Also remind him that as of this coming Monday, double jabbed people won’t have to isolate as a close contact.
Assuming that you are fairly young and healthy (being on a bike forum, and being so late for your second jab) the chances that you will be too ill to work is going to be lower than you getting the dreaded T+T phone call.
Remember there is a definite selection bias to everyone moaning about being ill after their jab. The vast majority suffer few if any ill effects.
Our 19 year old just got their second jab. A good end to the day.
local shop has shut, old fella has tested positive.
Quite a few cafes round us have been closed over the last 3-4 weeks, mainly after staff have tested positive, rather than a T&T ping. There's a lot of it about.
I got the Pfizer shots a few weeks ago. No symptoms to report. Although I suddenly get text messages directly to my eyeballs and speak a language I've never heard before.
For anyone who has a subscription - a pretty devastating tear down of the corruption in the WHO that undoubtedly contributed to millions of otherwise avoidable covid deaths.
The highlights include appointing Robert Mugabe as a WHO ambassador and giving a leading role to the wife of Xi Jinping.
China, the WHO and the power grab that fuelled a pandemic:
The WHO being late feels like an irrelevance now, when so many countries were refusing to act on WHO advice ‘till their own dead started piling up anyway.
The problems at the WHO were just the start of the issues. Don't let the appalling errors by other governments get ignored by this kind of distraction
I’ve been off the thread for a week due to work commitments. But suffice to say that today I rode a bike. And when I say rode I mean full Lycra and 50k fixed. God I have missed it. Took about a mile to remember how to clip in properly and think with my bike traffic head.
As for recent developments. Let’s just say it’s up in the air. My analysis show clearly that admissions are down at least 2/3 on where they should be without vaccines and deaths are down 9/10ths. The time delays are absolutely n hanged, however. Provided near-term emergent variants have similar coverage as delta, we are in a new phase of the epidemic. You will see that 16-17’s can now be vaccinated. Perhaps they’ve had a delivery. And about time. If you have adolescents then they’ve probably already expressed a desire to be vaccinated. A nice study on possible waning vaccine immunity was published by Mayo using Minnesota data a few days ago. The half life is about two months for antibodies and also symptoms. I think we have perhaps 8-10 months protection against symptoms per dose, possibly 12-18 months or more for serious disease.
So will cases rise? Yes I think they will. But not so rapidly as they were when delta took off. Will healthcare be swamped. Not by this variant. We will see about flu and RSV (which is rising) but that’s probably two months away.
[tl:dr] we’ve turned a corner and I rode a bike. Worry a little about variants that might escape, but things are currently looking encouraging.
Thanks for that TiRed. Fantastic to hear you are back on a bike.
Fantastic to hear you are back on a bike.
+1.
Nice one Tired, great to hear, on all counts!
Everything about that is good news.
Especially your good news.
This is exactly why we <3 this thread.
Wife and daughters got back from a camping holiday with a cousin on Saturday. We visited my 91 year old mum on Sunday - took her out of the care home for a push around the park. Sunday evening, got a call - cousin's tested positive. We all took tests at a drive through yesterday (tremendously efficient and remarkably busy). Wife and I are negative, daughters are positive. I've emailed the care home directly rather than waiting for Track and Trace.
I feel so guilty. Original plan was for me to go on my own but my mum wanted to see her granddaughters for the first time in 18 months. 🙁
very similar situation here, except swap care home for just out of hospital after 3 weeks recuperating from a fall / hip pin operation.
Thankfully we did LFT's before going which showed the two kids being positive and we called it off. Both asymptomatic showing the importance of continuing to keep the guard up and do LFT's regularly.
Hindsight's a wonderful thing though, hopefully being in the open air will have helped, and also did they keep distance while seeing your mum?
(FWIW, kids have now passed it to me so I am now positive and we did try to distance as much as we can all living in a small house. Wife has stayed clear so far. They're all back in the outside world, I've got 2 back to back isolations, adds up to 2.5 weeks in total. Bastard annoyed to be fair as I've barely been anywhere myself and pretty sure the kids picked this up from a trip out with the wife to London to see a show. If I deteriorate and die from this I am going to haunt them from the other side with extreme furniture moving, ornament throwing prejudice)
If I deteriorate and die from this I am going to haunt them from the other side with extreme furniture moving, ornament throwing prejudice
I'll bear this in mind - wife and daughter had a day out in London to see a show last weekend, eldest has just come back from a few days camping with friends in Wales.
I shall be mightily pissed off if our LFTs are positive on Wednesday night before we go away to Edinburgh, especially as we saw my parents on Sunday
(Predictive text changed parents to Karen's, and I wonder how it knows.....)
Sorry to hear about your mum theotherjonv, I hope her hip recovers well.
The girls were generally kept a distance but as my mum is deaf were necessarily facing towards her to talk. Being outside should help and they're asymptomatic so hopefully have a low viral load.
Fingers crossed Murray, on both counts.
My mum's not great, back in again now. She's had a tough few years, diabetes on top of crippling arthritis and fibromyalgia, which self perpetuate, because she isn't active she hasn't controlled her weight well which affects the diabetes and FM and so on. Kidneys have been deteriorating over this time and we had a good discussion with the renal team in June where they said she'd need dialysis, and on the basis of the steady decline in her kidneys that was probably 9-12 months away so to start thinking of logistics and get mentally prepared. But they also said that an 'insult' to the kidneys could bring that forward hugely.
The GA to do her hip was that insult, and so she had to start dialysis a fortnight ago, a week after her hip op. I don't think the next bit's related, but then on Monday (after we were supposed to visit on the Sunday) she suddenly got horrific abdominal pain, blue light in again, and has a perforated bowel / peritonitis..... Now in a bed on IV antibiotics, waiting to see if the bowel can heal itself or will she need a colostomy.
I'll miss her when she's gone of course, she's been a wonderful mum and a great partner to my Dad (Diamond anniversary this year) and hopefully based on my Dad's daily bulletin she is improving but if this doesn't self-heal, I don't know if she has the spirit to face another op and a colostomy bag and I wouldn't hold that against her at all. FWIW TJ has exchanged messages and helped me understand what options there may be, he's an argumentative arse but a very kind hearted argumentative arse for all that.
Sorry, that's a bit of a cathartic vent. I'm very pissed off by the virus, by people who can't follow basic rules, while I do and that means I can't visit my mum, possibly for the last time.
Hoping it's a positive outcome theotherjonv.
Keep venting
Yay!, at last Dumfries And Galloway are #1 at something - we now top the leaderboard for covid infections in Scotland, two weeks ago we were at the bottom.
I'd like to offer my congratulations to the mask avoiding covid twunts up here on holiday who helped ensure we have the highest rates in Scotland just as the kids go back to school on Thursday, well done you utter dicks.
Just went into my local bike shop in fife. Pretty much the first non super market or major retailer I’ve been in since lock down kicked off
Only one of 4 staff were wearing masks, and 1 of 5 customers (excluding me). Obviously all these individuals may have genuine health reasons for not wearing a mask, but I think it unlikely
My perception of mask adherence up here was based on going to shops like Asda, Halfords etc. I had assumed most folks still wore them, but clearly not!
We've seen this in a few places; Western Isles for example. Local community has low rates, gets complacent, one imported case goes viral.
On a train at the moment. It's packed with late-middle-aged bell-ends and I'm the only person wearing a mask.
These self-entitled ****s completely disregard the fact that the younger generation sacrificed their education, careers, elderly relatives and more as a result of three lockdowns, and they can't even be bothered to put a piece of cloth over their mouths for 45 minutes.
****ing annoyed. I've been to three red-list countries in the last fortnight and I'm still wearing a mask for their protection though right now I genuinely wouldn't give a shit if the whole lot of them end up choking on ventilators.
Just a wee observation, the fact that this thread is slowly grinding to a halt is very good indeed. 🙂
Just a wee observation, the fact that this thread is slowly grinding to a halt is very good indeed. 🙂
I've wondered what the graph would look like if posts per day on this thread was plotted with infections/deaths
I think we have perhaps 8-10 months protection against symptoms per dose, possibly 12-18 months or more for serious disease.
@TiRed Firstly great to hear you're back on the bike!
Secondly - when you say 8-10 months protection against symptoms per dose, does this mean 16-20 months protection if double dosed? Or is it not that simple? (i.e. boosters required in say a year for most)
A dose is classed as both jags (in the case of AZ, Pfizer and Moderna).
Ah ok.... so i guess by that reckoning, they need to start boosting the over 80s next month.
I can't wait for the recall of Parliament to be a superspreader event, a few friends and colleagues being properly ill with it again might focus their minds.
Wow how pathetic. It's almost as though you're hoping that this pandemic isn't going to end. Maybe instead of hoping it still makes fully vaccinated MPs ill you should hope that actually things are finally getting a lot less scary and people are ready to start getting back to normal.
Wow how pathetic. It’s almost as though you’re hoping that this pandemic isn’t going to end. Maybe instead of hoping it still makes fully vaccinated MPs ill you should hope that actually things are finally getting a lot less scary and people are ready to start getting back to normal.
really @myti thats your take? the point is the government are telling us to do something whilst they themselves are above the rules, they should either change the guidance or follow it, otherwise they can expect 0 respect & compliance from anyone
theres still >700 a day being admitted to hospitals with CV, things are loads better (see Tireds post) , but ignoring it wont make it go away, or do you also think the governments guidance is to be ignored?
Wow how pathetic. It’s almost as though you’re hoping that this pandemic isn’t going to end. Maybe instead of hoping it still makes fully vaccinated MPs ill you should hope that actually things are finally getting a lot less scary and people are ready to start getting back to normal.
Hope by itself will have no effect at all.
Clear, sound leadership by example would however make a difference. Which was the point you so deftly missed.
Clear, sound leadership by example would however make a difference.
That would be nice. Meanwhile wishing for a super spreader event and for fully vaccinated people to get seriously ill is ****ing sick and smacks of someone with a chip on their shoulder.
would do you think it would take to make them follow their own guidance?
That would be nice. Meanwhile wishing for a super spreader event and for fully vaccinated people to get seriously ill is **** sick and smacks of someone with a chip on their shoulder.
You clearly missed the point of his post didn’t you…
they need to start boosting the over 80s next month
That’s pretty much the plan.
Good to see our previous PM wearing a mask in the commons. Along with most on the opposition benches.
Any thoughts on what's going on in Israel at the mo?
I'm perplexed as their vaccine rate is similar to ours I believe.
Israel extends Covid restrictions to three-year-olds as cases surge
Good to see our previous PM wearing a mask in the commons. Along with most on the opposition benches.
👍
You clearly missed the point of his post didn’t you…
I'll try and be a bit more obvious in future.
I’m perplexed as their vaccine rate is similar to ours I believe
Waning immunity? New variant?
Enjoy the last portion of summer while you can.
I’ve not looked at what’s happening in Israel, but all indicators are rising here now. I was hoping cases, admissions, and even deaths would all be falling in the second half of August. If that isn’t seen to be happening by the time schools and colleges are returning, the government better have a plan beyond “it’s your problem not ours”.
Any thoughts on what’s going on in Israel at the mo?
I’m perplexed as their vaccine rate is similar to ours I believe.
Israel gave the two vaccine doses a couple of weeks apart as recommended by Pfizer. In the UK we took what at the time was a gamble and went for a three month gap which as it turns out gives a more robust immune response better able to handle the Delta variant. It now seems 2 months between doses is the optimum gap. The US also gave doses at the recommended interval and may end up in the same place as Israel.
What's the collective thoughts about stuff like this?
https://rumble.com/vdn1hl-big-enquiry-about-masks.html
@batfink - how are things going for you in Sydney?
We dodged a bullet in Queensland (for now at least), but it's looking nasty down there now 🙁
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What’s the collective thoughts about stuff like this?https://rumble.com/vdn1hl-big-enquiry-about-masks.html/blockquote >
I only skimmed it as it's nothing new, hence the date on the vid. Within a few minutes you can see where it's heading.
Its header also reads "voices for freedom NZ". Whenever I see "Freedom" and "masks" related together I just switch off in truth.
Its just snowflakery about wearing a mask in the shops for ten minutes in the main.
