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That’s why I always insist on any holiday rental I use to be completely cheese-free.

I always ensure I leave it cheese free - do you think I'm some kind of monster?!?

He managed to jam all his keys (inc his car key - why?) in the key lockbox last night outside the front door. How do you knacker a key safe? A joyous job to sort for later this morning. He's winning me over.


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 8:17 am
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EMF, are there still people who believe the Eat More Fibre myth?


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 9:22 am
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"... interfere with the natural EMF emitted by trees."

Emitting Methane from Forests.
Trees do emit methane.
Maybe that is why the get cut down.


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 9:25 am
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Cheese produced from regenerative agriculture should be OK.


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 9:29 am
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OP: Do you often rent out your holiday cottage on the pretence of being sensitive to your clients needs, whilst at the same time publicly ridiculing them online forum?

Your client has advised you that his son is hyper sensitive to EMf, I find it odd that you cannot just deal with this on and move on.

May be it would be a good idea to let future clients aware of how you operate, so they can decide whether they want to stay there or not.

This post reminds me so much of the school playground, just because someone is different it should not make you a target for other peoples fun.


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 10:04 am
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He’s winning me over.

You know you have got yourself to blame so you have that. Next time a delusional person asks to stay you will no doubt have learnt from this 🙂


 
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How do you knacker a key safe?

Very, very easily. As you have found, too many keys shoved in it will jam it, even more fun is when one of the keys knocks the reset switch so whatever combination you spin round to mask the actual combination after shutting it, becomes the new combination which of course you no longer know when you try and open it using the old one.

Top tip, if it’s stuck due to too many keys then just whack a flat blades screwdriver into the top of the flap that open and wiggle it, chances are it’s not clicked shut due to being too full.


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 10:31 am
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Your client has advised you that his son is hyper sensitive to EMf, I find it odd that you cannot just deal with this on and move on.

Because it's bollox.
" Electromagnetic hypersensitivity (EHS) is a claimed sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, to which negative symptoms are attributed. EHS has no scientific basis and is not a recognised medical diagnosis."
You could leave 10 wireless routers under his bed and they wouldn't notice a thing, so you are forced to pander to such nonsense. Can you think of other circumstances where you have to pander to bollox, at the expense of your own sensibilities ?. Apply those here.
As such it pretty much amounts to convincing a vulnerable individual- In this case a child, that there is something wrong or different about him, which will impact the child's growth and mental well being. In my book this amounts to child abuse and we shouldn't pander to it.

A wireless signal extends some 30m around its source, and in todays wireless society, this means there are hundreds of overlapping circles which itself means were are pretty much immersed in these signals. So due to the house next door having wireless the renting family are bathed in EMF. Even at home, in their own surroundings they are inside emitted signal circles, which apparently they dont notice. Bit odd that.

I'd a friend who does internet security bring one of his receivers to the house a few moons back. Set it up in my livingroom to scan for other peoples wireless signals and found about 20.


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 10:44 am
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OP: Do you often rent out your holiday cottage on the pretence of being sensitive to your clients needs, whilst at the same time publicly ridiculing them online forum?

I hate to break it to you, but pretence is the mantra of the tourism/service/hospitality industry.

That jovial landlord who you think made has his day made up when you walked in.....he thinks you are knob and and would far rather be sat in front of corrie with a bag of revels than serving you.


 
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But all the records for longevity are held by people who lived in wifi-free environments as children

This requires more appreciation.


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 10:46 am
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The thing is that

Your client has advised you that his son is hyper sensitive to EMf

is a bit like him saying "my son is hypersensitive to people around him wearing contact lenses".

Do EMF and contact lenses exist? Yes.
Is it possible to exclude them from his immediate environment? To a certain extent.
Would it be mildly inconvenient to accommodate this? Yes.
Is there any scientific way that pandering to this kind of request could create any real benefit to him? No.
Would pretending to switch off all the local sources of EMF/hiding the fact you're wearing contact lenses behind a set of plain glasses have the same psychological effect? Yes.


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 10:49 am
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Can you think of other circumstances where you have to pander to bollox, at the expense of your own sensibilities ?

Yes.

- Any and all religions. You can believe in stuff and force it on others that would get you sectioned in any other circumstances.
- Followers of food fads / self diagnosed allergy sufferers. Like the couple we invited for dinner only to discover each of them was into different but mutually exclusive food fads. Oh what a fun and educational dinner than was.


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 11:07 am
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Used to work with someone who believed the work WiFi gave him migraines. Perfectly rational chap except for this, pretty sure he’s got the latest iPhone too so can only imagine he’s now on 5G. Made me think of Better Call Saul.


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 11:17 am
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I hate to break it to you, but pretence is the mantra of the tourism/service/hospitality industry.

That jovial landlord who you think made has his day made up when you walked in…..he thinks you are knob and and would far rather be sat in front of corrie with a bag of revels than serving you.

It might be the case for you but that is not the case for everyone involved in tourism.

If you feel like that all the time then I would suggest you find another way to supplement your income. Can't be healthy.


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 11:18 am
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Whilst you’re all laughing this is taken seriously in France. Some people are recognised as being sensitive with medical diagnosis.

I'd like to see actual cited evidence for this, in it's absence I'll put it in the same box as "wind turbine syndrome", that is non existent crap made up by opaque "research groups" backed up with self cited pseudoscience that no [field relevant] (we all know the Lancet has it's moments) journal worth reading would publish.


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 11:21 am
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It is entirely possible to have a perfectly pleasant time working in tourism, enjoying the company of many, and pandering to the oddballs. As we do. It's does not however mean you fall for their guff or are incapable of keeping up a pretence of affability/understanding in their company.

He's admitted he thought the reset lever inside the key safe was some kind of hook for the keys. I'm a thousand combinations in...it might take some time.


 
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@convert you need a small strip of metal to feel the resistance of the tumblers. Check YouTube for several how to’s.


 
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This post reminds me so much of the school playground, just because someone is different it should not make you a target for other peoples fun.

Awwwww diddums.

You might not want to go in a shop then, I can guarantee you that all retail workers dislike you while having to have a front of pleasantness and a big smile.


 
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@convert you need a small strip of metal to feel the resistance of the tumblers. Check YouTube for several how to’s.

oh, ta. I was clearly too clean living and honest as a youth.


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 11:43 am
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@convert you need a small strip of metal to feel the resistance of the tumblers. Check YouTube for several how to’s.

but please dont use any WIFI to do this cos.. you know


 
Posted : 31/05/2021 12:28 pm
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But all the records for longevity are held by people who lived in wifi-free environments as children.

and drank water loaded with plasticisers, smoked tabs, and breathed leaded petrol fumes.

what's your point?


 
Posted : 01/06/2021 5:01 am
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what’s your point?

humour I believe 😉


 
Posted : 01/06/2021 6:21 am
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singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wifi-4g-5g-nut-jobs-nod-ding-to-their-twoddle-sagely/page/2/#post-11905392

And the children growing up in a WiFi era are yet to get old. I predict we'll see the same percentage getting to an equivalent age.


 
Posted : 01/06/2021 7:31 am
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I’m a thousand combinations in...

Presumably he's taking his turn to find the combination? Personally I'd be doing so out of embarrassment, but if my car keys were in there too all the more reason! 🙄


 
Posted : 01/06/2021 7:40 am
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I’m a thousand combinations in...

Presumably he's taking his turn to find the combination? Personally I'd be doing so out of embarrassment, but if my car keys were in there too all the more reason! 🙄


 
Posted : 01/06/2021 7:41 am
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Presumably he’s taking his turn to find the combination? Personally I’d be doing so out of embarrassment, but if my car keys were in there too all the more reason! 🙄

I took Piknmix's advice above (I am now looking at their username in a different context! A lock picker?), fashioned a thin 'feeler' out of an old sprite can from the recycling bin and......am now ready for the life of a master criminal! So easy. Scarily easy.


 
Posted : 01/06/2021 7:48 am
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What do they do about the giant yellow EMF emitter in the sky, that is so powerful, it's radiation will actually burn you...


 
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Ah but that's natural and doesn't emit in the harmful frequencies.


 
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It might be the case for you but that is not the case for everyone involved in tourism.

Maybe not everyone but a large proportion of hospitality staff are there to put jam on the table and will be professional enough not to let their true feelings show.


 
Posted : 01/06/2021 8:57 am
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and will be professional enough not to let their true feelings show.

But surely it's better to vent anonymously on t'internet after you've smiled and accommodated your guests?


 
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Maybe not everyone but a large proportion of hospitality staff are there to put jam on the table and will be professional enough not to let their true feelings show.

True story of two comment cards left in the restaurant:

"Could you tell the front of house staff to smile more, they look miserable"

Followed by....

"Can you tell the front to house staff to stop smiling, he looks like he's killed someone"

I think some people massively overestimate the capacity for minimum wage staff in hospitality to put up with their bull**** 🤣. They don't, they just joke about you behind your back.


 
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What do they do about the giant yellow EMF emitter in the sky, that is so powerful, it’s radiation will actually burn you…

Ah but that’s natural and doesn’t emit in the harmful frequencies.

i heard it gives you cancer. I'd like it turned off please.


 
Posted : 01/06/2021 11:04 am
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Whilst you’re all laughing this is taken seriously in France.

When my daughter suffered an avulsion fracture snowboarding in France the docteur who saw her prescribed homeopathic medication. To my ever lasting shame I got the prescription filled. Obviously this is just a scam as the insurance paid for it. It shouldn’t be used as evidence that homeopathy works, just that french ski resort clinics are there to make money from tourists.


 
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just that french ski resort clinics are there to make money from tourists.

but you can pay with water that has a memory of money


 
Posted : 01/06/2021 12:12 pm
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But surely it’s better to vent anonymously on t’internet after you’ve smiled and accommodated your guests?

If that was aimed at me (OP), I'd recommend you go back and reread. No venting there.

I said...."Some people make playing at life very hard for themselves.". It was more a commentary on the life some people set themselves up to lead, not the faff and hassle they have given me (not a lot in truth). If I come across as a bit condescending and superior, then fair enough - mia culpa. But I'm not too bothered with that as an accusation truth be told when the opinions I'm commenting on behind their backs have crossed the line (imo) from quirky to oddball.


 
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Planning permission has been sought to put a 4 storey high 5G mast down the road from me.

There have been petitions.

There have been leaflets.

There have been door to door campaigns.

There has been lots of bad science quoted on the "school mums" whatsapp.

When you cut through all the bullshit, basically they are worried about their house prices falling or more to the point not going up as much as they hoped.

Seeing as the vast majority of people on that street have been in those houses for 10s of years, I don't have a huge amount of sympathy that their profit on their house when they finally sell will be 190k rather than 230k or something...

I hope they build it and paint it pink so it looks like a massive dildo.


 
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Hi @convert, not aimed at you, but the post above mine, apologies for any confusion.


 
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When my daughter suffered an avulsion fracture snowboarding in France the docteur who saw her prescribed homeopathic medication

What so you call homepathic medicine that actually works?

Medicine.


 
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There has been lots of bad science quoted on the “school mums” whatsapp.

ha, that's happening right near me as well, only one of the school mums who is also the school secretary type thing decided to send out an official mail asking for people to reject it for spurious reasons - it got withdrawn by some grown ups later on.

Was a similar thing a few months back about the adjoining secondary school asking parents to make a representation in favour of something... eughh.


 
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They don’t, they just joke about you behind your back.

Sometimes, other times there might be swearing and wishing physical harm on the way home!

No venting on the internet because that wouldn't be professional.

Most of our customers are very lovely people, the oddballs can be fun. Others can take the shine off a lovely day and make it cloud over. (Cycle commuting is where I work it all out to arrive home with a sense of calm).


 
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I took Piknmix’s advice above (I am now looking at their username in a different context! A lock picker?), fashioned a thin ‘feeler’ out of an old sprite can from the recycling bin and……am now ready for the life of a master criminal! So easy. Scarily easy.

Yeah, I have an actual posh tool for this but any thin bit of metal will work. I can drop these things in about 5-10 seconds, or a few minutes just by feel if I don't have the prop. They're about as secure as hiding it in a sandwich.

I’d a friend who does internet security bring one of his receivers to the house a few moons back. Set it up in my livingroom to scan for other peoples wireless signals and found about 20.

I have a Pwnagotchi. It's like a Tamagotchi except it feeds on insecure wireless networks.


 
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Thread resurrection.

The brief was to remove all wifi products from the house before they arrived as they make his son seriously ill in minutes. And we had to verify that we did not have a smart meter before he booked

I have a cousin who is now pretty much ruled by this unfortunately.
He is on appearance, really quite ill with this 'obsession' being at the core of everything.

The house where he lives is a terrace in a town and next door have had a smart meter fitted, and he insists that his symptoms worsened at that time (he didn't know at the time they'd had one fitted, but claims to match a change in symptoms around the same time)

He has an awful lot of health issues unfortunately, many of which I believe to have a psychological element, many of which are clearly physical.

However, this obsession now with Wi-Fi and the smart meter has taken over everything. It's not his house where he is but he's gotten into such a state about the house(where he's now been for several years) that my Aunt and Uncle are considering moving to try to lessen the issue for him.

My view is, that because his life has essentially stopped now for several years with various health issues and a withdrawal from any semblance of a 'normal' life, that he has built up a huge amount of negative association with the house. He says that he feels better as soon as he leaves the house, the headaches subside etc. I think that there may be something in it, but also that all of us tend to feel better as soon as we get away from somewhere we've grown to hate.
It's kind of like leaving work at the end of the day from a job you hate. You feel elevated as soon as you walk out of the door.
He insists that he can feel a physical change though, in terms of headaches and pain easing.

It's really causing a big rift in the family to be honest and most of us don't know what to do to tackle it.
I think he needs to be under the care of a psychologist personally to work through his issues with everything, but he pretty much won't do anything we suggest and is seemingly only interested in 'natural' approaches.

We're all worried as he's often talked of harming himself as he can't go on with dealing with the constant pain from emf sensitivity.

I know there are a lot of people on here who are completely dismissive of this as a thing and my cousin for example is very aware that most people don't understand or believe it, but has anyone had experience of dealing with this?

Disproving it seems just as difficult as proving it. (My cousin says they have lots of scientific papers supporting it) though really you can find 'evidence' of whatever you want on the internet it seems.


 
Posted : 21/10/2021 9:20 am
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EMF waves from man made devices interfere with the natural EMF emitted by trees

Unbelievable.

(Apologies if this has been done already)


 
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He insists that he can feel a physical change though, in terms of headaches and pain easing.

Over the last few years of degree and full time job I've been getting headaches and pain/tightness across shoulders and neck and a feeling of pressure across my nose that felt alot like a really bad cold.

Every step I took away from the computer it eased. It's heehaw to do with the magic box of flashy lights.


 
Posted : 21/10/2021 9:52 am
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Unbelievable.

(Apologies if this has been done already)

It's ok, it's not into the hundreds quite yet 😉

However, this obsession now with Wi-Fi and the smart meter has taken over everything.

Hmmm, unfortunately, I can sympathise due to someone I know. 😐


 
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