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I got caught out yesterday at the Cub/Scout District St George’s Day parade. I got grabbed by the ADC as I shambled into the church and asked if I could help out with the standard bearers. This left me stood at the front without the aid of an Order of Service when Jerusalem and the National Anthem were played. Jerusalem… no problem. National Anthem verse one… no problem. National Anthem verse two… bugger.
Do you:
A) Stand there in a disrespectful silence?
B) Goldfish your way through it?
C) Try not to crack up because your fellow pack leaders are enjoying your discomfort?
D) Know it?
I chose C.
I couldn’t help but notice that two of the others chose E) and vanished sharpish, leaving me at the front with a guy who knew it, because he was old enough to have written it.
As a consolation I did manage to assist in giving 20 near identical standards back to the correct kids, thus negating the usual flag-swap fiasco at the church gates.
F) Gobbed on the Vicar, shouted " It's a fascist regime", flicked the V's at the congregation and leapt through the stained glass window in the vestry.
G) Go straight to verse six and start ranting about rebellious scots.
Dance.
Dance like yo ass is on fire....
The Minister was pretty good actually as he knew that a congregation of fidgeting 9 year olds were more interested in Roman soldiers and dragons than God. So we had a quiz about St George.
I got 5 out of 5.
I don't even know the first verse...
I like option F best so far....
Option H: Take a knee.
I had to learn for, ironically, a badge in Cubs. That was a little while ago now though, so I've forgotten it. Might have to relearn it now in case I get similarly dumped in it. I'd have gone for Option A though.
Outdoor cooking tonight 🙂
I had to Google it.
God save our gracious Queen!
Long live our noble Queen!
God save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the Queen.
Thy choicest gifts in store
On her be pleased to pour,
Long may she reign.
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause,
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the Queen.
The rhyming goes a bit sideways there, doesn't it. Was "voice" pronounced "vose" back in the 18th Century?
I thought this might be a Terry Pratchett reference.
https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/We_Can_Rule_You_Wholesale
The only anthem where the 2nd verse is actually; Ner, ner, ner etc.
I think you have got verses 1 and 3 there!!!
God Save The Queen
1God save our gracious Queen,
Long live our noble Queen,
God Save The Queen.
Send her victorious,
Happy and Glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God Save The Queen.
#2
Oh, Lord our God arise,
Scatter her enemies,
And make them fall.
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On thee our hopes we fix,
God save us all.
#3
Thy choicest gifts in store,
On her be pleased to pour,
Long may she reign.
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause,
To sing with heart and voice,
God Save The Queen!
#4
Not in this land alone,
But be God’s mercies known,
From shore to shore.
Lord make the nations see,
That men should brothers be,
And form one family,
The wide world o’er.
#5From every latent foe,
From the assassin’s blow,
God Save The Queen.
O’er thine arm extend,
For Britain’s sake defend,
Our mother prince and friend,
God Save The Queen.
#6
Lord grant that marshal wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God Save The Queen.
The sixth verse is obviously not used anymore. I believe purely remains for a historical content and reference
Google fail.
I shall, of course, go and flagellate myself immediately.
I didn't know there were verses !
Jeez our anthem is dull. Charlie would do himself no harm if he pushed for something new when the time comes.
I would have withdrawn in protest at having propaganda/national anthem played at a children's event.
or K: suggest something more up beat, maybe something by Little Mix?
Jeez our anthem is dull. Charlie would do himself no harm if he pushed for something new when the time comes.
Nah, it needs to be a classic. Whilst some argue for the Prodigy's"Smack my bitch up", there' a stronger movement I reckon to make this "Oops upside your head" by the Gap Band.
OP is in excellent company.
Nah, it needs to be a classic. Whilst some argue for the Prodigy’s”Smack my bitch up”, there’ a stronger movement I reckon to make this “Oops upside your head” by the Gap Band.
"I want to break free" by Queen.
Brexit, innit.
Killer Queen, by Queen?
(IGMC)
Your all wrong.
The hills are bare now
And autumn leaves lie thick and still
O'er land that is lost now
Which those so dearly held
And stood against him
Proud Edward's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again.
: )
Took the decision some time ago not to even mouth along to that steaming pile of shite. God and monarchy - belief in either is so far from my comprehension I would feel a total hypocrite to spew the words out.
You could always have done Redwood when he was welsh sec. Just waggle your head and look stupid!!
I would have withdrawn in protest at having propaganda/national anthem played at a children’s event.
You've got to be kidding. The children live in a nation. The nation has an anthem. How TF is that propaganda?
Have the British always been this cynical and anti-establishment? Flippin' heck. 'O Canada' and 'God Save the Queen' were sung at the beginning or end of every school day when I grew up.
How terribly I've been affected. 🙁
Woe is me.
You’ve got to be kidding. The children live in a nation. The nation has an anthem. How TF is that propaganda
Because its about two things God and Royalty neither of which have much of a positive impact on most of the nation. It doesnt reflect the nation
You’ve got to be kidding. The children live in a nation. The nation has an anthem. How TF is that propaganda
Because its about two things God and Royalty neither of which have much of a positive impact on most of the nation. It doesnt reflect the nation
This.
Its a song written in an age of repression and control.
Thankfully were are all a bit more informed, and able to make our own minds up as to the merits of singing a rhyme to please someone who bares little resemblance to a “leader”.
HTHs.
neither of which have much of a positive impact on most of the nation
That's a sociologically verifiable statement, is it? I bet there are many serious thinkers who would say otherwise, including political philosophers and political scientists... at least to the idea of a constitutional monarchy. As for 'God', although the way the anthem deploys the reference is historically Christian - as it is in Canada - over there the term has been debated and agreed upon by a vast majority to refer to any higher power the citizen chooses to refer to. Those who want to refer to [I]no higher power whatsoever[/I] are microscopic in number.
It doesnt reflect the nation
Really? A nation is comprised of more than the current population. It is also an [I]idea[/I] with constructed upon a collection of ideals and its history. To say it doesn't reflect the nation with such certainty is to put far, far more faith in the fleeting (and somewhat arguable) opinion of the present than I am willing to put.
EDIT:
HTHs
Not remotely.
The second verse of the national anthem is:
Hen Gymru fynyddig, paradwys y bardd;
Pob dyffryn, pob clogwyn, i'm golwg sydd hardd
Trwy deimlad gwladgarol, mor swynol yw si
Ei nentydd, afonydd, i fi.
I plan to take a knee for G.S.T.Q when I get gold at the olympics or win a Grand Prix etc
"Everyone
Everyone is so near
Everyone has got the fear
It's holding on
It's holding on"
Or how about
"Everybody's so infatuated
Everybody's so completely sure of what we are
Everybody defames from miles away
But face to face they haven't got a thing to say
I bleed for this and I bleed for you
Still you look at my face like I'm somebody new
Nobody wants anything I've got
Which is fine because you're made of everything I'm not"
OP I first thought you were at the same At George's parade I was at today.
God save, mumble, splutter, something, Queen
Etc.
genesiscore502011
The sixth verse is obviously not used anymore. I believe purely remains for a historical content and reference
Aye, but those are the words some of us hear when that tune is played....
The anthem is polluted forever by that verse and needs replacing.
Saxonrider. "an" anthem can be seen as good. "our" anthem "God save the queen" is a dreadfull dirge full of sentiment I cannot agree with. "Flower of Scotland" while it can be very rousing sung by 60 000 at Murreyfeild is not much better only saved by "those days are past now - and in the past they must remain"
Italian national anthem has a good tune but IIRC is somewhat miltaristic
French is probably the best of the european ones unless you count "the red flag" 😉
Those who want to refer to <em class="bbcode-em">no higher power whatsoever are microscopic in number.
And that microscopic number are allowed to say its a **** awful dirge about two pathetically oldfashioned bitsof nonsense that continue to be current. Or do we just have to shut up and listen to the drivel.
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">And while we're at it burn the flag and its wavers.</span>
Atleadt verse 6 is honest. Ha
And that microscopic number are allowed to say its a **** awful dirge about two pathetically oldfashioned bitsof nonsense that continue to be current
As you will know, I would never deny that someone is allowed to say so. I am taking issue with some of the assumptions - born of cynicism as they are - that underpin the criticisms.
It's called discussion and debate.
...so anyway we can move past all this.
Would you all be seated please for the national anthem? "I said oops upside your head, I said oops upside your head". This is how we make the world a better place.
(That or just move straight to "Ode to Joy" - contrast this with the Brexit national anthem, which is just, to the tune of god save the queen,: "Brexit means Bre-ek-sit, Brexit means Bre-ek-sit, Brexit Brexit, da da da da Brexit means Bre-ek-sit etc etc.)
I think the full verses are good. Just needs to be trimmed to the important lines 😀
Scatter her enemies,
And make them fall.
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
Victory bring.
Rebellious Scots to crush,
I would have withdrawn in protest at having propaganda/national anthem played at a children’s event.
I'm pretty sure that it's not compulsory to send your child to the St. George's Day parade.
Billy Connolly had the right idea - everyone sing the theme tune to the Archers
more importantly, it needs to be more complex than the current tune so that the bl00dy awful trumpet players that follow the England footy team around can't play it
It’s called discussion and debate.
Sorry. Grumpy today.
But lets look at the sixth verse for a second. That is part of the song after all. The history if the song actively condones the suppression of the second largest nation in the union. It is LITERALLY propaganda. Now you could ignore it and lop it off the end but its still there a bit like ignoring most of leviticus and just cherry picking the bits yiu think will wash into todays society.
Its not my national anthem. its irrelevant the subjects within it are irrelevant they mean nothing to me and alit of other people why shouldnt we question it?
You’ve got to be kidding. The children live in a nation. The nation has an anthem. How TF is that propaganda?
How can a national anthem be anything else?
Have the British always been this cynical and anti-establishment?
Yes! 🙂
The only reason we've not had a revolution in the last few hundred years is that we still remember what happened the last time we had one....
The history if the song actively condones the suppression of the second largest nation in the union.
It doesn't, actually. It advocates suppressing the Jacobite rebellion within that nation, something that was as much highland vs lowland and catholic vs protestant, as it was England vs Scotland.
Which true.
But the song doesnt make that out does it. It just lumps all scots together. What a tune makes you proud to be british...
How about we list all the countries britain invaded and ruled against their will. Tack <span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">sorry on the end.</span>
That would be a fitting national anthem.
But the song doesnt make that out does it. It just lumps all scots together. What a tune makes you proud to be british…
It references a specific historical event - Marshall Wade and the Jacobite rebellion. Anyway, a verse that was popular in 1745, that is not, and never was officially part of the anthem, makes me no more and no less proud to be British.
Which is where i think the problem lies for me.
Our history is none to pretty lets have some positive future gazing in a song full of hope and with a nice danceable rythmn to it.
I don't believe in god or the queen, meaningless drivel.
The only anthem where the 2nd verse is actually; Ner, ner, ner etc.
The Spanish national anthem has no words. You can "ner ner ner" to all of it 🙂
<p>German national anthem does alright as far as things go. (as in presently sung third stanza)</p><p></p><p>GSTQ sixth verse, meh, was written by a twunt for twunts a lng time ago, let it go. If Germans can still sing Deutschlandlied then we can sure as hell let go of a verse that was never officially part of the anthem anyway. As TJ said, Flower of Scotland is just as cringeworthy nationalistic nonsense.</p>
"Joshvegas wrote,
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But the song doesnt make that out does it. It just lumps all scots together"
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Contextual basically, it was clear at the time and I don't think they expected it to be being sung in 2018. Winston Churchill wouldn't want us to fight German people on the beach now either
Our history is none to pretty lets have some positive future gazing in a song full of hope and with a nice danceable rythmn to it.
Oh, it's a terrible dirge and as an atheist-republican, it means nothing to me. I think I last sang it on the St. George's Day parade...
<p>Exactly, presumably crush the rebellious ones and the rest can go (Scot) free. Not like we don't fiddle the books when it comes to the "English" side.</p>
....I'm getting no traction for Oops Upside Your Head.so perhaps the nation's just not ready yet?
As an interim measure how about a generous extension in coverage of the Yorkshire national anthem? What patriot's heart doesn't swell with pride singing about eating one's mate, (via the ducks which ate the worms that ate him/her) who died of cold after shagging hatless on the moor?
What patriot’s heart doesn’t swell with pride singing about eating one’s mate, (via the ducks which ate the worms that ate him/her) who died of cold after shagging hatless on the moor?
How often have you seen ducks on a moor?
How often have you seen ducks on a moor?
All been eaten by patriotic Yorkshiremen haven't they!
contrast this with the Brexit national anthem
I thought that was "two world wars and one world cup, doo dah"?
I don’t believe in god or the queen, meaningless drivel.
You don't believe in the queen? She's definitely real, she's been on telly and everything.
How often have you seen ducks on a moor?
Duh, they were all eaten. Do pay attention.
Damn you, PP.
Duh, they were all eaten. Do pay attention.
I have. Which is why I spotted that the song is a warning about what will happen, and not what has happened.
Final attempt to solve this.
The USSR one definitely has the best tune, they're not using it at the moment, and the way things are going we're probably going to end up singing it anyway so why not just go straight to that?
Союз нерушимый республик свободных
Сплотила навеки Великая Русь.
Да здравствует созданный волей народов
Единый, могучий Советский Союз!
I think the anthem should be "heads, shoulders, knees and toes!"
It could also help with the obesity crisis.
The second verse of the national anthem is:
Hen Gymru fynyddig, paradwys y bardd;
Pob dyffryn, pob clogwyn, i'm golwg sydd hardd
Trwy deimlad gwladgarol, mor swynol yw si
Ei nentydd, afonydd, i fi.
That's easy for you to say
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