Don’t ignore the “not hospitalised but not recovered” people either, however many they are (a bit of a statistical black hole there).
Further:
https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1412033347048677386?s=20
It’s not a reason to lock down, but it is a reason to continue with relatively low impact measures such as mask wearing/some social distancing.
This.
Quick question if anyone knows the answer. I'm not registered for a GP so haven't had my vaccine yet. I can now go for a drop in in Scotland. Will I have proof of my vaccination if I do this? Like through an app or NHS or are the drop ins not linked to your data?
Thanks
It’s not a reason to lock down, but it is a reason to continue with relatively low impact measures such as mask wearing/some social distancing.
Highlight of a very well worded post
I’m not registered for a GP...
Not ever? Or not since you moved?
I can now go for a drop in in Scotland. Will I have proof of my vaccination if I do this? Like through an app or NHS or are the drop ins not linked to your data?
They'll use your details to link you to your NHS/CHI number, if you have one.
Proof up there is a printed document, not via an app (for now).
It’s not a reason to lock down, but it is a reason to continue with relatively low impact measures such as mask wearing/some social distancing.
The problem is when it comes to mask wearing or social distancing, the impact it has is to a degree down to someones opinion. Social distancing has not been low impact for me missing my parents or my parents who have only seen their 2 year old grandson a couple of times. Mask wearing means living in a world of increased isolation. Maybe these are necessary measures in the short term but trivialising their impact is probably unhelpful.
They did say "some social distancing"... not "keep families apart". We are already at the stage where parents can meet up with us, aren't we? We met up with our kids' grandparents for the first time in 18 months recently. Was very welcome... the normal "haven't you grown" comments had extra meaning. Going to stay with them in August. No one is suggesting that is going to be prevented or advised against this summer, are they? I really feel for people with family abroad though... that is going to stay very difficult while we allow case rates to run higher than just about every other country.
I took "some social distancing" to mean things like... queuing with gaps between us at the supermarket... not being 3 deep ordering at the bar... sitting apart waiting to see the GP... waiting outside the barber's.... that kind of thing.
To be clear, 'some social distancing' in my post doesn't cover what you refer to. It's perfectly right that you should be able to visit relatives, and it has been allowed for some time, although if they are particularly vulnerable, then there are sensible things you can do to mitigate that risk - tests/trying to lower your personal risk in the run-up to a visit, that kind of thing.
Mask wearing is inconvenient, slightly uncomfortable at times, and yes, it does hinder some social activities, but not really that much.
My suspicion is that plenty of businesses would like the mask mandate and social distancing to stay, as there will be customers who are currently happy to visit them in a more controlled environment, but will be giving them a wide berth from the 19th onwards if it is a maskless free-for-all.
Not sure I can bare Boris' briefing about "Freedom Day" at whatever time it's supposed to be +30mins or so as he always arrives late.
Hearing him letting indoor masks go along with social distancing, then telling us he is following the science, might well endanger the life on the device I'm watching the briefing on!
Id respect him a bit more if he admitted herd immunity hopes, letting Delta rip through society in the summer and letting bodies pile up so we can all go on our hollibobs without our "liberties" being taken away.
Here's hoping this wreckless plan comes back to bite him hard on the arse.
Here’s hoping this wreckless plan comes back to bite him hard on the arse.
I hope it doesn't... because that means it'll hurt a great many people, and the worst that can happen to him is that he goes on to make lots of money being amusing as an after dinner speaker. It won't leave much of a bite mark on him. So, I hope this "winging it" approach to the summer doesn't result in another broken up academic year for young people, long term loss of health for lots of middle age people, and loss of life for many thousands of older people. I hope Johnson strikes it lucky and gets away with the gamble, and that we all do as well.
Well that's all clear then. Lots of helpful advice in there...
Wear a mask on the tube, don't wear a mask on a mainline service. Or something like that.
The NHS is an emergency service, it can cope with any level of admissions. No mention of all the non emergency treatment that people are waiting for.
Both scientists said that they would wear a mask indoors in crowded places to help protect others. No straight answer from the PM about if/when he'd wear a mask.
EDIT: He's now said he would wear a mask indoors, in the same situations described by the scientists. They've nudged him nicely there, haven't they.
Hearing him letting indoor masks go along with social distancing, then telling us he is following the science, might well endanger the life on the device I’m watching the briefing on!
Countered by Whitty & Valance though, who are quite clear that mask wearing albeit not compulsory should be:
a) In an indoor/crowded space
b) If it helps protect a venerable person you are aware of
c) As a courtesy if asked to.
Its its good enough for Chris Whitty its good enough for me.
Also noted, "...precaution for the Winter period..." It's going to change if the NHS starts to get hit.
Politically then - how many times is Boris going to state words to the effect its our choice AKA its our fault if we don't and we spread the disease.
Beth Rigby on the absolute right track to call Boris out on his refusing to state there will not be a reoccurrence of measures, and his recklessness which he refer to as a removal of government dictat and trust in the people - exact what you'd expect from a libertarian .
Did I just watch a man who refuses to disclose the number of illegitimate children of his there are running around tell the nation about ‘the need for personal responsibility?
I think that, as usual, Marina is probably bang on…
https://twitter.com/marinahyde/status/1412082917505916930?s=21
To be fair... would you want the world knowing that he was your father?
Did I just watch a man who refuses to disclose the number of illegitimate children of his there are running around tell the nation about ‘the need for personal responsibility?
Pretty much spot on.
The subtitle should just have said 'Boris is a c***'
I know I'm not the only one on here a bit nervous about going into shops after the the 19th with a significant uptick in non mask wearing... and the virus.
Personally my attitude to people in shops not wearing them through the pandemic has been polite, non confrontational avoidance. That's how I will continue.
The last thing I want is an argument with someone not wearing a mask a few inches from my face, shouting at me.
For me personally it's the best way to handle shopping etc. I first "test wore" masks outdoors/ in shops in early March last year and did feel a bit daft wearing one back then.
Now? Couldn't care less and I also know a significant amount of others will continue to wear them anyway.
Can't see me not wearing them in shops till next Spring in all probability.
From the BBC Live summary, his argument for opening up now is contradictory. He has great faith in what vaccinations are doing, but even though delaying the complete relaxing of restrictions until a later date would mean more 18+ would be double jabbed (currently mid September estimate) and we would hopefully jump on the 12-16 vaccination bandwagon, he still thinks Covid has an advantage in winter.
Covid is not seasonal, he has proof in the very country he supposedly runs, unlike this time last year Delta is spreading and increasing hospital admissions.
Time to think about ordering some ffp3 masks, let the liberty craver bodies pile high, not much point wearing basic coverings much longer which protect others if I'm infected.
I'm not stopping wearing my mask. Have just got some more good filters on order for my face fit one.
Not at the level of a respirator but face fit and near hepa filtration will do me.
I will continue to be polite and block the exhalation vents though.
Will recommend respro masks and their pro fit accessory. They are not certified for viruses but when i can't smell someone's perfume when wearing it in a shop which when i get outside it is powerful i figure it is going to be pretty decent
I took “some social distancing” to mean things like… queuing with gaps between us at the supermarket… not being 3 deep ordering at the bar
I hope some places will continue with table service. Not just from a social distancing perspective but also because it's very civilised.
Under normal circumstances I’d be quite happy for Boris to usher in his Darwinian agenda, but I doubt any subsequent vaccine-resistant strain will limit itself to the libertarian, mask-refusenik bell-ends.
If it did, this would represent an ideal opportunity to cleanse the gene pool
Did I just watch a man who refuses to disclose the number of illegitimate children of his there are running around tell the nation about ‘the need for personal responsibility?
While I dont disagree he is a tard, why on earth is disclosing how many children he has to the nation is a responsibility he should do?
Didn't know we had to do that, where do I go to publicly announce how many I have?
I really hope the idiot tax kicks in on the 19th July.
All the w-anchors who use the words muzzles, face nappies and think it’s one great big conspiracy.
I for one will still be cautious to a degree and wait for this hopefully exit wave to ease.
Interestingly both easyJet and Ryanair have said mask wearing will still be mandatory on board after the 19th.
Larry… you’re missing the point.
I couldn’t give a toss* how many illegitimate kids he’s got. Though we are aware there are quite a few.
I do, however, object to being lectured on ‘the need for personal responsibility’ by a man who can’t master the basic fundamentals of contraception. On multiple occasions. It’s not difficult, is it?
What does that say about his attitude to ‘the need for personal responsibility‘?
* see what I did there?
Just got back from a ride, did I miss anything important?
when i can’t smell someone’s perfume when wearing it in a shop which when i get outside it is powerful i figure it is going to be pretty decent
I expect so, although the molecules that you smell from perfume are very small in comparison to viruses, let alone the tiny droplets that contain them, so no-one should panic if they can smell a bit of Brut through their mask in a crowded place.
Edit: reply to earlier post: I did a walk in for my second. The NHS online booking service knew I'd had it and I didn't need to manually cancel.
Suggest you find out your NHS number before you go. It's easy and will make it easier for the staff at the centre you go to.
Also it might be time to register with a GP?
I first “test wore” masks outdoors/ in shops in early March last year and did feel a bit daft wearing one back then.
Now? Couldn’t care less and I also know a significant amount of others will continue to wear them anyway.
Can’t see me not wearing them in shops till next Spring in all probability.
Same here, was wearing a mask in early March and was self-conscious the first time in the supermarket but I wasn't the only one. I'll continue wearing one all summer too as I fear we will be back to near-full restrictions again this autumn and winter.
Covid is moderately seasonal according to a TV report here. The micro-drops the virus hangs in the air in dry out faster in dry air, thus the viral load falls faster in dry air. The virus survives best in cool humid air.
I'm off for a PCR test in the morning, I have quite a few of the symptoms now being stated for the delta variant (despite being double jabbed) and one of the kids has had pretty much all of them. Bit mad that the NHS/government website hasn't been updated with the new info, it's still only listing three symptoms and at least one of those isn't common any more apparently.
I hope some places will continue with table service. Not just from a social distancing perspective but also because it’s very civilised.
Been a standard feature of bars in N America and Europe as long as I can remember - it is much more civilised. We might have to start tipping as a culture though 🥺
Covid is moderately seasonal according to a TV report here.
Maybe. But Delta spreads well enough in the summer here.
Been a standard feature of bars in N America and Europe as long as I can remember
Yes I've always preferred bars in Europe.
I'm revising my earlier estimates
Sir Patrick Vallance said doubling rate is around 9 days. We currently have about 25K new cases per day.
I said we'd be at 70-100K new cases per day by the end of the month. Based on SPV's number we'll be at 100K cases a few days after we remove restrictions and THEN it'll really start to spread. If that doubling rate continues we'll be closer to 200K new cases per day by the end of the month.
I really don't get the decision to make it individual choice on the back of that data.
Larry… you’re missing the point.
I think you'll find you are.
Having children out of wedlock or through having an affair is not a lack of or poor responsibility. That's a choice or morals issue depending on the situation.
Not caring for the child is a failure of responsibility which you have no scooby doo as to whether they are or not and that doesn't mean reading them a bedtime story.
I really don’t get the decision to make it individual choice on the back of that data.
That’s because you care what happens.
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I’m revising my earlier estimatesSir Patrick Vallance said doubling rate is around 9 days. We currently have about 25K new cases per day.
I said we’d be at 70-100K new cases per day by the end of the month. Based on SPV’s number we’ll be at 100K cases a few days after we remove restrictions and THEN it’ll really start to spread. If that doubling rate continues we’ll be closer to 200K new cases per day by the end of the month.
I really don’t get the decision to make it individual choice on the back of that data.
Ouch.
Just restocked up on masks (ffp3) and IPA for family after reading that. Was going to replenish soon anyway but sooner rather than later now.
I've no problem hearing bad news mind you, much prefer that than blind optimism.👍
The Tory MP on Newsnight was great. We've broken the link between infections and deaths etc. Qualified by there were >25k new infections today but only 9 deaths reported!!
And face masks were a violation of your civil liberties
🤦
Cases doubling every 7-10 days. Admissions about every 4 weeks. Deaths are tracking admissions at a steady 8x lower (so 12.5%). Comparing this with the same point in Wave 2, we have about the same number of cases, 3x lower admissions and 8x lower deaths. Vaccines have pushed cases into the younger population (highly) and they do not have the same morbidity and mortality. The deaths(admissions) reflects relatively unchanged risk factors for death. the admissions(cases) is now no longer linear - it is in fact roughly a square root power law.
It's a very different place to the last unlocking. We shall see how those admissions grow. I'll add the plot tomorrow...
I'm just pleased that Sajid Javid has Got Covid Done.
I’m just pleased that Sajid Javid has Got Covid Done.
A TITAN amongst us mere mortals
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I’m just pleased that Sajid Javid has Got Covid Done.
TBH after the Hancock Affair, it’s not like any they’re going to be able to tell anyone what to do.
I really don’t get the decision to make it individual choice on the back of that data.
Whether you like it or not, it’s not the only data “informing” the decision making.
2nd jab for me tomorrow, I tend not to mix with gate lickers anyway so hopefully by the time I’m exposed I’ll have some decent protection against illness. Once was enough.
Still looks like a lot of people to be thrown under the bus to me.
Just spotted something curious in the Spectator article on “how bad will the third wave be” and ignoring the usual political bias. And I’m in no position to critique the scientific robustness of the article.
Aside from suggesting 8500 deaths to the end of the year. There’s this;
If the transmissibility rate was higher than I have predicted, would it pose a serious risk? The short answer is no. The situation would not really even change if Delta were twice as infectious instead – the PCCF shows that that would cost only a further 500 lives.</p>
<p class="ContentPageBodyParagraph-module__paragraph--block ContentPageBodyParagraph-module__paragraph--size-medium--spacing-normal">Not proceeding with Step 4 and staying as we are in Step 3 until the spring of next year would reduce the peak of infections at the expense of drawing the third wave out into 2022. While infections would peak at a lower level, the PCCF model suggests the number of deaths would only fall by around 2,000.
Is it reasonable to suggest the the Delta variants transmissibility rate is so high that there’s not much room for that to get worse?
*definitely not a statement
And face masks were a violation of your civil liberties
Luckily the vast majority of people I know regard wearing a face mask as the embodiment of civil responsibility.
Funny how one thing creates such different responses.
I read somewhere that the R value for the Delta variant was reckoned to be around 7 😳
