
On snow and ice they were dead last in each tested category but most significant gap was in braking on ice (50km/h to 0km/h), best studded tyre stopped in 36.5m, best tyre without studs 48.4m (Michelin X-Ice XI3) and CC’s took 78.1m. Braking on snow (80km/h to 0)) the difference was only 5m between best unstudded tyre and CC.

The test methods should be pretty solid after they have done these for decades. However, driver in UK will have different preferences than drivers in Nordic countries.

This would concur with my experience of owning them. Worse as a winter tyre than the worst winter tyre but with upsides elsewhere

Had a (new to me at least) experience today, my fronts had worn down and so went in to get a new pair of Cross Climates and asked the tyre place to move them to the rear and the part worn rears to the front....and they said they couldn't because of the tyre pressure monitoring system. I've subsequently googled and seems they are right, without the computer to remap the TPM it would have just meant the car (Kia) flagging it up with an annoying fault light.

I've never had TPM on a car before, but shouldn't a tyre place be able to do this? I'll confess, it was Kwik Fit (because they had as good a price for CC's as anywhere else currently) but would an indy be able to? Otherwise I'll fetch it into the Kia place and ask them to sort it.

Every car that I have owned with a TPM system have a reset button to reset the system to the new tyres and change in pressures- otherwise how could you adjust for full load etc.etc.

this seems to suggest there is a reset on some Kia's
https://www.kingdomkia.com/reset-tire-pressure-light/

Hit my first patch of ice of the year this morning, will be fitting my winter tyres at the week end. I don’t recall having to put them on this early last year and the year before, I generally wait for a full week of morning commutes below 7.

Anyone else found this or Are you already tooled up?

Both our cars got fitted up again last weekend. Already been enjoying driving round people on roundabouts on the dual carriageway roundabouts on the way to work in the wet and cold we have had.

To be fair my summer tyres were down to 3mm so not the best comparison, they will be getting changed for next summer.

Pondering this myself.. not tooled up yet but probs switch over in the next week or so. Got a set of Pirelli Sottozeros in the garage to go on that were superb last winter.

Winters went on the wife's car. On Sunday night.

Probably could have done with going on about a fortnight ago.

My car got a bit skitty last week even on the track because the rain had frozen over on the farm track-and that was with winter tires on.....I leave them on mine all year round account of low summer milage.

Had mine on for two weeks. Guess only below 7 this last week but liking the squidgy ride comfort on the a and B roads to work. Second year of Pirelli winters. Changing them is a bit of a faff. Added bonus is getting a second use out of them going to the alps for a week.

Fort William. Moved from Michelin Cross Climates to Goodyear Vector 4 seasons. The latter seem better for me, but then they are closer to winters than the Michelins.

Put mine on last Friday. Driving back from Peebles at 10pm the car told me it was -2C so I think I timed it right.

I swap to winter tyres each year. It costs more but the stopping performance in the cold is significantly better, and there's no scrabbling around on a cold wet road.

Being able to cruise past struggling 4x4s in the snow is another advantage.

Some (cheap?) winter tyres are simply appalling in the wet. Check reviews before buying. There's no reason why you can't run them year round (there isn't a huge difference in warm conditions) and I believe the RAC fits winter tyres to their vans as a matter of course.

I changed mine back to summer tyres when it was really hot a couple of years ago and I realised that I'd left tyre tracks in the road which led right to my front door.

Nokian weatherproof are very good all season, no aquaplanjng in summer and very confident driving in the winter. I was swapping tyres for many years and now freeing the garage from summer sets an all 3 cars. 7-8mm after 2 years and 17k not a bad wear.

Something to consider. The cost of changing the tyres over twice a year. I run summers and winters, and it costs me £80 a year to swap them over, I'm now thinking about decent 4 seasons come the next change over, as my summers have only a few thousand miles on ( a months driving) so no point in putting them back on. We have run my wife's car on all seasons for the last 5-6 years and can't complain.

andy8442

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Something to consider. The cost of changing the tyres over twice a year. I run summers and winters, and it costs me £80 a year to swap them over

What am I missing? It costs me £0 a year to swap my tyres.

Using the Same rim, it’s cost effective to buy some new rims for fitting winter tyres?

I've just ordered some Maxxis AP2 on recommendation of two colleagues - having them fitted to my spare wheels tomorrow.

Maxxis AP2

I've one of them (a puncture replacement).
Good tyre grip wise in winter and cold. Noisy.

Something to consider. The cost of changing the tyres over twice a year. I run summers and winters, and it costs me £80 a year to swap them over,

Errr what now? £0 and less than an hour outside my house. You don’t pay someone to do it, do you?

Anyone else found this or Are you already tooled up?

Mine is on all seasons for the whole year. Mrsm's car came with four of the finest ditchfinders, not changed yet, but will get that on some decent all season boots, too.

I have a boot full of Vredestein Quatrac Pros as of last night. Fitting tomorrow.

of course theres an assumption that people have space to store a set of 4 wheels when not fitted to the car.

also reminded this morning that nothing grips on frozen rain.

have a 90 degree corner just down from the house - doing 5 mph , first gear having done all my slowing on the straight - turned the corner and the back end just swung round in slow-mo stopped with my nose against the banking.

then going down the hill to the bridge - the roads too narrow for 2 cars and i met a car coming towards me - i steered for the verge for some traction off the grass and then touched the brakes - the guy coming towards me just hit the brakes - i could see his rear end coming round - and that was uphill. - no idea what tires he had on mind..... mines were snowflake and mountain marked.

Ordered two new winters and had them and the rest of the set fitted this morning. It’s is now decidedly much warmer around here. Typical.😡

I'm looking at getting some Maxxis all season tyres too (AP3? just released). Pretty good reviews and £20 a corner cheaper than a Goodyear.

Same company as the MTB tyres I assume??? Funny how they are scrambling just to get to the midrange charts in the car tyre world.

bsims

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Using the Same rim, it’s cost effective to buy some new rims for fitting winter tyres?

As long as you can store them, yes, absolutely. Better yet, buy some wheels with winter tyres on. If you've got a common wheel size, which you probably do, then it's usually pretty easy to pick up a set from someone who's sold/written off/scrapped a car. It can take a little research, like, I had a mondeo but the wheel fitment is the same as modern volvos, and there's nothing more volvish than winter wheels.

(I got my wintersports for this car, with 8mm tread on all 4 tyres, on decent alloys, for £200. My snowproxes on ****ing hideous alloys for the mondeo were £120 IIRC. And icebears on steels for the focus were something daft like £60. Makes me wonder why I buy new summer tyres actually, since I basically get 2 free tyres and a free set of rims every time)

Had Quatrac Pros put on a few weeks ago. All good so far.

A German documentary about rubber production for tyres, and the ethics, ecological impact and economics .

Plus some thoughts on tyre retreads.

I’ve run cross climate +’s for the last 2.5 years on a golf r estate. Through the heavy snow of two years ago also.

I’ve found them to be excellent, especially so in the wet. Wet braking is superb. Snow wise I found them very good, the reports of sub par performance don’t match my experience.

After 20k Miles they had 6mm tread all round and they didn’t need swapping. Big thumbs up from me.

@Northwind- you some good deals there. I got mine from a main dealer years ago on a package deal that was cheaper than anyone else could supply just the tyres. You can also still get wheel and tyre packages like the old days, when lots of cars were upgraded to alloy as steel was standard.

Just put some Vredestein Quatrac 5’s on the other half’s Mini, only 175-65-15’s. They are skinny compared to today’s trend for wide low profile tyres so should grip well hopefully even though they aren’t full winters. They are asymmetric as well so perform really well in the wet and cold. Pleased so far, we’ll see how they do if we get any white stuff.