Wim Hoff & Raynauds - anyone tried it???

Also interested if this is a proper 'cure' or just a 'well this doesn't hurt as much as the bloody iced water' type cure.

I remember a program where a Japanese organisation could 'cure' arthritis in peoples hands. They basically beat them with bamboo poles until the joints crumbled roughly into shape. As the 'patients' were left to recover, they were asked to agree that they felt better or they could undergo another treatment.

Is that Wim Hoff the domestic violence guy?, he’s a bro Jogan grifter and pretty much full of shit

Fwiw I had/hve reynauds for years and nothing ever made a difference, the nhs/docs just shrugged and told me to keep warm/avoid the cold which is part of for the course with that bunch of useless ****s.

Heres my white finger from a warm summer evening 7 years back, I’ve not had it for 5+years as I don’t go outside these days due to SPMS limitations 

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I’d rather not naively jump in and get more chilblains as getting shoes on in the morning is a whole world of expletives at the moment. Christmas holidays is normally just long enough to get them healed.

Looks oh so familiar Soma. At least your thumbs functioning…….

Not so much a Wim Hoff thing but my GF used to suffer from Raynaulds - to the extent that she'd wear ski mits on summer bike rides as her hands would go white on long descents. She'd even have to wear gloves when we were cycling in the south of France.

She took up open water swimming, and swims right through the year,  and hasn't had an issue with raynaulds since she did.

It wasn't the plan - its not why she took up swimming, but when she did and once her swimming started extending through the winters there was a realisation that it just doesn't seem to happen anymore.

i suffer a bit.  tried the hot water cold water thing and it does seem to ease the issue for a while.   needs to be a regular thing i think.

I'm gonna go with what Maccruiskeen has said, too.

Although I don't suffer from Raynaulds, I do lake swim through the year with people that do, and they tell me that their lives are much more the better for it.

I have always suffered with chilblains every single winter that I can remember, and when I started daily cold showers and lake swimming (twice a week) at the start of this year the chilblains were tough to bear, however this year the water temp is already touching 6 deg, and I'm not worried about wearing neoprene socks yet as my toes are holding up nicely.

I'm pretty sure domestic violence doesn't cure Reynaulds 

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I'm pretty sure domestic violence doesn't cure Reynaulds

True. And the cold water thing used to work, right up til he was convicted of domestic abuse - then it just didn't work any more  🙄 

It wont be used in this house thats for sure. I think we are going to stick to traditional medical advice and keep them warm. All this will do is speed up the damage the condition causes. 

Given Reynaud’s is a condition that features reduced peripheral cutaneous circulation I’m unconvinced that this is a viable treatment. Perhaps Wim should stick to ice baths and snake oil and leave medicine to professionals?

Avoiding cold temperatures, the major trigger for Raynaud phenomenon (RP), is the most effective therapy available.

Ive suffered for over 30 years from it , it used to only be pinky and next digit on one hand but over the years all eight fingers but never the thumbs. Could happen any time of the year. Possibly nerve damage to start with and maybe the cycling pushing on the ulnar nerve

Anyway it's disappeared since I started to take methotrexate for auto immune arthritis, having read up about the drug it more often causes white finger

Sufferer here. Winter cycling is hard, anything below 5 or 6 degrees is tough. Pogies help the best. Wind and rapid temperature changes can trigger it for me, eg getting out a warm car into the house, the freezer aisle in the supermarket…… Anticipation is the best way of managing it IMHO. Nice warm core, keep wrists covered up and warm etc. I don’t fancy cold water therapy! 

I find it's an early warning sign for getting cold. As in "I feel warm enough, but my fingers are going white, clearly I need to put some more layers on"

The Hoff method, nah I'll stick with science.

I'm a long time sufferer too. Anything  below double digits means waxy dead fingers. Biking in the winter has been miserable. In fact all sorts of things were becoming impossible.

I have hope though, I've been prescribed Nifidepene which is making a real difference. I'm not sure if its the placebo effect but It's definitely better. 

Time will tell..

No idea about the Wim Hoff psuedoscience stuff, but I'm a long time Reynauds sufferer - can get white fingers in the middle of summer if not careful - and I've been experimenting recently with using less glove. Since I can wear thick liners inside pogies when it's 5° and still have no feeling in my hands, I started thinking **** it and riding in just mitts and paradoxically I seem to have better feeling. For enduro type riding, mitts for descents and then big lobster gloves for the climbs seems to work quite well. Thanks for reading about my exhaustive study.

Just to say, I think Wim Hoff is full of shit and a grifter.

However, when I was climbing a lot and getting a lot of tendon injuries in my hand one of the things I tried was putting my hand in icy water for 15 minutes. The problem with finger injuries is that they don't get much blood circulation so they take a long time to heal.  The idea is that the cold causes the blood vessels to contract which will then cause increased blood flow once you remove your hand.

I'm not sure if the icy water helped but certainly after submerging my hand and removing it from the water it was quite red for half an hour to an hour afterwards.

Whether the red colour was actually increased blood flow and if this can possibly result in increased blood flow at other times I really don't know.