48k cases today. Absolutely smashing it out of the park. 100k in a weeks time?
Certainly going to be well north of 50k by the weekend, it's completely out of control. What's even more worrying is the rate that vaccinations are dropping off.
Has that been updated? I make it 3 leading on “masks chaos” and 8 not.
Does look like the links now go to different headlines although the BBC page says it hasn't been updated. The Telegraph has definitely changed.
19 deaths reported today but going back to Sunday 4th July.
Curve is following Cases / Hospitalisations so we can expect the death rate to keep increasing until the end of next week.
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Is it just me that wonders just how bad the UK figures really are now, given that cynical me expects young adults not to be getting PCR tests unless they feel really unwell, in case they jeopardise future mass events like full capacity football stadiums by testing positive on mass?
Cases roughly predicted for mid Autumn is 260,000 per day yet with a deaths per day of 570. Last time that happened was roughly Feb 19th, with 27,000 cases per day and the hospitals a half the peak capacity of the winter peak.
Thats the approximate worse case Gov.uk is looking at, because between now and then many more vaccines will improve the death number and maybe even the case number by reduced transmission. Plus, no schools so reduce transmission in children.
After that, a variant may be scary but between vaccines and cases a massive amount of people in the UK will have antibodies to bring a more resilient (to known Covid variants) presentation over the winter period.
I think I have that right.
Is it just me that wonders just how bad the UK figures really are now, given that cynical me expects young adults not to be getting PCR tests unless they feel really unwell,
That's why admissions are probably best thing to look at
And right now they are increasing more rapidly than they were at start of winter wave in October (tho presumably better treatment & younger/vaccinated patients mean much less deaths)
I’m pretty cynical about case rates as well. I think I’ll hold my breath for changes to admissions/deaths.
48k cases today. Absolutely smashing it out of the park. 100k in a weeks time?
thats a massive number! Surly at some point this will start to amount to full hospitals again aka "pressure on the nhs." I totally get we can't be in this state of rolling lockdowns and we have to get to a stage when we live with this but, something has to be done to make sure this doesn't get any worse. lots for words
My worry is that a new variant will be born out of these rampant cases but will be hidden in all the noise. This new variant could be less deadly but leave people very unwell, filling the hospitals so quickly that we won't have any warning and nothing short of a proper, full lockdown will stop it if it can be stopped.
all looking like another ruined summer despite vaccination.
FYI Not going on holiday is not “another ruined summer” by any stretch of the imagination.
FYI Not going on holiday is not “another ruined summer” by any stretch of the imagination.
No it's not.
But not being able play in his national level orchestra, not being able to start to rebuild his fledgling career as a jobbing musician, his sister not being able to represent GB at Eurogym cos it was cancelled are all opportunities they might not get again.
I'm not saying these sacrifices aren't needed, but I feel for the kids hoping not to lose another summer. Or any more relatives, which is properly important.
Well it's fairly nailed on that we will have restrictions again. I think sooner than winter if I'm honest. Looking at the global pictures, cases rises up and again and deaths. Just shows that vaccinations overall are nowhere near the levels needed to open up international boarders. What, 2-3 years before that ever fully returns?
500k+ people have been pinged by the app to isolate in the last week...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57854999
48K cases is probably the semi-final peak coming through. Give it until next week when the final mass-infection effect hits the numbers. All this illness and costs to the economy for a stupid game of fussball. Should have been cancelled.
(I'm not a fan you may gather!)
Looks like a few people have tested positive after going to the Goodwood Festival of Speed over the weekend.
It will be interesting to see how the big 'test' events have fared when it comes to infections, theoretically there shouldn't be any due to the test requirements but that's obviously not completely true.
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Full MemberIt will be interesting to see how the big ‘test’ events have fared when it comes to infections, theoretically there shouldn’t be any due to the test requirements but that’s obviously not completely true.
Though you might have thought that they'd wait for the results of those tests before Freedom Day eh...
My son has just returned a positive after watching the football with friends last week. Seven of them positive so far.
Most have deleted the app and three other who were with them are refusing to get tested and are just carrying on as normal. Bring on Freedom Day....
Isolation now for all of us including my wife who is a cancer nurse.
What a mess. Sorry to hear that eskay.
It's been dates not data for a few weeks
Five live this morning:
"We've deleted the app because it pinged on a day my wife only left the house to hang the washing up."
I'm really worried about this, now.
What if I breath air that has been near these stupid, thick, cretinous, bastards?
Exposure leads to contamination.
I see the news is full of mixed messages again:
Johnson: we’re at the end of a pandemic yet go cautiously on Monday.
Whitty: we’re nowhere near the end of the pandemic, a variant could cause a reversal to 2020, it’ll be some years of measures yet, go cautiously on Monday.
Let’s just be cautious on Monday eh?
The messaging that it is “over” has percolated out into the public consciousness now. It’ll take a lot more than careful nudging by the “boffins” to undo that.
To add to the stories above; one of the jnrs friends is positive. His mum phones her work and says she can’t come in and needs to isolate for 10 days, her boss says “no, you need to come to work YOU’RE not positive”
She drives a school bus for vulnerable and handicapped children, some needing physical assistance aka touching and close contact.
Luckily, she’s more sense and argued the toss and is staying at home.
Well, we’re at 52% of the population double vaccinated, so the other 48% can go swivel as we go full steam towards an ill defined freedom, ignoring the warnings from people who seem to think they’re smarter than us.
I'm yet to see anything that suggests another course will be taken Kelvin. It has for ages looked like many were to be thrown under the Covid bus.
I've no idea what real infection rates currently are but I'd be borderline astonished if there are not significant sections of the population experiencing no/mild symptoms who are not testing or isolating. If that is the case the lockdown needed to regain control would surely have to be so severe the public wouldn't take it?
Point the boss at the websites and tell him to read up
- someone you live with has symptoms or tested positive
seems clear enough.
As for
48k cases today. Absolutely smashing it out of the park. 100k in a weeks time?
Don't be surprised - the case rates and doubling time told us this was already wired in 15 pages ago. My next prediction is that it won't go that high (or much higher) because people will avoid being tested so they don't then legally have to isolate.
Even post 16th August, you still need to isolate if you have a positive test, but contacts will not need to if they themselves are not positive. Yet AFAIK there is no legal obligation to have a test even if symptomatic and you have been in contact - you are advised.
I agree as others have said above, it's now looking like hospitalisations becoming the more reliable measure of the infection levels but that signal only comes a week or so after and loses us that week or so of possible response (not that this Gov would ever now respond)
Like a fire alarm system, where we've turned the smoke detector off but if we spot the flames getting out of hand we'll be sure to phone the fire brigade then.
No, more like only calling the fire brigade after too many people have turned up at A&E with burns.
We are dreading so called 'freedom day' here. Local pubs all closed due to cases on final day. Primary school has numerous cases.
My wife and I are expecting the birth of our first child in the next few weeks so are going in to our own lockdown from Monday. Wife's parents think we are over reacting by saying anyone who comes to the house will not be allowed in and they will only be allowed near us after a negative test. They think we are over reacting. Wife's chosen not to have her jab yet until after the birth.
My wife and I are expecting the birth of our first child in the next few weeks so are going in to our own lockdown from Monday. Wife’s parents think we are over reacting by saying anyone who comes to the house will not be allowed in and they will only be allowed near us after a negative test. They think we are over reacting. Wife’s chosen not to have her jab yet until after the birth.
Best of luck for the arrival, and dealing with wife's mother - both of which I found traumatic at the time 🤣
You are absolutely doing the right thing given the current situation.
Good luck with it all MrWhyte… oh, and SLEEP NOW!! 😹
Good luck Mr Whyte
We had a baby in march last year, it's been a strange time. However even with all the masks and everything else, the midwives and NHS in general were incredible. You'll be in safe hands. I definitely agree you need to do what's right to stay safe and stuff what everyone else thinks.
The bit we've found hard, made worse by the pandemic, is having less support since the birth for breastfeeding etc, playgroups, even just seeing friends and having places to go. My wife has had a really hard time of it.
I hope things are about to get slightly better in that regard. There's still help out there if you need it and hopefully will be easier to access for you guys.
The messaging that it is “over” has percolated out into the public consciousness now.
Who would have thought going on about "freedom day" might just have people thinking its, well, freedom day and not check through the terms and conditions apply.
Congratulations and good luck Mr Whyte - I know of others who've acted similarly to you, definitely seems the sensible approach.
Anecdotaly I've heard (not seen it myself) that many people in Wales have stopped wearing masks even though our rules are that they have to remain. Really does feel like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Good luck MrWhite. You and your wife are definitely doing the correct thing.
Here in Wales most are wearing masks. It seems that the English tourists aren't, stupid people.
The very same English tourists who are ignoring the signs saying, 'No dogs on the beach between May and October'. You see they are on holiday and the rules of Wales just don't apply to them. Grrr.
I'm English btw and am abiding by the Welsh rules.
Thanks all!
It seems freedom Day is being classed as 'do what ever the f you like day' by many. Again that messaging coming straight from Boris.
BunnyHop, I feel your pain. We have it down here in Devon too!
Got the train to work in Edinburgh early this morning.
Mask compliance very low. And every single non mask wearer was a youngish white male and had hard hat, high vis and steel toes on.
Haymarket station staff didn't seem bothered.
First time I've ever seen it like that
every single non mask wearer was a youngish white male and had hard hat, high vis and steel toes on.
Been my experience too. Such a guy was asked by older lady working at bakery could he wear a mask and he replied he was exempt (whilst smirking). A-hole.
I stupidly clicked on someone’s FB profile after seeing them give hate on a RNLI post, and I fell down a covid conspiracist/denier black hole, I’ve come here to cleanse myself. Her page is full of hate and bile, downright dangerous lies, all the worst covid denier stuff……… However the worst? Her partner died of covid and she still doesn’t believe it. ‘Ivnot Admijab’ for those of you curious to levels of stupidity and danger
Mask compliance very low. And every single non mask wearer was a youngish white male and had hard hat, high vis and steel toes on.
MY experience as well. These folk comprise 90% of non mask wearers. Being macho?
I’ve got it at the minute. Waiting for my PCR result after a positive lateral flow test. I was at Goodwood. Not a happy camper.
One of the largest hospitals in the country has cancelled all its planned operations for Thursday and Friday because of a lack of beds and space in intensive care.
The Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham, which has more than 1,100 beds, has had to stop dozens of elective operations, including liver transplants, because of increasing numbers of coronavirus patients as well as wider demand.
The hospital’s intensive care unit, one of the largest in Europe, was full on Thursday with 10 patients in the wider hospital on a watch list who may need a bed in the critical care unit. This meant there were no spare beds for planned operations and transplants where patients would need an ICU bed post-surgery.
I was at Goodwood. Not a happy camper.
A bit of a self fulfilling prophecy. I genuinely wish you well, but reading Kelvin's post above would make feel a bit selfish about rushing out to a mass participation event right now TBH.
Mr Whyte, first things first...Congratulations, slightly in advance!
You and your wife are adopting the right approach and, in the circumstances, it's entirely proportionate; if your inlaws don't like it, that's tough.
Who would have thought going on about “freedom day” might just have people thinking its, well, freedom day and not check through the terms and conditions apply.
The media has a lot to answer for in making the government's crap messaging worse than it needed to be.
Both the kids now have friends who have tested positive, though they haven't met them in the window for transmission. Supposed to be playing in their first concerts in 16 months tomorrow night, not sure there will be enough kids not isolating to actually form a band, let alone an orchestra, and genuinely concerned at taking my 79 year old mother to go and see it.
Being macho
Or just not the brightest..
Well, we are over 50,000 already - 51,870...
Yikes.
