@jam-bo yes, that's exactly what I do to, I'm only talking about places where wearing one is mandatory (unless exempt), such as public transport, public buildings, shops etc etc. I saw a lot of people on PT taking masks off once seated, or regularly removing them to eat/drink/breathe etc.
On the new carrier, 4 weeks into a far east deployment, 100 sailors have covid.
All personal dpuble jabbed pre deployment, ok some may hsve only been a week prior tp sailing, this does however indicate maybe the efficacy of 2 x jabs isnt quite as high as it is claimed
1 x acquaintance i know has it, a month after jab number 2
So lets all remove all safeguarding now.. Led by donkey's
It wasn't just on the QE aircraft carrier other crew on ships in the strike group have had it. There's 3700 personnel in the group, so around 3% of the carrier group has had it so far (could go up obviously)
There's no indication yet that anyone is seriously ill with it, which is the key part.
Just because your friend has had it after being double jabbed doesn't mean anything either, it's well known that the vaccine isn't 100% against mild illness but either scenario doesn't mean it's less effective than what's been stated so far from the various studies.
Interestingly the only people i have seen unmasked are young working guys
This whole system in England is messed up and designed to encourage uninstalling apps, not identifying close contacts etc.
Got the call we were dreading today. Freester Jr coming home from school - close contact with someone who had +ve PCR (contact on school bus as it happens). Quite a few cases at school and coincidentally a mobile testing unit at school today to test all children and staff because of the number of cases there. The voicemail I get from school is 'Freester JR can still have a PCR test before going home if we have permission'.
Mmmm let me think about this. If Freester JR is isolating as a contact, no symptoms, the rest of the household can go out I can continue to work (WFH not an option for me). Bad enough an active 10yr old is stuck at home, Mrs F has to take unpaid leave (got supply teacher days to end of term at another school). If he has a PCR test it comes back +ve we're all isolating.
My initial selfish reaction is don't get a PCR for him. Wait and see if there are any symptoms. Minimise the risk of the whole household isolating rather than doing the right thing as a good citizen.
If he was +ve in a few weeks time, we wouldn't have to isolate (both double jabbed).
/rant
But no - we're good citizens the whole household has been doing flow tests twice weekly, reporting results to work, to school, Gov website etc. We'll do the right thing get him a PCR test today as it's been offered and take it from there.
But you can see why people are bending the rules.
I'm sure it's different from region to region, locally where I am, adherence is very good... in London definitely I noticed some demographics were much worse than others! Whether it's lack of a sense of community that makes people not bother, I don't know. Younger people in groups were pretty bad for not wearing a mask at all (I'm sure peer pressure comes into play there), older people probably the worse for wearing one but not properly.Interestingly the only people i have seen unmasked are young working guys
I could see it pretty easy to work out in many cases though.
Particularly as we did 'the decent thing' and warned them ourselves. Out of courtesy, will they be seeing elderly relatives etc.....
Try to do the right thing and cockishness gets in the way. This the reason why, if you have a minor car to car shunt where it is your fault, you cannot just do the decent thing and apologise on the spot.
Gaming the system always seems clever to those doing it because, guess what, yep - they don't think of anything or anyone beyond the end of their own nose.
I'm just venting really, the lads are out riding tonight, the weather looks great, tonnes of retirees are walking past my window smiling and I'm stuck indoors for the next 7 days and working.
BOLLOCKS!
But you can see why people are bending the rules.
For the same reason they have for well over a year now… without financial support from the state to isolate, there is a perverse incentive for many to avoid being traced and told to isolate. Our track/trace/isolate system has never worked, despite the massive cost of it, because it puts the financial burden of isolating on either the individual, or their employer, or both.
without financial support from the state to isolate
Or just wanting to **** off on holibobs...
Well, I don’t know anyone avoiding T/T/I for holiday reasons, but can absolutely accept there are people doing so. But the big hole in the system is people who can’t work from home, and don’t want repeated absences from work because either they can’t afford it, or don’t want to have their cards marked by their employer.
I’m stuck indoors for the next 7 days and working
At least you can work and get paid.
So, Wales keeps masks indoors as a legal requirement also. Johnson has this wrong, doesn't he...
Yes. And that he is now emphasising that we will be “expected” to keep wearing masks suggests that he knows he has.
What he needs is a massive spike in data to support a u-turn rhetoric, he's probably a week to early for the Euro's to do that, maybe he can point at Norway.
Otherwise, we'll be forced to wait until the predicted August peak isn't actually stopping, and he waves the white flag - I'm assuming thats what the September review is for - and again it'll be a repeat of too little too late.... business as usual.
I’m assuming thats what the September review is for – and again it’ll be a repeat of too little too late…. business as usual.
The September review is just to confirm the next lockdown at the beginning of October through til March 2022.
He'll have locked the north down at the end of August but meh, it's not London, so who cares?
August should see things calm down. Any real price for the summer lackadaisicalness won’t be apparent ‘till late September, early October, if another academic year starts to fall apart again. Hopefully we can avoid that though. It’ll take more than luck and wishful thinking between now and then to do so… and waiting for it to happen to only then take action to try and stop it from happening simply does not work.
I think that we we can all be confident that the next academic year will be just fine in the safe hands of our wonderful and capable education secretary
At least you can work and get paid.
Please don't reason with me when I'm having an emotive and disproportionate rant...😉
Daughter was outside with a friend who attends a different school on Sunday for an hour.
Monday, the friend is told by school to isolate as a close contact of a positive (LF?) test.
Tuesday, friend is told she doesn't need to isolate after all. (Contacts PCR came back negative?)
Today, friend up feels like she has a cold, does a LFT and comes up positive. Waiting on result of her PCR.
Bugger, bugger, bugger.
Bloody hell it’s a shambles out there now. Green list holiday back on Amber after 3 weeks, holiday movement and refunds running amok, Sainsbury’s has said it intends to promote masks in stores for workers and shoppers for safety or your not coming in…
A real free for all starting based on weak, inadequate leadership.
Green watchlist holiday back on Amber after 3 weeks, holiday movement and refunds running amok,
And further more
If you didn't see that coming you should remove the blindfold.
Shit show... as of Sunday i am back into lockdown mentally.
Fairly predictable on the holidays.
What I haven’t seen, is what red list countries mean for the lucky nuggets with 2 jabs. Is it still £1700 hotel isolation?
As something could flip from amber to red with no warning, are we prepared for this?
it’s not London, so who cares?
Talking with people from darn sarf yesterday, they were pretty convinced London is next. North West initially, hasn't really gone down but the North East has overtaken us, where next? Very similar pattern to last time, the south got away with it until Christmas when they decided to party (remember tier 2) and it all went tits up in time from Christmas. In the meantime the north carried on in a zombie like stat of tier which it had been in since a very brief period after wave 1.
Anyone who even thinks about booking a holiday abroad is not the full shilling.
Travellingtabby now doing a handy comparison graph for the Scottish Cases, Deaths and Hospitalizations data
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Note: each metric on the chart is on its own scale.
Peak deaths on the current wave should be around this time next week.
My youngest caught it earlier this week. We think he picked it up at the vaccination centre.
My wife and I were actually out of town so avoided catching it or the TnT fallout, but now our other son has caught it from his brother, and we're trying to figure out how we go home.
We're both fully vaccinated, but I don't really want to find out how well the vaccines work if I don't need to.
EDIT: interestingly my youngest also caught it back in March 2020 back before it was trendy - so original covid antibodies from a year ago are maybe not much use against the delta variant.
interestingly my youngest also caught it back in March 2020 back before it was trendy – so original covid antibodies from a year ago are maybe not much use against the delta variant.
Has he had a positive test yet ?....or are we still guessing he might had had covid or a.n.other bug ?
Has he had a positive test yet ?….or are we still guessing he might had had covid or a.n.other bug ?
+ve LF followed by +ve PCR test. Obviously didn't get one in March 2020 as it wasn't really possible then. He says the symptoms are pretty much identical, but not as full-on and over much quicker.
Considering single dose vaccine only offers 10% protection from delta, the oldnpastits son could likely have it again
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03777-9
Going by other Coronavirus infections I’d have assumed at 16 months you’d be increasingly open to another infection (even before you get to a more infectious variant) but hopefully with a better shot at remembering how to fight it off?
The papers this morning (well, apart from the Mail) are certainly giving the government a roasting over the mask issue.
Seems like the exact same scenario that we had at the beginning of all of this: the public and businesses a few steps ahead of the government.
A real free for all starting based on weak, inadequate leadership.
It was always going to be this way with a big child in No 10.
the public and businesses a few steps ahead of the government
Populists will shy away from making real decisions on real issues that may prove to be unpopular. They have nothing other than their populism to trade on.
Manufacturing problems with other countries, then fighting them over these problems whilst waving a Union Jack is much less risky.
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I currently work in a PCR test site. The complete lack of understanding of some folk staggers me.
Sunny day, client walks in for a test. As he is leaving I carry on the chat and he jokes that I'm going to be shut indoors all day while he is off to sit in a pub garden with his mates. Things take a darker turn when I point to the sign saying he now should self isolate, going straight home, not to the shops or to see friends.
Woman with a screaming child asks me to hold him down while she administers the test or could I do it while she pins him to the floor. I point out I can't come within 2M of them. And I'm certainly not going to restrain a child or administer a test, I'm just there to walk her through the process.
Just a complete lack of comprehension that we have to assume they are potentially infected when they walk through our door until a negative test comes back.
Sorry to rant. 5 weeks of 13hr shifts has shifted my view of humanity. I do accept that the people coming to see us can be any combination of scared, annoyed, bored and cynical. Itt's a large part of my job to help them with that.
Never mind all that nonsense, the good news today is that some of little Matty's mates made plenty of cash out of the testing programme as well as the dodgy PPE contracts as they received the 'VIP Treatment'. So its not all doom and gloom
ker-ching!
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1415552327285710848?s=20
The complete lack of understanding of some folk staggers me.
Wifes cousin tested positive a few weeks back, she jumoed straight in the car, went to supermarket and did 10 days worth of food shop. 🙁
Trish Greenhalgh posted a very long thread on her thoughts on masks yesterday. Interesting stuff. Her conclusion is you can't reliably prove for certain how well they work, but why wouldn't you?
https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1414294003479089154?s=20
Wifes cousin tested positive a few weeks back, she jumoed straight in the car, went to supermarket and did 10 days worth of food shop. 🙁
Aaaahahahahaha
The papers this morning (well, apart from the Mail) are certainly giving the government a roasting over the mask issue.
Has that been updated? I make it 3 leading on "masks chaos" and 8 not.
view of humanity
Humanity is OK. The (alarmingly large) complacent, thick, boorish, selfish, entitled section of our society is not.
We are an international laughing stock.
Edit: Give it a year and the line (probably censored out in the UK, though) will be "They kept the vaccines for themselves and still ****ed it up by creating and distributing a new vaccine resistant variant".
As he is leaving I carry on the chat and he jokes that I’m going to be shut indoors all day while he is off to sit in a pub garden with his mates. Things take a darker turn when I point to the sign saying he now should self isolate, going straight home, not to the shops or to see friends
Had the joy of my child in floods of tears this morning becuase she started coughing last night and so we said she would need a test and would miss school today and probably tomorrow (last two days of term in first year of school so a big deal) - even at that age she understood when we said she could make her teacher very ill that it would be better to stay at home.
Some people are just knobbers
Scotland figures continue to look positive..
Sainsbury’s has said it intends to promote masks in stores for workers and shoppers for safety or your not coming in…
In my local Sainsburys they haven't given a shit from day one..
48k cases today. Absolutely smashing it out of the park. 100k in a weeks time?
Daughters friend now has a positive PCR, but as she first tested positive on Wednesday and they last met up on Sunday outdoors, she is not classed as a close contact for isolation purposes.
Daughter had negative LFTs Sunday night and last night, none of us showing symptoms so will do another test tomorrow ahead of gymnastics training and concerts on Saturday.
Son has friends isolating who he was planning on going on holiday with in August, all looking like another ruined summer despite vaccination.
Scotgov reporting 19 new covid deaths today.. seems a bit of a jump no?
ETA: form the website is was back in early March we last had a similar figure.
