Anyone tried wiki this morning?
It's on a blackout, I just followed that Scott link on the Bowers thread...
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It should be noted that SOPA looks like it has been nuked from orbit, but Protect IP is still in the works.
Do you have permission to post that, Jamie? 🙁
The only 'impact' will be that students can't copy and paste from wikipedia for their essays. Other than that, for the sake of a few hours, who gives a monkeys.
It's not so much the withdrawal of the resource, it's the reason for it, at first I thought it was a bit draconian, it also highlights that what we have come to regard as a part of life is still able to be withdrawn on the whim of one person.
So all that work by all those people can be withdrawn if something pisses the man off, does in itself seem a bit bizarre.
Like closing public libraries because the council don't agree with something that may or may not be going through parliament.
If you need it it's all still there, just "View Page Source" (In FF) and you can see the page with all the HTML and ting.
just hit 'escape' as soon as the page loads and before it switches to the blackout view if you're desparate to plagarise soemthign for your homework/work today.
wwaswas - Member
if you're desparate to plagarise soemthign for your homework today
Er how old do I come across as?
In fact how old are you then?
Not generally that I'm particularly ageist but I do sometimes wonder what the average age is here..
I think you might have missed the point of the sopa and pipa bills slightly,they are the reason for the blackout of not just wikipedia, its nothing to do with students not being able to do their homework its to do with the american government trying to pass a bill that will give them the power to put up a firewall like China's effectively censoring the internet for U.S. citizens, now im not an american but if it goes through and at some point it will in some form, the americans will grab Cameron, put him back in his gimp suit and tell him to do the same, the sopa and pipa bills threaten any website which is deemed to be breaching copy right no matter how small with instant removal from the web with out due process or right of appeal,
iPhone app still works.
you could just turn javascript off in your browser.
Use the Google cache if you really need to view the page.
Please won't somebody think of the [s]children[/s] TJ.
the sopa and pipa bills threaten any website which is deemed to be breaching [b]copy right no matter how small with instant removal from the web with out due process or right of appeal[/b],
So, does this mean that the US govt can close down sites that contain controversial original material?
So, does this mean that the US govt can close down sites that contain controversial original material?
Isn't STW hosted stateside?
don simon - Member
the sopa and pipa bills threaten any website which is deemed to be breaching copy right no matter how small with instant removal from the web with out due process or right of appeal,So, does this mean that the US govt can close down sites that contain controversial original material?
You'd think they invented the web the way they carry on..
"and what was over there... is over here..."
George Michael - Praying For Time
Excellent, that's answered that question. 🙄 In a typical STW manner... 😆
Are there more sites going "black"?
Only ones I can current access are STW and Pistonheads ❓
Reddit and Boing Boing are going to black out aswell.
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derekrides - why did you remove the '/work' from what I'd typed when you quoted it?
[i]Er how old do I come across as?[/i]
very selective quoting to support a nonsense argument = early teens?
[i]In fact how old are you then?[/i]
45
Oh noez! My memes!
....only for 12 hours though.
Reddit is my life as a student 😆
wwaswas - Member
derekrides - why did you remove the '/work' from what I'd typed when you quoted it?Er how old do I come across as?
very selective quoting to support a nonsense argument = early teens?
In fact how old are you then?
45
Cool. Aren't you a bit old to be posting on a forum like this, can you still ride a bike?
Flickr has a voluntary blackout
[i]Aren't you a bit old to be posting on a forum like this[/i]
45 and work in IT - I'd say I was pretty much bang on for demographic of stw
[i]can you still ride a bike?[/i]
I'm not sure I ever could, really.
the only websites that by shutting down for X amount of hours would have an impact and draw attention to the bill would be facebook and twitter at the same time.
Wikipedia is the 6th biggest website in the world, so it's not insignificant Phil.
Saying that, Twitter [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jan/16/wikipedia-sopa-blackout-slammed-twitter ]is not going down anytime soon[/url]...well apart from the usual outages.
i'm not doubting wiki's significance, i just think that facebook and twitter would have a bigger impact 🙂
EDIT, wouldn't america censoring the internet go against its own obsession with free speech?
I dunno, I am not on Facebook, so it vanishing would have little impact on me.
EDIT, wouldn't america censoring the internet go against its own obsession with free speech?
This is my point, it's not censorship, is it? It's the prevention of copyright theft. You can introduce any controversial topic you want under free speech rules. What you can't do is copy this work without permission.
So it is nowhere near the likes of China.
equally, i'm not on wikki 😛
facebook and twitter are pretty much built into phones nowadays so the reach would be wider than those accessing a PC/laptop to go search wikki
the only websites that by shutting down for X amount of hours would have an impact and draw attention to the bill would be facebook and twitter at the same time.
Actually I'd say wiki, reddit and a few others that are are fairly influential, maybe not to the adults amongst us, but to the teens and early 20's - probably those most likely to kick up a fuss about internet freedoms.
This is my point, it's not censorship, is it? It's the prevention of copyright theft. You can introduce any controversial topic you want under free speech rules. What you can't do is copy this work without permission.
So it is nowhere near the likes of China.
Thing is, it's the way the SOPA laws are written that people are pissed off about. Not what they're intended to prevent. This is the problem with having people with no idea how the internet works (it's a series of tubes, right?) in charge of drafting laws that affect the internet.
coffeeking... point well made 🙂
Don't cry, disney own the rights to that emotion
No need for particularly awkward antics - just add "?banner=none" to the end of the Wiki URL.
No problems [url= http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool ]here,[/url] opens right up.
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A few others that I'm aware of,
The Oatmeal, in their inimitable style,
http://www.theoatmeal.com/sopa
Cyanide & Happiness
http://www.explosm.net/sopa.html
Schlock Mercenary('s blog):
http://www.schlockmercenary.com/blog/content-blocked-sopa-pipa
Saturday Morning Breakfast Comic:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/
Dinosaur comics:
http://www.qwantz.com/index.php
XKCD:
http://www.xkcd.com/
There's a nice one-page overview of SOPA et al [url= https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/One-Page-SOPA_0.pdf ]here[/url], btw (pdf).
derekrides - MemberEr how old do I come across as?
In fact how old are you then?
Not generally that I'm particularly ageist but I do sometimes wonder what the average age is here..
PMSL sometime you wonder, clearly there are a lot of younger folk who still havnt realised that they actually know the square root of **** all. I think the average actual age is 28 the average internet age is about 12!!
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Boingboing have been running a crusade against this for months.
A point that's being missed is that not only could sites be closed down, but, because of the demands of the big American media groups behind this, and the insane extradition laws that Blair/Brown signed us up to,
people can be extradited and jailed for something that isn't illegal in Europe, like Richard O'Dwyer, who is being extradited for online piracy over his TVShack site, that just linked to other sites deemed to be infringing by the Yanks.
Our courts are backing this, despite no law being broken in the UK.
These laws are almost Stalinist in their intention, and it's Hollywood and big money behind it.
Anyone who thinks the Yanks are fairly benign with this needs to extract his head from where it's been firmly shoved up his ass and look at what this could imply for many people outside of the borders of the US.
The reason Wiki is taking part is it is a useful and educational site that has real value.
Facebook and twitter are just full of rubbish.
hmm would it be retroactive?
and if stw is hosted in the USA anyone whos recomended filesharing/streaming, posted copyrighted videos, cut and paste from paywal sites sites on here before ........
could get themselves and stw in trouble
Google USA is taking part, you can click the Google logo in the USA to protest.
Some info,
I'm totally with Hitler on this one.
Cannot Holywood be done for infringement of copyright?
I mean in the last few year what have they done but produce remakes
of films from the 60's,70's and 80's.
the italian Job, Get cater to name two.
For Gods sake they even remade a film of 'Girl with the dragon tattoo' which only came out a couple of years ago.
A banckrupt industry trying to cling on to power in a modern world.
Could people not just unplug the Americans and tell them to play on their own
Wgaf what they get their Nickers in a twist about then
Could people not just unplug the Americans and tell them to play on their ownWgaf what they get their Nickers in a twist about then
Erm because every URL ending with .com or .org falls under this legislation, its not just an effect on .US
Oh I no very little about how internet works
Its like It wasn't there then all a of sudden it was
Someone might invent something newer soon
Ps why can't we just say **** off then we don't give a shit about your legislation.....the French would
Ps why can't we just say **** off then we don't give a shit about your legislation.....the French would
Maybe because our courts will allow them to waltz into your home with a warrant and arrest your sorry ass and cart it back to the US along with the threat of ten years in the pokey.
A banckrupt industry trying to cling on to power in a modern world.
Thats the main reason for the act. If either SOPA or PIPA goes through it'll sadly be just another example of a government listening to what its big corporate backers want, rather than what's good for its people 🙁
compositepro - MemberPs why can't we just say **** off then we don't give a shit about your legislation.....the French would
You, individually, can- it's[i] possible[/i] you'll end up getting deported anyway and tried but not really likely. But, any company or website that wants to be read in America doesn't have that option, so it'll have a huge impact on the net regardless of what you personally do.
The protest did its job, U.S. senators took notice and have backed down for now, this battle it would seem goes to the internet but the war is far from over, it is a lot more than hollywood trying to cling on to it's profit, I admit Im no saint when it comes to the internet and have maybe dl when i should have bought but as was said in a post earlier, if i popped a link to a copy written item on this forum under PIPA or SOPA it could mean bye bye STW however the feds are taking action with out the legislation so its just a matter of time, http://rt.com/usa/news/megaupload-shut-million-authorities-231/
American authorities helped issue arrests on Thursday for four people in New Zealand that they say are responsible for the website. According to the official indictment, unsealed the same day, Megaupload is being accused of costing copyright holders upwards of $500 million in lost revenues because of content illegally uploaded to its servers.
And New Zealand's further from America than we are. The Feds want to control the entire Internet ,and police and prosecute the entire world.
And they're being allowed to get away with it.
Next time it could be Dropbox, or any cloud storage system.
Insomnia!!
Could you not just put a page before entering the website in a similar vein to the alcohol websites. In this case saying Users residing in the USA are not permitted to use the content.
Insomnia!!Could you not just put a page before entering the website in a similar vein to the alcohol websites. In this case saying Users residing in the USA are not permitted to use the content.
Doesn't really work though, as a banner page can't STOP the US folk accessing it [well it could, but it would be tricky and ugly]. Also, that kinda stops half the trade done on the internet. Also, if the US pass it there's then pressure on other countries to do the same.
Really it's far better if they'd all just get a grip.