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I’ve also been pleasantly surprised that our politicians are slightly less jingoistic than the Press – or they are letting the Press just do it for them
Saying nothing implies that the EU's conflict is purely a contractual one with AZ.
It's a smart move.
It is a smart move. Credit where credit is due. I’m very impressed with their responses so far. But then, they don’t have to play the “war with Europe” card when the papers do it for them.
I’ve just returned from Heathrow, where I completed my Coronavirus Vaccinator training.
Radisson hotels donated their conference centre for free to St John Ambulance, including bottled water and coffee on tap. The vaccination training programme is also being “sponsored” by Deliveroo, who arrived with free pizzas for all at lunchtime 😎
As soon as my admin is sorted I will be booking my vaccinator shifts. It feels good to be doing something positive to end this.
The vaccination training programme is also being “sponsored” by Deliveroo, who arrived with free pizzas for all at lunchtime.
Just be grateful it wasn't UberEats as the Pizzas would have been delivered to Stansted or Gatwick if our experiences are anything to go by!
Nice one danstw13.
@dantsw13
Were you already trained up on medical matters and doing vaccinations?
Nope. I’m an airline captain, responded to the NHS programme for volunteers. There were 75 of us at Heathrow today - all sorts of backgrounds and jobs.
Same, i.e., not a doctor or nurse. But it's been 25 days now. Still, I'm stacking supermarket shelves for some money 😀
I love planes BTW. Just can't fly them outside of sims 😀
I can, but just none to fly at the moment!
From my experience and that of colleagues, admin has slowed to snail pace in recent weeks as the programme has spooled up.
dantsw13- huge thumbs up 👌 for what you're trying to do.
Reverting to the EU invocation/revocation of Article 16; in the context of vaccine supply it doesn't reflect well on them but, I think, there is a clear message to the UK - there is legal redress available and we're willing to use it.
That, to me, should resonate with johnson - this time, right may be on your side; next time?; don't overplay your hand.
Yes, there’s no doubt we are now an outsider with little power to wield.
I’m not quite sure on my stance over this vaccine nationalism. Both the EU and U.K. are being selfish and inward looking. I find it all quite distasteful.
Both the EU and U.K. are being selfish and inward looking.
Have the EU even asked the UK to voluntarily divert some of their vaccines?
Both the EU and U.K. are being selfish and inward looking.
Whilst I have little sympathy for the EU, I have a great deal of sympathy for those poorer nations who see us squabbling over our vaccines, yet have none themselves, with probably little chance of getting any for the forseable.
Whilst we will hopefully have far more vaccine in the UK than we'll ever need, and i hope we give the rest away to those poorer nations, what we really need to be doing is funding other countries so they can make their own vaccines. This virus ain't going away any time soon.
Well done danstw13 I hope you get a dose of vaccine as well as a free pizza.
I’m not quite sure on my stance over this vaccine nationalism. Both the EU and U.K. are being selfish and inward looking. I find it all quite distasteful.
I'm sure being an aircraft captain you understand in an emergency the need to put your own oxygen mask on before you help anyone else with theirs. There will be plenty of vaccine for everyone by the end of the year.
The EU signed up to COVAX in the July & UK did in September, this is to distribute vaccine to poorer countries
Although actual goal when created was to distribute vaccine equally to all countries, irrespective of wealth
Well done @danstw13. Not your normal trip to LHR, I am sure. But playing a part, however small, will get you back in the cockpit sooner. I am in no doubt. Just bought MS Flight Simulator for Son2 as part of his course. Hopefully travel will be loosened by August/September as be moves to Spain to continue his training.
Fingers crossed for him TiRed🤞🏻🤞🏻 Hopefully one day I’ll fly with him.
Uponthedowns - I see the situation more as only putting out the fire in First Class due to lack of extinguishers, leaving economy passengers to burn. Sadly the fire down there will still destroy the aircraft.
We aren’t out of this until the world is out of it. I’m glad the UK is playing a prominent role in COVAX. Hopefully now the simpler to make/distribute vaccines are arriving we will start to see them wheeled out everywhere.
If the provision of national government services depended on the 3rd world being supplied equally, we would be bankrupted and ruined tomorrow.
The EU has embarrassed themselves in front of a world audience, much like the UK has been doing for the last few years. The RW press is having a field day with it and will likely gorge themselves on it for the next week or two, then the multifaceted negative impacts of Brexit will come to dominate peoples minds, (if not the headlines.) the RW press will just ignore the facts and pad out the column inches with more opinion pieces.
Government figures have toned down the nationalism on this one. It could be because it is such an easy win for them but over these last few weeks I have noticed a slight disconnect between the Government and their Stooges in the RW press. The press is still fighting the Brexit battle whilst you can see the tories begining to reset themselves in the light of a changing world order now that Trump is no longer in charge.
This my be a daft question, once most of the population in the at risk categories have been vaccinated, does it matter if there are still a high number of people testing positive for covid if there are low rates of hospitalization
I’m sure being an aircraft captain you understand in an emergency the need to put your own oxygen mask on before you help anyone else with theirs.
More like insisting you help your family and friends with their masks even though they don't particularly need it, while the hypoxic people in the other seats can go and swivel.
Or by Dantsw13's analogy, using one extinguisher in First class to put out that fire, but then emptying the others onto it anyway.
This my be a daft question, once most of the population in the at risk categories have been vaccinated, does it matter if there are still a high number of people testing positive for covid if there are low rates of hospitalization
Have you heard of long covid?.
Have you heard of long covid?.
Having lost months to a virus in the past that is probably the greatest concern for my personal health. But many people are barely respecting the rules when there are over a thousand deaths per day, good luck getting compliance when that's 50 deaths but 200 long covid cases.
I'm guessing there's still no data on the effect of vaccination on long covid? Logically if the vaccine reduces the severity of illness it should have an impact on the incidence of long covid too?
More than 500,000 vaccinations in a day for the first time. Could break 600,000 if Scotland and NI have performed well.
More like insisting you help your family and friends with their masks even though they don’t particularly need it, while the hypoxic people in the other seats can go and swivel.
Or by Dantsw13’s analogy, using one extinguisher in First class to put out that fire, but then emptying the others onto it anyway
Well according to any stat you care to use be it COVID infections per million, excess deaths etc most of the fire and depressurization is in first class and business class.
Well, MrsMD and myself just got back from having our frst vaccinations (AstraZeneca) at the Lakeside Country Club.
Obviously too early to gauge and effects but so far so good.
The whole process was very well managed/organised - from the car parking, booking in and actually giving the vaccination. The people running it were efficient, helpful and friendly. In fact,just plain nice. A big thank you to all of them.
More than 500,000 vaccinations in a day for the first time.
It's impressive stuff. My MIL gets done today. 🙂
I hope they have enough vaccine coming to keep the momentum going after the first four groups.
Well, MrsMD and myself just got back from having our frst vaccinations (AstraZeneca) at the Lakeside Country Club.
I hope they have enough vaccine coming to keep the momentum going after the first four groups.
Of course they do, they have the EU's 75mil doses.
Just had mine....got my long run in before I had it, expecting to feel a bit ill tomorrow
Larry lamb, if we had 75 million doses in this country do you really think they wouldn't be running round the clock and having a 12 week wait between doses?
This my be a daft question, once most of the population in the at risk categories have been vaccinated, does it matter if there are still a high number of people testing positive for covid if there are low rates of hospitalization
long covid concerns aside (and i very much share these!) a high number of people testing positive = a high rate of admission still. only ~ 25% of ICU beds were filled with those over 65 IIRC. if we take the brakes off too early the NHS will still be swamped.
impressive numbers of vaccinations being delivered now. massive thanks to all those involved.
if we take the brakes off too early the NHS will still be swamped
The government currently seem to understand this, even if many of their MPs do not. Fingers crossed…
There does seem to have been a tone change in the government since domcum got the boot.
They actually seem to be listening to advice rather than do whatever and blame everyone else.
Might just be the media perception though
Larry lamb, if we had 75 million doses in this country do you really think they wouldn’t be running round the clock and having a 12 week wait between doses?
Woooooooooooooooosh
There does seem to have been a tone change in the government since domcum got the boot.
They actually seem to be listening to advice rather than do whatever and blame everyone else.
I'll agree the first sentence, less certain of the second. I think that they now understand that they are responsible for making the same mistakes again that have led to the second wave, if they **** it up completely for another wave they have probably realised that their heads may end up on spikes.
Had mine yesterday (Oxford Astra) after my wife phoned me and said they had spares from people who hadn’t turned up. Late on Saturday afternoon so no time to be phoning people to come in so husbands and partners of the staff ( she works in a GP’s surgery ) were contacted so as not to waste them. Felt ok yesterday and have done a workout today but arm is sore to touch and I’m freezing cold and a aching legs ( the workout wasn’t too strenuous)now and can’t seem to get warm. Sure it will pass pretty quickly. For reference I’m 54y.o
There does seem to have been a tone change in the government since domcum got the boot.
They actually seem to be listening to advice rather than do whatever and blame everyone else.
I'm not sure about the first one - the Tees Valley Mayor seemed to be channeling the jingoism on the local politics programme this morning. The boys own Brexit adventurers have taken a bit of a kicking over the past few months - Trumpism down and potentially out, multiple Brexit problems and a pesky virus showing it's immune to ideology. Vaccination going well, Europe scoring a massive own goal the dander will be up. Prime Minister's questions will be a good indication of the true level.
Just in terms of Cummings I had been wondering if our massive over ordering of vaccines was partly his doing. The high risk high reward doctrine.
On the second Liz Truss wasn't giving me that impression on Andrew Marr. I think there is a real risk it will all be blown in a rush to re-open air travel. The WHO raises some interesting points about prioritising global vaccination over national once the most vulnerable groups are done.
There also seems to be some sense in prioritising teachers. Would it be to better to prioritise all frontline people over fifty in the next round? This hit home a bit this week - my 80 something neighbour lost their son in law this week. They were a bus driver, over fifty, 2 weeks infection to death. Meanwhile I'm sat here working from home not really in contact with anyone. There'll be people in their 60s in my situation. Although I'm going to be fairly low down the list anyway I think it would be better if some are bumped up within the next round.
There also seems to be some sense in prioritising teachers
There isn't. It's not an evidence-based prioritisation.
There are high-risk occupational groups but teachers don't fall into that category.
Almost 600000 vaccinations on Saturday is incredible and I applaud every single person involved in that effort. I hope numbers similar to that can be maintained. I was sceptical about an average of 300000 a day.
I am a teacher, and whilst I would love a vaccination, vaccinating teachers won't stop pupils spreading it to pupils and hence to other families. Reopening schools will increase community transmission. We need to have a system in place to be able to squash community transmission to safely reopen schools. We could call it a "World Beating Track and Trace system"...
So, if a vaccine effectively simulates an infection and gets the body producing antibodies, does that mean that anyone who has actually been infected can also be considered to be the same status as someone who was actually vaccinated?
If the above is correct, what is the total number of people who have been vaccinated combined with the total number of people who have been infected? And what is that as a percentage of the UK population?
It's got to be quite a high percentage?
There are high-risk occupational groups but teachers don’t fall into that category.
Is that teachers as a whole? Or teachers over fifty? It would seem sensible, if not perhaps practically possible to target higher risks within a banding. We've not really done the working population at large in the current round of priority groups.
In terms of kids out of school and damaged life chances - it sets people on a path but we don't have to force them to stay on it. I feel the Inspector Calls analogy coming on. Damage is being done now but it's how we address the aftermath that matters. The years after need to be focused on undoing the damage. I still feel social issues are a flag of convince to some, not wanting to handle the hardships now or put in the hard work later (or even the money). Very likely the same people who would like to see a severe curtailing of equal opportunities in a Brexit bonus bonfire of the regulations. Yep this is crossing the streams but the shape of the nation is what will lock in the damage.
I don't really follow daily covid data it stresses me out, but I checked today and also the states they are still pushing 100k daily cases. How is it that bad there still!?!
the states they are still pushing 100k daily cases. How is it that bad there still!?!
Because until Biden took over they were basically ruled by a Covid Denier