[Closed] Wills and Kate

Well you seem to care enough to create a discussion thread about it.

Well you seem to care enough to create a discussion thread about it.

Ignore the others - I care about how much you don't care.

I think they're just great.

What exactly is the purpose of these Royal tours - a holiday disguised as work?

I think they're just great.

And who cares what you care about?

🙂

Double flange.

What exactly is the purpose of these Royal tours

To show Australians and New Zealanders their future King I believe.

What exactly is the purpose of these Royal tours

To show Australians and New Zealanders their future King I believe.

Poor sods - hang on we're going to be lumbered with them as well.

Look at all those crowds of happy people......

To be born a king is surely old skool clap trap.
Shouldn't an Empire chose their ruler based on if he's the right man for the job?
Not just son of a previous one.
Without the abdication of Edward VIII the bloodlines would be so different and Wills wouldn't exist.
Posh girl from Berkshire Kate would be like her sister. Not the Queen.

I try to ignore it.

It's my tiny act of rebellion. If everyone did it, they would fill the newspapers with something important.

EDIT: or more likely, some different celebrities.

Shouldn't an Empire chose their ruler based on if he's the right man for the job?

Democratically choose someone to govern our country and represent us on the world stage?

Do you really think that gets you the "right man for the job"?

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Without the abdication of Edward VIII the bloodlines would be so different and Wills wouldn't exist.
Posh girl from Berkshire Kate would be like her sister. Not the Queen.

I'm going to have to take your word for it as I've never given it much thought, you obviously take a keen interest in the subject.

I could look at her royal gorgeousness all day.

But do you realise how much it costs to keep them "employed".
Windsor castle burnt. That is the queen's gaff. If your house was to burn the insurance would cover it.
Queenies house burnt down. 60 million pounds to fix!!! Queenie said she'd pay a bit, open up Buck Palace and start to pay tax! She had never paid any tax until that fire in 1992. Others would be in jail for tax evasion but not Lizzie. Everyone loves Lizzie.

GrahamS, You win

Have we done watery bints handing out scimitars yet?

iolo - Member

Everyone loves Lizzie.

Fair point.

Vive la République !

Graham has a point though, Lizzie is well down my list for the guillotine.

I could look at her royal gorgeousness all day.

Who are this Wills and Kate you speak of,some exd soa[p stars,boy or girl band members now reuited, or someone off benefits street taking cash off the taxpayer for not doing any work,and getting free holidays.

Scroungers living off the state with no intention of working. Why hasn't IDS got his sights on them? Oh, yeah...

I have no problem with them whatsoever. I would hate to be a royal. Although they get to hang out in some pretty special houses / palaces, they don't really own them do they. They can't sell them and spend it all on coke and ho's. In effect, we own those buildings and the only thing wrong is that we should have access to more of them for free. They as people are owned, I'd hate that life. They have to work until they die in the public eye and as an entity surely they bring in more in tourism revenue than they cost us in tax.

They have to work...

Yeah, right.

I'd happily keep paying the 53p a year if it keeps annoying people that much. 🙂

First against the wall come the revolution.

They make a lot of people happy so well worth having.

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Worth every penny.

This ram is clearly a fan - or he has 5 legs
Wills looks like he's going to lamp him 🙂

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My word!
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My biggest problem with the royal family is that they give Nicholas witchell an excuse to exist.

I'd happily keep paying the 53p a year if it keeps annoying people that much.

Can you also pay the 53ps of the millions of people who don't want to pay it.

(Does the 53p include all the hidden costs that aren't published?)

This is one of those topics that shows me how different the views many other people have are from mine. I find it astonishing that people could possibly think the concept of royalty is anything other than abhorrent. There's worse things in the world obviously but the idea of royalty is so obviously wrong to me as to be past debate. Cannot believe we are still subjugated in this way.

Does the 53p include all the hidden costs that aren't published

I find it astonishing that people could possibly think the concept of royalty is anything other than abhorrent.

It's not 1509, you know?

thepurist - Member
My biggest problem with the royal family is that they give Nicholas witchell an excuse to exist.

Will their son be the last King ❓

Will the future be elected "King" ❓

Will their son be the last King

Why wait till him?

sweepy - Member

Will their son be the last King

Why wait till him?

Because the older generation is still here. 🙄

Get rid of the lot of em, the Evening Standard (watered down Daily Wail) has been running 4 page spreads on them on their [s]holiday[/s], [s]self promotion [/s]trip to the other side of the world.

They need to sell newspaper you know hence the inevitable consequences of publicity.

I have no problem with monarchy but they will never last. Nothing last forever.

Because the older generation is still here.

Mate, I [i]am[/i] the older generation.

sweepy - Member

Because the older generation is still here.

Mate, I am the older generation.

There are [u]older older[/u] generation that keeps reminding the rest of the past. 😆

Is the presidential system better?

Cannot believe we are still subjugated in this way.

I'm amazed that you can type with all that weight of tyrannical oppression on your shoulders. The yoke of torment around your neck. The suffering of the subjugation must be terrible for you. I mean, every day, you're oppressed by it, aren't you? Stops you from leading the life you wish you could, doesn't it? Stops every little bit of your freedom doesn't it?

Have we done watery bints handing out scimitars yet?

We have now! It's no foundation for governance.

AA, I assumed you liked kids with being a teacher and all but suggesting you would happily see a 10 month old boy shot I'm not so sure. What is it about him that you think he deserves such action?, seriously what has he done?. 🙁

Yes I am oppressed everyday and I would wish to live in a meritocracy, the royal family are just poster boys for the monied elite who think they are superior to others by accident of birth.
However rather than trying somewhat crudely to duck the issue through a poor attempt at ridicule maybe you could suggest how the concept of royalty is a good thing?

I love the ability of people on here who as far as I can recall I have never interacted with to bring up my job.

How do the royal family oppress you every day, then?

Wow, talk about touchy, I didn't realise it was invitation only to interact with you, my mistake, I'd always considered it an open forum, I didn't realise ...

Why don't you just, erm, posit why you think it's such a good idea...rather than asking more questions?*

*Yes, that's another question.

EDIT: @ O'Flashearty

They oppress me everyday by subjugating me. Any chance you could suggest how the idea of royalty is anything other than abhorrent?

Oops

Meritocracy has merits but it still suffers from the criticism of being largely an accident of birth. You can't escape that...

...I feel no subjugation, indeed the very few times that I have been in the presence of royalty have been quite the opposite. Looking at the crowds and the joy that they are having, it seems that I am not alone. Hard to describe that as abhorrent.

They oppress me everyday by subjugating me

One example. Go on. 😉

If we didnt have a so called royal family, would anyone actually sit down at a computer and create them, with the huge cost implications for the rest of us.

They just seem a tireless aged throwback to a previous age,bit like woolworths pic and mix past their sell by date,and all look the same.

If they want to be amongst the people get rid of police protection, big houses and flash cars and live in inner city birmingham with the masses luv.

However rather than trying somewhat crudely to duck the issue through a poor attempt at ridicule maybe you could suggest how the concept of royalty is a good thing?

To be fair you have ridiculed yourself with comments such as [i]"They oppress me everyday by subjugating me".[/i] I'm struggling to believe that you are actually being serious.

IMO the monarchy has no role in an advanced democracy but firstly we don't have an advanced democracy, and secondly, the monarchy is pretty much an irrelevance in the 21st century anyway. Try keeping some sort of perspective which chimes with actual reality instead of talking about being oppressed and subjugated.

Not a massive fan of royalty but wills and kate seem decent enough folks.

As for the 'born in to luxury' argument, on the flip side you could have been born into a family of goat herders in Rwanda...I'm sure they're probably as bitter as you are when they read about all of those lucky sods on STW riding around on their 4k carbon pushbikes.

Now I've never interacted with Ernie but I hope he doesn't mind me agreeing with him, I really don't believe they all need shooting as they really are not that relevant.

Queenie is relevant enough to have a weekly audience with the prime minister, how many of her subjects get that privilege.

As long as they are not bureaucratic zombies they can be as royal as they want.

What worries me is that perhaps they're more relevant than we realise, we assume it's just the Queen doing her silly wave, Charles being a t**t, and Wills and Kate looking lovely... but are those weekly meetings with the PM just the tip of the iceberg? Do they actually have real undemocratic power?

FWIW Kate is hugely popular in the press here in Spain, from a UK PLC point of view she's worth every penny.

I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and guess that those slagging off the monarchy also put similar effort into slagging off the government.....
Just a guess.....

Personally, back in 1642 I wouldn't have been on Cromwellls side.
Would you stand with Cameron if civil war broke out now?

Cannot believe we are still subjugated in this way

Are we? When has the existence of the monarchy impinged on my life?

As for the money thing - I have heard lots of different answers to the question of whether or not they scrounge off the state.

Not a Royalist, so don't give two shoots

Would you stand with Cameron if civil war broke out now?

No, standing with Cameron would be standing with the royalists.

But if a political party proposed disbanding the monarchy I would consider it a positive policy that would have my support.

In all fairness, the absolutist Monarchy of the Stuarts (divine right of kings was a new idea to England) was far, far different to the Monarchy we have today. Whilst i would have joined Lilburne & his Levellers in the 1640's & think that the events of January 31st 1649 were brutally necessary, the Monarchy of today is an irrelevance rather than the brutalist rule of a religious minded elite.

Yes I am oppressed everyday and I would wish to live in a meritocracy,

You could just move back to the green green grass of home....

Funny thing is, enough people even like them there: they're both hugely popular in north wales as that's where they stayed, very low key, whilst wills fished those in dire need out of the sea and off mountains. I'm not a particular fan of the concept of royalty, but within the bound set for him in his life, William seems a pretty decent bloke, Kate is nice enough, and George hasn't even reached the age of one.

So, back to that meritocracy: wanting to shoot a rescue pilot, his wife and son? I'll happily judge you on the merit of that vitriolic statement.

This is one of those topics that shows me how different the views many other people have are from mine. I find it astonishing that people could possibly think the concept of royalty is anything other than abhorrent. There's worse things in the world obviously but the idea of royalty is so obviously wrong to me as to be past debate. Cannot believe we are still subjugated in this way.

agree with this.

I believe I may have aired some of my views surrounding this subject on here previously.

Going by the company the royal family have kept in the not too distant past, I think it's fair to say their holidays are just a PR exercise to keep the brand positive.

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Lets not forget Jimmy Savile was close enough to act as a mediator between Charles and Diana...

[url= http://childabusejointhedots.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/what-jimmy-savile-really-did/ ]Which leads to a LOT of unanswered questions[/url]

Furthermore, within the past few months, there was a story in the press of how the Queen was skint and needed more public money to fix up the palace, however, being as she rules over a number of Offshore Tax Havens, including the worlds richest, Jersey, which coincidentally was [url= http://www.****/news/article-2218517/Jimmy-Savile-pictured-surrounded-children-Jersey-care-home-192-suffered-abuse.html ]regularly visited by Jimmy Savile[/url] (often in the company of Royals), I can't help but wonder if her madge was playing the media like a sneaky so & so

Funny then that Leah Mcgrath Goodman the award winning journalist who wished to investigate Jersey was [url= http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman/david-miranda-uk-detention_b_3844480.html ]detained for over 12 hours[/url] and had her visa revoked on the authority of the Home Secretary for no apparent reason, only to have it reinstated about 18 months later after [url= http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2013-14/344 ]intervention by an MP[/url]

I wonder what the noble Royals would have to say on that matter?

[url= http://www.vanityfair.com/society/features/2011/08/prince-andrew-201108 ]Perhaps Prince Andrew would be a good spokesperson[/url]...

Sorry, didn't read most of that, can we just get back to pictures of Kate in nice dresses please?

Not on your nellie!! 😉

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and somehow, I neglected to post a link to [url= http://www.newsweek.com/2014/01/17/jersey-taxes.html ]Leah Mcgrath Goodman's piece on Jersey[/url]

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Can you imagine what Prince Philip thought when he met her?

The Jimmy Savile/Frank Bruno/Yorkshire Ripper/Prince Charles/Lady Diana/Queen Mother/pedophile/serial killer/heavy weight boxer link, eh ?

If that doesn't make the case for the abolition of the monarchy then I don't know what does.

Jive Honey and a saville link, I just fell off my chair

Nah, it makes for the case of the abolition of Hello magazine and its ilk.
And its readers

Aye, doubly so when there is plenty of hot totty in the public eye whom don't require tax funding.

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