piemonster
New member too
To his credit, he had the savvy to post 3 times in non Covid related threads.
Think I will go with Troll
To his credit, he had the savvy to post 3 times in non Covid related threads.
Being new here you will have to enlighten me as to the cunning subtext in that comment.
For the record, I have always been staunchly pro-Israel and deeply against anti-semitism. You’ll just have to take my word for it since you don’t know me.
If you stop the stuff about yellow stars and making light of the Holocaust I'll have reason to believe you.
From where I'm siting the management of Covid has been a compromise between personal freedoms and keeping essential services working. 2 million 135e fines handed out IIRC and 9% have declined a vaccine but 91% have been vaccinated and 64 Million haven't paid a fine. Some level of coersion is needed in the same way as radars keep speeds down and most people don't lose their licences.
There was a bit of chat here about the 200k a day number
The URL says enough, some annoying links in the text I was going to copy so haven’t
but where do you draw the line? At what point are you comfortable making a two tier society, where one group of people have access to certain priviledges based on their willingness to comply with societeal demands
They all see that as perfectly normal and justified on here
If one chooses not to assist the community by getting vaccinated then one chooses not to participate in that group. One gets to stay home and order in food online.
House arrest for not taking something you don't want to take? I'm amazed a bunch of liberals think this is the route we should be taking. But of course you do.
If you stop the stuff about yellow stars and making light of the Holocaust I’ll have reason to believe you.
Honestly, I'm not making light of the Holocaust, really, I'm doing the exact opposite: using something so universally regarded as an attorcity to demonstrate that we hold our civil liberties and freedomes delicately in our hands and they should be cherished lest that vile situation repeat itself. Yes I'm being somewhat melodramatic, but that was the irony part.
From where I’m siting the management of Covid has been a compromise between personal freedoms and keeping essential services working.
Yes it has indeed and we've succeeded and I think we're, just about, on the right track but it's a precarious one and one that could tip either way, like it has in Germany, Austria and Greece. Passports for large venues are scary but not as scary as compulsory vaccines, which thankfully we are not talking about in this country.
judetheobscure
Being new here you will have to enlighten me as to the cunning subtext in that comment.
Just an observation is all.
I won't take this further off topic.
In Germany it's only health workers who are concerned by the vaccination obligation and they can resign if they wish. We've had the same here in France for a while and some health workers have chosen to stop working.
How well do you know Spain?
If one chooses not to assist the community by getting vaccinated then one chooses not to participate in that group. One gets to stay home and order in food online.
I see not much has changed around here!
Hey Jude. Got your evidence for
In Germany now you have to show papers to police officers in the street to prove you are ‘clean’.
yet.
I really think you should follow Auschwitz memorial on twitter
Its not pleasant, but
You may learn something
https://twitter.com/AuschwitzMuseum/status/1470141339484528641?t=RhZM_dj3Lw5Vfexdj1_atA&s=19
On patent waivers…
https://twitter.com/gareththomasmp/status/1466363496510201856?s=21
“Pick that up in the New Year”… while rushing to get boosters in arms here this month… the poorer countries in the world get to watch on as we fail to treat their need for off patent vaccine production with any urgency at all. Still. After a year of vaccinating here.
would you be comfortable making the same moral judgement of people who are over weight and have heart disease, smokers with cancer, those who indulge in promiscuous unprotected sex and contract HIV? It’s a genuine question and a valid one if you are making that moral argument.
1. It isn't a moral judgement.
2. Those other behaviours don't potentially affect other people in society, aside from requiring expenditure of government funds
Analogies with Nazism, forcible segregation or genocide are ridiculous. It's red top level lazy. Typically, victims are discriminated against because of religious, cultural and ethnic differences, hardly the case with vaccination.
@kimbers You wouldn't know this, but I am a second generation Polish refugee whose grandfather was in a concentration camp (Belsen) so this is an area of history I'm quite well versed with. And with respect nothing I've said is 'exploiting' anyone; I'm drawing comparisons and yes they may tend towards hyperbole and irony but that is not the same thing as 'exploitation'.
The very reason we need to preserve the memory of what happened is so that it doesn't happen again, where the 'it' in that sentence is that we create a two teir society of those with and those without access to things we now take for granted based on their social status.
@kilo well a very good friend of mine was there recently and told me this is what was happening. I should check the veracity of her claim (she's pretty trustworthy but is prone to hyperbole also!) but in case you've not followed the news, Germany now has made it illegal for those not vaccinated to go into non-essential shops.
well theres a coincidence eh
Do not feed the bloody big obvious troll.
@kilo well a very good friend of mine was there recently and told me this is what was happening. I should check the veracity of her claim (she’s pretty trustworthy but is prone to hyperbole also!) but in case you’ve not followed the news, Germany now has made it illegal for those not vaccinated to go into non-essential shops.
So that’s a no then.
@kilo yes quite possibly - my friend is one of those silly high achievers (runs her own PE firm for instance) but she is quite the exagerator! It's possible that what she has said is true but I coulnd't swear to it.
Does it cause you some anxiety that I posted it? Apologies if it did, that wasn't my intention.
Your spelling is doing my head in, nevermind the bollocks you're talking.
Rather than guess and speculate here's the list of measures taken in Germany, some are suspended until they go through a review process:
You'll note the measures are not a full lockdown and there's no need to show vaccination papers walking down the street.
Madame's Polish grandfather was also thrown in a concentration camp, in his case by the Soviets for having served in the Polish army pre-war, it killed him. Her father fled first the Nazis then changed identity to avoid the Soviets. Covid measures just aren't in the same league and anyone who thinks making comparisons is valid and acceptable is siding with some unpleasant conspiracy theory manipulators.
What would you do if you were running Germany and hospitals were getting saturated? I'd limit the chances of those most likely to end up in hospital, the unvaccinated, of catching the virus - that means keeping them away from other people. In France the unvaccinated are only 9% of illegible adults, but even that 9% is is taking up 80% of ICU capacity in some hospitals.
Moving on for the moment...
My son managed to get a booster slot for next Tuesday I'm glad to say but his partner couldn't get a booking. Different practices but same Trust.
I also managed to get some LF kits booked to be picked up from my chemist so it's worth persevering if you need them.👍
@Elshalimo I think you know in your heart of hearts that my spelling is just fine and all that you're seeing are typying errors (because this is a biking forum - or at least I thought it was when I signed up recently, I begining to regret that decision - so who really give a toss about accurate spelling?)
If you don't agree with me, that's fine. Perhaps formulate a cogent argument as to what you disagree with and we can debate it like civilised people?
Covid measures just aren’t in the same league and anyone who thinks making comparisons is valid and acceptable is siding with some unpleasant conspiracy theory manipulators.
Nicely said.
Covid measures just aren’t in the same league and anyone who thinks making comparisons is valid and acceptable is siding with some unpleasant conspiracy theory manipulators
I think I already addressed this - I acknowledge my comment was hyperbole and explained why. A lot of other people feel this way also and the great majority of them are just regular people, they're not consipiracy theorists or nut jobs (though there are plenty of those around).
Sorry but if I can just step back for a minute and ask, since I am new here, but is there some rule book I've missed about what I am or am not allowed to say without being accused of being a troll or of talking 'bollocks', as someone so eloquently put it above?
I've come to mountain biking recently and was recommended this forum but am seriously wondering why I bothered.
I thought it was a baking forum.
Having to show a QR code before you go to the cinema does not equate to genocide
You are insulting the memory of millions
So here's my question: are the number of new cases really doubling every 2-3 days? If so, then that is head-spinningly worrying. It looks to me (and I might be wrong) that we are already on as many new cases per day as we have ever been, and in London at least (not sure about the rest of the UK but I imagine it won't be far behind) around half of those are now Omicron. So, 60,000 a day of Omicron alone by, what, Thursday or Friday? And then double the previous highest number of new cases by the end of the weekend? That literally makes me feel a bit dizzy with concern...
I’ve come to mountain biking recently and was recommended this forum but am seriously wondering why I bothered.
Then if you stick to the biking forum you'll be fine. We'll probably be happier too.
since I am new here
😃
You wouldn’t know this, but I am a second generation Polish refugee whose grandfather was in a concentration camp (Belsen) so this is an area of history I’m quite well versed with
Are you versed with how the pandemic is going in Poland right now with 54% vaccination rate?
Not sure I can reconcile the whole imagined fear of the covid passport and mask rules, with the experience reported by batfink of how his mother found these things to actually work in Australia, which has had its share of antilockdown protests so far.
People really do need to step back and think rationally about what these measures actually mean.
So here’s my question: are the number of new cases really doubling every 2-3 days? If so, then that is head-spinningly worrying. It looks to me (and I might be wrong) that we are already on as many new cases per day as we have ever been, and in London at least (not sure about the rest of the UK but I imagine it won’t be far behind) around half of those are now Omicron. So, 60,000 a day of Omicron alone by, what, Thursday or Friday? And then double the previous highest number of new cases by the end of the weekend? That literally makes me feel a bit dizzy with concern…
It's not killing anyone though, even if the contagion figures we are fed are true
It's even been stated that unvaccinated seem to have a surprising amount of antibodies, hence it's not hitting anyone hard. Which makes the 'double jabs are useless/booster is the answer' propaganda seem even more questionable.
There are also reports that it's waning in SA, literally a few weeks after it's discovery
the ‘it’ in that sentence is that we create a two teir society of those with and those without access to things we now take for granted based on their social status.
Vaccine rules aren't based on 'social' status. They aren't based on who you are, just the medical risk you might pose to others.
This happens anyway, my wife had to have a TB X-ray when she lived in France to prove she was not going to bring TB into the country. It's about keeping people safe. The Nazis were about dehumanising and eventually killing people they didn't like. Really huge difference.
It’s even been stated that unvaccinated seem to have a surprising amount of antibodies, hence it’s not hitting anyone hard. Which makes the ‘double jabs are useless/booster is the answer’ propaganda seem even more questionable.
Most unvaccinated people would have antibodies from exposure, but the point here is to reduce transmission to the vulnerable. One vaccine helps, two helps a bit more, three helps even more still. It's not complicated.
I’ve come to mountain biking recently and was recommended this forum but am seriously wondering why I bothered.
Yet you've not posted or replied to a single bike related topic and have focused almost all of your posts on this thread. Regrettably that fits a recent pattern on stw that instantly sounds alarm bells in peoples minds.
I hate doing this as I like to give people the benefit of the doubt on here and most importantly in real life.
So, if my conclusions are wrong I genuinely apologise but if I'm right you have truly made up some appalling lies to support a view you hold. I don't mind the views you express at all. If some facts you use are fabricated though, I'm speechless.
As I can cant be sure either way, it's just best I don't reply to your posts. I'm really hoping I'm wrong in truth, I think I'd prefer that overall.
Can somebody qualified please peer review TAFKASTR?
since I am new here
Return of the Native, I suspect.
Then if you stick to the biking forum you’ll be fine.
You'll be Far from the Maddening Crowd, too.
hence it’s not hitting anyone hard
Anyone? So, no one hospitalised?
No one at all. It's all Xmas jumpers and pool parties in the hospitals. Laughing at us all with that below inflation pay rise.
Can somebody qualified please peer review TAFKASTR?
But that would be a waste of time
wouldn't it?
Comments such as "if the contagion figures we are fed are true" and "Which makes the ‘double jabs are useless/booster is the answer’ propaganda seem even more.." strongly suggests already an unwillingness to accept what highly qualified medical experts are saying.
If he doesn't believe Professor Chris Whitty why would he believe someone on here? TAFKASTR will simply continue to give more credit to his unnamed sources.
Oh… he’s back again, is he?
Hey ho.
Do not feed the bloody big obvious troll.
Trolls are normally trying to make up for other deficits in their life.
Perhaps he doesn't own a bike?
So here’s my question: are the number of new cases really doubling every 2-3 days? If so, then that is head-spinningly worrying.
literally millions will be isolating over xmas at this rate, which is ****g bonkers
colleagues in hospitals are very wrried taht their xmas plans will be cancelled as theyyl be called back in
