[Closed] wikileaks stuff

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you can get a special clamp to help with that.

Looks like the founder has been arrested now too. All stinks to high heaven that does.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110 ]Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested[/url]

From: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/dec/07/wikileaks-us-embassy-cables-live-updates

11.40am: Internet guru Clay Shirky has an interesting post on WikiLeaks and how America's pursuit of the site opens it up to the charge of hypocrisy:

"The leaders of Myanmar and Belarus, or Thailand and Russia, can now rightly say to us: "You went after WikiLeaks' domain name, their hosting provider, and even denied your citizens the ability to register protest through donations, all without a warrant and all targeting overseas entities, simply because you decided you don't like the site. If that's the way governments get to behave, we can live with that."

In this context comments by Hillary Clinton (left) in a Foreign Policy article earlier this year are coming back to haunt her:

"On their own, new technologies do not take sides in the struggle for freedom and progress. But the United States does. We stand for a single internet where all of humanity has equal access to knowledge and ideas. And we recognise that the world's information infrastructure will become what we and others make of it.

This challenge may be new, but our responsibility to help ensure the free exchange of ideas goes back to the birth of our republic. The words of the first amendment to the constitution [guaranteeing freedom of speech] are carved in 50 tons of Tennessee marble on the front of this building. And every generation of Americans has worked to protect the values etched in that stone."

his days are numbered

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/assange-to-escape-from-police-at-the-top-of-some-stairs-201012073327/

The whole thing is so full of outrageous double standards and outright lies it's hard to know where to start.

How about many, including Sarah Palin, calling for his murder?
When he hasn't committed a crime.
He didn't solicit or collude with the leaks, merely received them. Just like the rest of the media are receiving them and passing them on.

Shoot the messenger.

Am I the only person in the world who's finding the wikileaks 'revelations' pretty underwhelming - I mean, [i]"diplomat A thinks diplomat B is a bellend, but still has to be civil because he's being paid to do a job"[/i] sounds much like every work environment I've ever had experience of.

Given most people on here seem to have a pretty jaded view of politicians anyway, this stuff can't be rocking your world that much can it?

Interesting that some American politicians have lablelled him a traitor when he is in fact Australian ...

The latest "scandal" seems to be that NATO has plans to defend the Baltic States against a possible Russian attack.

Wouldn't revealing that NATO has no plans to defend the Baltic States be just as bad ?

It's the reaction to it that I find pretty incendiary. People seem to think it is perfectly ok to call for his murder, to assume that he has committed a crime, to willfully ignore what these Swedish charges are*, to not even wonder who is conducting "cyber attacks" on WL - etc etc.

*Just consider this one question - why has our media not discussed these sexual assault charges? Not gone into it at all? Just mentioned that they exist and that they are "rape"?

Interesting that some American politicians have lablelled him a traitor when he is in fact Australian

That's Americans and geography for you.

Given most people on here seem to have a pretty jaded view of politicians anyway, this stuff can't be rocking your world that much can it?

This time no, but the Afghan War Leaks had some pretty damaging stuff.

The Afghan war its self seems pretty damaging.
Perhaps the people responsible for that should be arrested too.

Looks like the founder has been arrested now too.

And for what ... ?? some woman's revenge ??

[url= http://rixstep.com/1/20101001,01.shtml ]http://rixstep.com/1/20101001,01.shtml[/url]

"Julia Gillard [Australian Prime Minister] has been making it virtually impossible for Assange to return to Australia where he is entitled to be. And she has even threatened to cancel his passport.

Cancel his passport? how can she even suggest that? It appauling.

Nice link, DrJ

The creepy thing is that anyone can find out just how thin these allegations are - but out media persist in briefly and baldly calling it a warrant for arrest for rape, without exploring any further. Now - why would they do that?

Anyone who thinks our media is not in the hands of the government is deluded. Worse - it's effectively in the hands of America's government.

Anyone else having problems accessing wikiLeaks?

Use [url= http://wikileaks.ch/ ]http://wikileaks.ch/[/url]

I was intrested in seeing if the UFO evidence ever gets published. I don't believe in the whole flying saucer thing myself but im intrested in seeing what information is leeked in that area, using UFO myths to cover prototype technology?

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110[/url]

😯

Yes - that's what we've been talking about!

He seems to have made provisions for being nobbled by putting out a 1.25GB file encrypted with a 256 bit encryption key which is impossible to break. If anything happens to him the code will be released by someone very close to him and we get to see the contents of the encrypted file. Of course it could be a big bluff.

Denied bail and to be held in custody till the 14th?

Insane.

Denied bail

...after voluntarily attending his own arrest for charges that sound like they are straight out of Zimbabwe.

Watch the TV, keep buying heat magazine, don't ask questions, don't expect accountability, don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain. 👿

Denied bail 'for his own safety' 😯 and despite showing up at a prearranged meeting to be arrested 'because he didn't surrender himself'

nothing is impossible. It might take a while and a lot of resources, but any key is breakable eventually.

He repeatedly asked to meet with Swedish prosecutors previously, then they dropped all the charges.

Then a Swedish politician revived the case, and brought about this Euro warrant.

Then he volunteered himself to police to answer charges.

Now no bail.

Police state, police world!

I'm normally quite politically apathetic but this really boils my 'post STW censorship' urine. Remember the people in power claim to be acting on our behalf - calling them governments is giving them too much credibility.

Apart from the secrecy thing, it seems like whether sex was consensual can be decided sometime after the act if it's expedient to do so. It's also claimed his 'celebrity' was in itself 'coercion'. Which would suggest that no one 'famous' can ever have sex without being accused of rape.

I'd hazzard a guess that the Ammericans (and probably the Chinese) have already cracked it. IIRC 64 bit can be craked by brute force, 256 just needs some time and a bit more thought (something about running 2 machines together, one encodeing, and the other timeing it, the cypher can be determiend by how long it takes to code something, repeat 00's of times and you get the right cypher).

Here's what will happen.

Ammericans demand extradition.

Rest of world says 'yes, but no, but' as they can't extradite to the USA as they have the death penalty for treason.

The world continues to turn and he spends a long time in jail on some trumped up charges.

I hope the next time someone leaks anything they just give to 4chan and be done with. no more pussy-footing around.

grrrr, this stich-up makes me angry.

The Americans in their ultimate arrogance seem to have overlooked the fact that he can't be guilty of treason against the US - because he isn't flippin' American!

Neither is he guilty of the leaking! The one that did the leaks was - an American!

rsa is exponential in difficulty to crack depending on the length of the initial primes. I think 256 will be pretty hard to crack.

iDave - Member

I'm normally quite politically apathetic but this really boils my 'post STW censorship' urine. Remember the people in power claim to be acting on our behalf - calling them governments is giving them too much credibility.

I was thinking earlier, that I am now up for some protesting, its not this in itself, its just the last straw that has broken the camels back. Its the way modern government has misused information and secrecy, the way information is used stored and distributed in general with little legal recourse for affected individuals (commercial and government), the way the traditional media play along, unless they are forced to act. The way anti terrorism has been used as an excuse to destroy civil liberties. Its all just got too much and I know find myself wanting to fight back

AES permits the use of 256-bit keys. Breaking a symmetric 256-bit key by brute force requires 2128 times more computational power than a 128-bit key. A device that could check a billion billion (1018) AES keys per second would in theory require about 3×1051 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space.

TheBrick - Member

AES permits the use of 256-bit keys. Breaking a symmetric 256-bit key by brute force requires 2128 times more computational power than a 128-bit key. A device that could check a billion billion (1018) AES keys per second would in theory require about 3×1051 years to exhaust the 256-bit key space.

or could get lucky with its first attempt 😉

[i]I was thinking earlier, that I am now up for some protesting, its not this in itself, its just the last straw that has broken the camels back. Its the way modern government has misused information and secrecy, the way information is used stored and distributed in general with little legal recourse for affected individuals (commercial and government), the way the traditional media play along, unless they are forced to act. The way anti terrorism has been used as an excuse to destroy civil liberties. Its all just got too much and I know find myself wanting to fight back [/i]
+1
its such a load of tosh, it all goes back to guantanamo
we want a place where we can ilegally detain and torture taliban so we'll do it on a bit of cuba we happen to own so its outside of our own jurisdiction

wtf?!

as the guardian article points out america is shooting itself in the foot its violating the inalienable rights it harps on about so much
and i cant believe the uk government is goin along with them

lets not forget the swiss bank who have stolen money donated by 'we the people'

i believe their website is down.

mastercard and visa are now refusing to handle payments to wikileaks

I was thinking earlier, that I am now up for some protesting

count me in.

I am astonished that he was remanded in custody.

mastercard and visa are now refusing to handle payments to wikileaks

Surprising seeing as Visa/Mastercard have no issues with [url= http://twitter.com/#!/bengoldacre/status/12157765854167040 ]facilitating[/url] donating to the KKK.

Indeed - nothing to do with morality, everything to do with political puppetry.

A big credibility gap [i]should[/i] be opening here - how can western governments accuse, for example, China of censorship and political imprisonment when they are essentially doing the same thing?

I was thinking earlier, that I am now up for some protesting

count me in.

Big Society in action, though not how Cameron wanted I expect

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The fact that the information exposed on the wikileaks site has generated so much reaction from the various global goverments makes the information so much more credible. Im sure much of what has been said on wikileaks has been said on many a webpage, but few have had the same effect.

Somethings stinks about this.

A note to all, if you are in Sweden and a Swedish girl/woman comes on to you make sure you wear two condoms - 'cos if one splits its your fault, and rape...

I can't believe they've not given him bail.

Denied bail

...after voluntarily attending his own arrest for charges that sound like they are straight out of Zimbabwe.

Watch the TV, keep buying heat magazine, don't ask questions, don't expect accountability, don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain.

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A note to all, if you are in Sweden and a Swedish girl/woman comes on to you make sure you wear two condoms - 'cos if one splits its your fault, and rape...

Thanks for that br, I can't believe how lucky I've been on all those previous occasions.

I am astonished that he was remanded in custody.

I think all this will do is have the 'Napster effect' of producing hundreds of copycat sites with less editoral control than Wikileaks.

The Times piece yesterday was ridiculous, condemning Wikileaks for publishing a list 'Sensitive sites' while naming some of the sites themselves!

4.14pm: Charles Arthur, the Guardian's technology editor, points out that while MasterCard and Visa have cut WikiLeaks off you can still use those cards to donate to overtly racist organisations such as the Knights Party, which is supported by the Ku Klux Klan.

The Ku Klux Klan website directs users to a site called Christian Concepts. It takes Visa and MasterCard donations for users willing to state that they are "white and not of racially mixed descent. I am not married to a non-white. I do not date non-whites nor do I have non-white dependents. I believe in the ideals of western Christian civilisation and profess my belief in Jesus Christ as the son of God."

enquiries.europe@visa.com

consumer_inquiries@mastercard.com

I am astonished that he was remanded in custody

for his "own safety" apparently.

[url= http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/dont-shoot-messenger-for-revealing-uncomfortable-truths/story-fn775xjq-1225967241332 ]Julian Assange Article[/url]

Well I am very tired of all this wikileaks nonsense. Even Brazesinski has gone on record to say that Wikileaks is an asset of a foreign intelligence agency.

Yes, there has been some tittle tattle, but it is amazing how much of the leaks very much support both US and Israeli policy when it comes to global hedgemony.

While you guys have ben getting distracted with this rubbish, the main stream press and wikileaks have been doing their best to ignore what is quite possibly the biggest financial fraudwe have ever witnessed.

US banks have been exposed as selling US mortgages multiple times, and now the US Government are actively involved in enabling the banks to illegally foreclose the homes, and declare them as assets, in order to prevent them (the banks) from being declared insolvent. This is insane, and yet I have heard pretty much nothing from the likes of the Guardian etc.

simonralli

I think we will learn a lot about the nature of Wikileaks based on whether they release the key for their insurance file and what it contains.

As it stands, WL have done a huge amount for truth in the world, revealing the extent of Kenyan extra judicial killings, corporate human rights issues, the Afghan helicopter video etc. they must be judged on their actions, not their potential future actions and I reckon they are an important part of the free media.

If they are just a front the American intelligence services then so be it. The main issue here is that us enlightened westerners have been giving China et al a hard time for political imprisonment and censorship and now we are proving to be just as bad as those we criticise.

It would be stupid to disregard wikileaks based on rumours and hearsay.

EDIT: +1 for giving it all to 4chan next time! Keep them on their toes.

Even Brazesinski has gone on record to say that Wikileaks is an asset of a foreign intelligence agency.

What do you mean [i]"even"[/i] Brazesinski ?

Why [i]wouldn't[/i] he say that ?

Why [i]wouldn't[/i] he want to defend US hegemony and its unchallenged global dominance from criticism ?

I take it that you mean the Brzezinski who whilst in office did his utmost to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries, including creating the monster which is Islamic fundamentalism...........didn't he do well in Afghanistan ?

If Wikileaks had been around back then, then perhaps what Brzezinski was doing might have exposed to the world, and today we wouldn't be having the problem with Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda that we're having.

simon, wikileaks have said the banks are next after the diplomatic cables

as for labeling it as 'nonsense' - are you sure?

Here is the transcript to read for yourself:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/government_programs/july-dec10/weakileaks2_11-29.htmlh

Plenty of websites were around before Wikileaks with many exposures that have been totally ignored by the same press who are treating Assange as some kind of hero.

Absolutely the same Brzezinski, who I hardly look up to, but it sems many other countries have the same opinion as him on Wikileaks.

[i]5.30pm: With perfect timing an email arrives from Philip Crowley at the state department:

The United States is pleased to announce that it will host Unesco's World Press Freedom Day event in 2011, from 1-3 May in Washington, DC.

Ironic? Read the next paragraph from the press release:

The theme for next year's commemoration will be 21st Century Media: New Frontiers, New Barriers. The United States places technology and
innovation at the forefront of its diplomatic and development efforts. New media has empowered citizens around the world to report on their circumstances, express opinions on world events, and exchange information in environments sometimes hostile to such exercises of individuals' right to freedom of expression. At the same time, we are concerned about the determination of some governments to censor and silence individuals, and to restrict the free flow of information. We mark events such as World Press Freedom Day in the context of our enduring commitment to support and expand press freedom and the free flow of information in this digital age.[/i]

I was thinking earlier, that I am now up for some protesting, its not this in itself, its just the last straw that has broken the camels back. Its the way modern government has misused information and secrecy, the way information is used stored and distributed in general with little legal recourse for affected individuals (commercial and government), the way the traditional media play along, unless they are forced to act. The way anti terrorism has been used as an excuse to destroy civil liberties. Its all just got too much and I know find myself wanting to fight back

Pretty much exactly how i feel. 👿

simon, shouldn't we judge the value of any expose by the response it elicits from governments rather than any media frenzy? your enemy always shows more interest than any friend

Why are Wikileaks spinning out the release of the diplomatic cables? It appears that they are more interested in keeping themselves in the headlines rather than releasing the information. Or am I just be cynical

I also find it rather amusing that WL is quoting the US 1st Amendment. Given that it applies in only a single country. Even then it enshrines the right to free speech, it does not enshrine the right to publish state and commercial secrets. WL have the right, in the US, to say what they like about others, including the US Government - but does this include releasing information that they have received illegally. They may not have stolen the information but they are knowingly handling stolen goods (in this case data). They are not innocent.

As for US companies withdrawing their support for WL, please grow up. They all need to be onside with the US Government - it is a larger customer to them than WL. In a fight between two customers they will always side with the more profitable one.

iDave

I am well aware of that but there is no mention of the Federal Reserve or Goldman Sachs etc. They are going to leak about a bank of no consequence as opposed to leaking about what is really happening right now.

I don't have time to find all the references.

Right, it makes sense now simonralli (well sort of). You support the "even Brzezinski has gone on record to say that Wikileaks is an asset of a foreign intelligence agency" line, because it is the official line of Spiritual Change.

http://spiritualchange.blogsome.com/

And Spiritual Change oppose Wilileaks because they believe that it is part of the same "Global Conspiracy" which you subscribe to.

[i]"Micha Kat is sceptical of Wikileaks as its founder Assange is in favour of the official reading of 9/11"[/i]

So Assange doesn't believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy ? Well clearly the man is a lizard working for the New World Order then.

i'm sure they're kind of busy with the cables and will get onto the banks in time. they contend that the board of at least two US banks will be exposed to a greater degree than at present

kimbers. that's almost gone past ironic, round the block and up the us governments rs!

Well I for one am not holding my breath on their banking leaks, but I guess we shall see when the time comes for them to leak them, if they ever do.

They may not have stolen the information but they are knowingly handling stolen goods (in this case data). They are not innocent.

The crime is in the original leak, not in other people in the chain. Wikileaks problem is that their name contains the word leaks, but they aren't [i]doing [/i]the leaking!

It must be the case, I think, that much more indendiary revelations are just around the corner and the US are desperate to cut it off.

Crikey ... 🙄

"The big fear inside Bank of America is that the documents reveal fraudulent mortgage lending by Countrywide Financial, which was acquired by Bank of America. This creates the possibility that investors in bonds backed by Countrywide-originated mortgages may be able to demand Bank of America buy back the loans at par, a situation which would create a windfall for the investors and possibly huge losses for Bank of America."

That kinda makes sense, but Wikileaks are only one step up the chain to The Guardian et al. Why is it ok for the mainstream media to make merry with this "secret information", when it is not ok for Wikileaks to have their place in the chain?

Amen.

The Times piece yesterday was ridiculous, condemning Wikileaks for publishing a list 'Sensitive sites' while naming some of the sites themselves!

The BBC have also re-broadcast this "intelligence". Does Palin want The Times and the BBC assassinated too? Oh it's OK, they are "legitimate" journalists. Secretly, I suspect the mainstream journalists are quite envious of wikileaks ability to do this - their management would never permit it!

There could be several reasons for drip-feeding the cables. For example, it takes time to filter-out really damaging information like personal information and it would be irresponsible to just dump it out there, in plain, unredacted. Or they could just be maintaining a high profile to maximise their ability to embarrass undemocratic individuals/processes. Holding back the juiciest cables is "insurance" since the yanks don't know exactly was has been leaked. Duplicating the service protects against DoS attack by yank sponsored grey-hats. Distributing encrypted copies makes it hard for for the cia to reliably pickup all the possible holders.

Everyone can see through the trumped-up sex-crime nonsense and this his further helping wikileaks credibility. So I suspect that all is going exactly to plan for wikileaks!

I'm neutral at the moment; waiting to see what happens next. Interesting times.

Freedom of Speech - priceless. For everything else, there's MasterCard

The absurdity. In seeking to demonise a guy that has not actually committed any crime Palin and others have actually committed a very serious crime themselves, in calling for his murder.

More stuff about the trumped up charges against Assange ...
[url= http://www.counterpunch.org/shamir09142010.html ]http://www.counterpunch.org/shamir09142010.html[/url]

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I've written to my MP. It's a start.

Reckon a boycott on Swedish goods will help too, seeing as big money talks.

If lots of people pulled their money from paypal, and closed their accounts giving the reason as them stopping payments to wikileaks, it would probably send quite a message to business to remember who there customers are.

mastercard.com is inaccessible after DDoS attack from Anon

There is sort of a mutually assured destruction by DDoS going on!

MSP - Member
If lots of people pulled their money from paypal...

It helps if there's an alternative - if there's not then PayPal can think "they'll be back"

I have approached my bank about the card situation. If they cannot provide me with a card that will allow me to pay whoever I choose, then I'll shift my funds to a bank that can provide that service.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11935539
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