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Another press conference at 5pm from BloJo - as he's only jsut got plan b agreed I'm guessing its not more restrictions; just scaring everyone ready for plan C (hristmas cancelled) next week? Not that I'm saying the scare isnt warrented


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 2:43 pm
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Here is the latest update to schools regarding the 2nd dose for kids -
Young people aged 12 to 15 in England will be offered a second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine at a minimum of 12 weeks from the first dose, following advice from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI).
NHS England have now confirmed that, as with first doses, healthy school-aged children aged 12 to 15 will be able to receive their COVID-19 vaccination in their school next term, as well as having the option to receive the vaccine out of school, such as through vaccination centres. These offers will run in parallel.
Vaccination for this group will continue to be deployed primarily by the school age immunisation service (SAIS). In school vaccination will begin from Monday 10 January and all schools should have received at least one visit before February half-term. We expect most schools to require multiple visits so vaccines can be administered to all consenting pupils. SAIS teams will be in touch with schools from the start of next term to discuss what is best for their circumstances.
For some very small schools, on-site vaccination may not be appropriate but alternative arrangements will be put in place to ensure timely, accessible, and equitable vaccination for these children.
More information for schools on the vaccination programme and how second dose delivery will work, including information on consent gathering, will be published by the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) shortly.
Schools recieved this last night.
Hope it helps,
BJ


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 2:44 pm
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Ace! Did he also say to lock it in the bathroom for a week.

She and her. Smash the patriarchy, or something.

I do have my emergency Union Jack on standby though.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 2:47 pm
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Just had my booster.

With regards to the situation in Germany, have a look at this....

https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/coronavirus-karte-deutschland-101.html


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 2:52 pm
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they choose a really rubbish colormap! I cant see the difference between 400 and 1000!


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 2:54 pm
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Well, as a family we've decided were still going ahead with Xmas day what ever he says - 5 households. We've all cancelled other Christmas Parties (work) and nearly all triple jabbed and we will do LFT's before hand, so Bojo can get lost ! Been WFH for last two weeks due to general 'bugs', so not been near anyone.

Unless Bojo just likes to hear his own voice again.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 2:55 pm
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Well, as a family we’ve decided were still going ahead with Xmas day what ever he says – 5 households. We’ve all cancelled other Christmas Parties (work) and nearly all triple jabbed and we will do LFT’s before hand,

I don't blame you and I suspect many others will do the same.

Let's hope nothing too serious comes of it, for anyone, whatever they choose to do.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 2:58 pm
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they choose a really rubbish colormap! I cant see the difference between 400 and 1000!

I thought that, but then I'm colour blind AF.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 3:09 pm
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Ref 12-15 year olds, they’ve really done a piss poor job of getting this group vaccinated, I was amazed to see that 1st dose is as low as 45%. Beyond pathetic IMO. (No clue if it’s a failure of the program or also hesitancy from parents)

Saying that, 16-17 year olds are also pretty bad which semi surprised me as my daughter and her friends were very keen to get vaccinated as soon as it was available.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 3:10 pm
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Here's a tale... close friend (lets call her Julie) works for the NHS. In their role, Julie and fellow nurses sometimes work in the office, sometimes visit families in their homes and occasionally work from home.
Julie was in the office yesterday. One of the others did a couple of visits, then came into the office.
That colleague has today called in to say she's tested positive for Covid.
The manager has told her stay home. Don't need to call the families, as she was wearing PPE and colleagues who were in the office don't need to worry as they were wearing PPE.
Julie and the others are worried, 3 are vulnerable, and so Julie goes out to local chemists to get some LFTs. None in stock! NHS office have none for them! "Source your own".
Manager working from home offers no reassurance. Julie has to comfort colleagues and they have found some LFTs in a chemist in another nearby town.
No wonder this thing isn't going away.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 3:14 pm
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Re: kids vaccines, its a bit of both - its the same team that vaccinates the kids for their normal jabs (MMR etc) so there's *alot* of extra kids to vaccinate, and not much time or extra staff to do it.
We've had very little kick back from parents. I reckon 90% want it. Mainly so they can all go on holidays, but they still want it.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 3:16 pm
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Does anyone have a handle on what’s going on in europe?

be aware the vagaries of testing. Denmark tests (and sequences) more than anyone, and the UK 2-5x more than most. so the numbers are not to be taken at face value. look at Poland for example, sadly their death rate is already hitting peak of last winter the official number of cases is way higher. only just over 50% vaxxed too 🙁


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 3:16 pm
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From my experience working in a post 16 college, most of then are not interested in being vaccinated. They're not anti vaxers. They said they just can't be bothered.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 3:20 pm
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Johnson is too weak to announce new restrictions now -especially b4 n shropshire byelection, which i suspect is real reason for tonights presser


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 3:50 pm
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i suspect is real reason for tonights presser

Let's hope this works as well as his chat with the 1922 committee then 🙂


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 4:13 pm
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press conference party political broadcast on the eve of a by-election at 5pm from BloJo press conference at 5pm from BloJo


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 4:18 pm
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He now knows full-well that the only way he can get any further Covid measures through is with labour support and huge opposition from within his own party

Given that he's both a ditherer and a coward this does not bode well that the priority through whats going to be a long winter will be the measures needed for public health


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 4:22 pm
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We have all pretty much agreed that we won't see anyone at work until feb at the earliest


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 4:37 pm
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After our anonymous vote, our work "party" is still on this coming Friday.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 4:43 pm
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really?

it sucks cancelling our one, but no one wants to be isolating over xmas, do they?


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 4:49 pm
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5pm from BloJo

Will he be sober enough?


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 4:53 pm
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Its the same twelve people I see three times a week. Plus a few people who sleep in the same bed as them. We are going bowling.
Hence party being placed in inverted commas.
In my chosen career a 1000 person piss up in a fancy London hotel is not going to happen regardless of infectious diseases.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 4:55 pm
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We had a work get together last week, which we all had to do lateral flows for so we could attend. Christmas party was supposed to be this Thursday except it's now had to be cancelled as everyone picked up Covid last week!


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 4:55 pm
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Personally, it's a relief not to have to go to Xmas parties. I have no interest in this kind of forced and unpaid labour 😀


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 4:56 pm
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do you really dislike the people you spend a large portion of your daily life with that much?


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 5:10 pm
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I'm an NHS Estates employee, just been asked to do some planning work I've only had to do when the pandemic was in full swing, work from home, no Christmas party (hurray!).
No Trust CV-19 patient numbers have been released for a few days, which in itself is very strange as we have been informed of this regularly up to now, infact there has been very little info coming out compared to 'current normal'.
If its not going to proper kick off again with the Omicron variant, it looks like its definitely being planned for, with another lockdown possible in January.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 5:15 pm
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Big jump in reported cases today. Highest since the start I think. If Jenny Harries is right about the doubling time, it's just the start.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 5:19 pm
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@ayjaydoubleyou - It's more that I like to keep a wall between my personal and professional life.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 5:20 pm
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Big jump in reported cases today. Highest since the start I think. If Jenny Harries is right about the doubling time, it’s just the start.

Depends if they continue to run out of PCR appointments - that will stabilise the figures nicely.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 5:22 pm
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So I'm on my last day of isolation from contracting what appears to be normal 'vid, and my partner seemed to avoid it, got her booster on Sunday, and then today, she's tested positive after starting to feel symptoms yesterday.

So my questions are these:

1. I'm reading you can still test positive even after a booster, but it may not be quite as severe - or you might not even know which is providing symptoms; the jab, or the 'vid - either way, a negative/positive PCR is the only thing that gives the truth?
2. My 'vid PCR didn't come back as Omicron - given that not at labs can identify it, I'm assuming either they didn't test (although I'm in Bristol, so would hope/expect they did) - or I didn't have it. Can you get normal variant 'vid, and then in quick turn after recovering contract Omicron (my booster is booked mid Jan)?


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 5:44 pm
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Doomed, we're all dooomed!!

The morbid obsession on here is beyond belief.
How many people are currently in hospital with this? 14 is the latest figure I saw. 14 out of millions of people. Hardly reason for a national meltdown and the current record levels of scaremongering that's going around, especially with what's coming out of south Africa which everyone seems to be ignoring, probably because it resembles some sort of positive and we can't be having that can we.

You can tell who's sucking up all the hyped up media trash and who isn't.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 5:49 pm
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6358 patients in hospital and 786 in ventilator beds
Source here - https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=England

Up to you if you believe the current concern, but there are enough people without a vested interest raising the alarm to give me a cause for concern


 
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^

I have to agree to some degree, I have mixed feelings about it all, although potentially a million cases a day by Christmas seems a lot!!

Balance that against actually severity of illness however, I do think there is a fair bit of scaremongering going on in the media


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 5:55 pm
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I’m glad that so many gullible people are happy to get jabbed at the behest of the clueless to maybe reduce mild flu like symptoms 🤷‍♂️


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 5:57 pm
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How many people are currently in hospital with this? 14 is the latest figure I saw

You do understand that it takes 3-4 weeks for people to go from a positive test to potentially needing hospital, ICU and the morgue?

You do undestand that the NHS is already close to breaking, and if staff get ill and can't go in to work, they won't be able to treat many new patients whether they have Covid or are having a heart attack?

You do understand that failing to prepare for this to go bad till its too late will make the deaths, the serious ongoing illnesses, the lockdowns and the resulting economic mess much worse?

Because if you don't understand these basic facts after 18 months you really are behind several curves.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 5:59 pm
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Balance that against actually severity of illness however, I do think there is a fair bit of scaremongering going on in the media

What data are you basing that on that relates to an ageing rather than a young population?


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 6:00 pm
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I do think there is a fair bit of scaremongering going on in the media

What took you so long???


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 6:00 pm
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6358 patients in hospital and 786 in ventilator beds
Source here – https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nation&areaName=England
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Yes, but those numbers have been reasonably static since late July

Similar with the headline case numbers.
Positive numbers are up, but thats because they have processed more tests.
The positivity rate has been broadly static since mid October


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 6:01 pm
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It's the media trying to get one last big push for revenue before the end of Q4 financial year.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 6:03 pm
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You can tell who’s sucking up all the hyped up media trash and who isn’t.

I'm not reading the hyped up stories, just looking at the figures and listening to my friends in the NHS. Add in TiRed's contribution on here and I feel I'm getting a decent picture of what is actually happening. I see a lot of Red Flags and we need to act accordingly. That's not overreacting at all, it's called being sensible and a good citizen.

We cannot afford to make the same mistakes we did in previous waves.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 6:04 pm
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How many people are currently in hospital with this? 14 is the latest figure I saw. Hardly reason for a national meltdown and the current record levels of scaremongering that’s going around, especially with what’s coming out of south Africa which everyone seems to be ignoring, probably because it resembles some sort of positive and we can’t be having that can we

I hope you're right! But if we track back a couple of weeks to when those 14 people caught it there weren't many Omicron cases in total. Extrapolate that out to todays case numbers you can see the concern...


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 6:06 pm
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I notice that only channel 5 have the press conference on live on the terrestrial channels.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 6:10 pm
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Really? Watching on BBC NEWS channel anyway.

All about GET BOOSTED NOW, and the King thanks the workers stuff.

Calling for kids to be jabbed before they go back in Jan.


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 6:13 pm
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What was the point of that?!


 
Posted : 15/12/2021 6:14 pm
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Yes, but those numbers have been reasonably static since late July

Daily COVID hospital admissions have doubled in London in the past 2-3 weeks after a period of stability. This has followed an increase in cases and will lead an increase in ventilated patients. London is leading the increase across the country.

Whilst not trying to scaremonger in any way, some appropriate prospective measures are reasonable given 1) the increase in Delta AY.4.2 cases and 2) the emergence of omicron.

It may be that omicron is mild, particularly in vaccinated, but Delta has also been growing in the U.K.


 
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