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Johnson says he mourns every day. He shares the grief of those bereaved. He takes full responsibility, he says. There will be a time to learn the lessons and reflect on them. But that moment is not now, he says.
Not the time to learn lessons?
We can take it from that statement that we're doomed to keep repeating the same grim cycle then? Lock down too late, open up too early.
The usual Tory headbangers are already agitating for restrictions to be lifted. No doubt the spineless windbag will once again do their bidding. I expect the resulting, inevitable Lockdown 4 will also arrive several weeks too late
Don’t forget he was insisting schools were safe the day before he closed them. He must have know he was lying.
In an era when words are twisted to 'That's not what we meant' with alarming levels of obfuscation and sheer brassneck, this one takes the biscuit
<p class="css-38z03z">There was much the same lack of detail during the following urgent question, on when schools might reopen. Though for once this was nothing to do with the uselessness of Gavin Williamson as the education secretary had left his junior minister, Nick Gibb, to do the gig of letting everyone know he didn’t know what was going on. Which wasn’t a wholly bad move, as Gibb is a great deal more competent than Gav and if he doesn’t know then almost certainly no one else does either.</p>
<p class="css-38z03z">Some schools might open at half-term, Gibb said, some might open at Easter and some might open at some other – as yet unspecified – date. It was possible some schools could open by region rather than as a national body, but it was basically all still a mystery.</p>
<p class="css-38z03z">Though Gibb did rather muddy the waters by saying the reason that the schools were closed had nothing to do with them being unsafe. The safety element only became a factor when schools had pupils and staff in them to increase the chances of community transmission. It must have taken some skill to say that with a straight face, though Gibb doesn’t look like a man prone to many laughs. That’s what working with Williamson can do to you, I guess.</p>
So when they said schools were safe, what they meant was the buildings themselves. If we interpreted it as schools full of staff and pupils being safe, then it's our fault for misunderstanding.
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I listened to R4 programme “File on 4” It followed NHS staff throughout the pandemic, and was prettt harrowing. Should be compulsory listening for any Non-believers.
Aye,then make them listen to the poem from last year "My sister is not a statistic".
https://twitter.com/BBCRadio4/status/1354121897915658245
potentially unpleasant covid test in China
Can imagine this would make the drive through testing centres a little different!
But he won’t.. because the party have realised he’s a disaster who cannot win another election but he’s also a scapegoat for the current situation.
In some respects - good.
He always wanted to be PM. He always felt it was his destiny. He's compared himself so many times to Churchill.
Well now he's reaping all of that. His reputation will (hopefully) be in tatters, he'll be remembered as one of the worst PM's we've ever had (and that is up against a seriously low bar of competition) and he'll be remembered as one of the main driving forces for the absolute catastrophe that is Leave / Brexit.
In some perverse corner of my mind, while wishing we could be anywhere other than Brexit Plague Island right now, I hope he stays there as PM, hating every second of it, seeing his reputation slide ever further, seeing Scotland vote for independence and ultimately ending up in total utter ignominy. And anyway, there's no-one else who'd be doing much of a better job as PM waiting in the wings. Gove, Hancock, Sunak? Priti Patel?! [/shudder]
No doubt we're about to hear a half arsed/too late piece of nonsense shortly...
He's on his feet now announcing the measures he should have announced a full twelve months ago
As this idiot announces the requirement to quarantine on entering the country, lets remind ourselves that 12 months ago, when he was yet to bother attending any COBRA meetings, 5,000 Atletico Madrid fans flew into Liverpool from what was then the epicentre of the infection in Europe, for a Champions League game.
The Spanish FA had shut down their own league a month earlier. Most of those that came over made a holiday of it and enjoyed a few days spreading the virus around the north west of England
Nicola Sturgoen has already said that the quarantine hotel place isn't comprehensive enough (without pre-announcing it) and that Scotland might take a more wide-spread approach.
10 months not 12 binners... but everything else in your post stands.
I remember being absolutely incredulous that that game was going ahead. Thousands of people simply walking off the plane and out of the front doors. It seemed like utter and complete madness. It was known that Covid was ripping through Spain at the time and two thirds of all cases were in Madrid.
Wasn't it the following weekend that the Cheltenham Festival went ahead? With 250,000 people attending?
Everyone needs to be screaming this at the useless fly-tipped sofa as he put his best sad face on and says 'we did everything we could'
NO YOU ****ING DIDN'T!!!!
You did the very least you could until the very latest you could
100,000 people dead and the front page of The Sun is a picture of Boris being sad about that.
Could be worse - Patel saying she's sorry if you feel you are dead.
English schools will not open until at least 8th March
100k dead and rising and tory MPs in parliament are using the flippant phrase 'Captain Hindsight' to make an infantile political jibe. Utter. F***. C*.
You did the least you could until the latest you could
Indeed.
Too little, too late... accuse everyone else of being fun sponges for supporting the means and timing that scientists made clear were needed... and then, once the time has passed... go into "alas" mode and announce a cut down version of the means days/weeks/months after the point where they could have been most effective.
Stable door held open.
Wait 'till the horse is already running loose.
Swing the door shut rather than properly close and fasten it.
Repeat.
Repeat again.
Nicola Sturgoen has already said that the quarantine hotel place isn’t comprehensive enough (without pre-announcing it) and that Scotland might take a more wide-spread approach.
I'm sure we can expect the usual then?
Amazing man can see week into England's future by watching Scottish news
I knew I'd seen all this somewhere before. It is actually the Four Stage Strategy, as described by Sir Humphrey Appleby.
The prime minister is widely expected to travel to Scotland on Thursday.
But Ms Sturgeon said she was "not ecstatic" about the plan, saying leaders should abide by the same rules as they ask of the general public.
Asked about the trip, Scottish Secretary Alister Jack said Mr Johnson would go "wherever he needs to go in his vital work against this pandemic".
Ms Sturgeon also voiced concerns that UK plans for tougher quarantine rules "do not go far enough", as the UK government announced that UK citizens arriving from regions with new virus variants would be provided accommodation for 10 days to isolate.
Ms Sturgeon also voiced concerns that UK plans for tougher quarantine rules “do not go far enough”
How many times have we heard that over the last 12 months?
He won't do whats required because of the howls from the Desmond Swaynes and John Redwoods on his backbenches. He is utterly spineless and caves in as soon as the libertarian headbangers start screaming about infringement of liberties and damage to the economy.
Once again, as with Brexit, the tail is wagging the dog. A small group of far right lunatics are dictating policy which is hugely damaging to the country. Even with an 80 seat majority he refuses to face up to them and simply gives in to their demands. Its why everything is so half-arsed and far too late
The problem is that he shows no stomach, even now, to do what needs to be done. All I see is an endless cycle of lockdowns as he sits dithering and hiding from his responsibilities like the coward he is
Even with an 80 seat majority he refuses to face up to them and simply gives in to their demands.
no he's not he's siding with them.
Quite a neat summary!
dazh
Full Member100k dead and rising and tory MPs in parliament are using the flippant phrase ‘Captain Hindsight’ to make an infantile political jibe. Utter. F***. C*.
They love that Captain Hindsight line so much that they shout it at him when he's making predictions, or saying "In November I predicted this and told the prime minister that if he didn't take action, this would happen". Foresight is actually quite a good power, if not generally considered a superpower, more a prerequisite for people who want to run countries.
But most of the time Starmer doesn't even need his Foresight powers, he just needs Normal Sight. "See this thing that's happening today, which is in the papers and suchlike? Should probably do something about it." But Dr Deny-Reality is his kryptonite.
Boris has been doing a shit Churchill impression since he left Eton. He’s finally found himself in a position where being Churchillian and working his arse off might be useful, and it’s all gone south for him.
Churchill had the V-sign, Boris apes this by proudly showing us his opposable thumbs at every opportunity. The irony being he has spectacularly displayed a constant ability to grasp anything.
this exchange amused me.
Ian Blackford, the SNP leader at Westminster, asked Johnson to maintain the universal credit uplift and improve support for the self-employed.
Johnson said the SNP should stop talking about an independence referendum.
Who is it that keeps banging on about independence -?
Oh damnation - this has got back into politics again. We really should try to keep it on topic. Sorry chaps for my part
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Hurrah!Glad to see you back safe and sound. Have you returned a tanned Adonis after hitting the onboard gym hard?
With my skin colouring? One glimpse of the sun unpon my unprotected (Boilersuit and balaclava) skin and I am instant Mr Lobster. Gymmage time was attained, but too many Sticky Toffee pudding sundays ruined the effect.
Looks like I'll be stuffed next time I come home if the new rules are not changed in the next 12 weeks. There's going to be many like me who are going to suffer. Those of us who have to go abroad on a regular basis to earn our keep, that brings money into the economy and taxes into the coffers, are going to see very litlle of my home and family. My mcurrent routine is 2 weeks pre-joining isolation, 6 weeks on the ship, 4 weeks home. Now, if exemptions are not permitted, I'll lose 2 of those precious 4 weeks home. If I'm lucky the company will pay for the hotel, but there'll be no extra to cover the lost time at home. Anyone want to swap jobs?
Maybe I should retrain in Cyber, but don't know it (whatever that is...).
potentially unpleasant covid test in China
Operation Moonshot no problem in China. 🙂
Could learn a thing or two though - might dissuade folk from risky behaviour if part of the reward was having a swab stuffed up your arse and swivelled in the middle of a hospital car park.
PS I notice Boris is rumoured to be sketching out the necessary conditions for lockdown to be ended, presumably on the back of an off-licence receipt.
I know we all have short memories, but I seem to recall a similar roadmap to freedom touted during the first lockdown, which was promptly lifted without all the conditions being met, and ignored thereafter when the conditions for locking down again were breached.
Operation holeshot surely.
But yeah the prospect of having to drop trousers and bend over in a car park might dissuade some from being careless
too many Sticky Toffee pudding sundays
I've stopped feeling sorry for you.
[ joke - of course - you're in a very difficult position while we wade through this ]
He won’t do whats required because of the howls from the Desmond Swaynes and John Redwoods on his backbenches. He is utterly spineless and caves in as soon as the libertarian headbangers start screaming about infringement of liberties and damage to the economy.
Don't think he's spineless or caving in at all. He's one of them, just a more successful liar.
Herd immunity from the start was always his aim. Clear to see they're still pursuing it through the back door of "schools are safe".
But, big but, this narrative of a spineless weak leader plays right into the hands of what they want next. Strong leadership from someone not afraid to make hard decisions and upset a few people. Priti Patel probably.
Be careful what you wish for.
Jesus christ thats awful
My wife has Covid. We are now locked down for 11 days.
She works for the NHS on the virtual covid ward project in Blackburn. That's where Covid patients are rapidly discharged from hospital to be treated at home.
She was vaccinated (Jab 1) 2 weeks ago. She's been going in to live Covid patients homes on a daily basis since November.
I have no symptoms at the moment. She has mild symptoms. We are fine. But the risks around assuming we will be fine to roam the streets and pubs once we each get the jab is probably over optimistic.
holy shiv balls - that's bonkers. on one hand you think -fine, take him wach him die, on the other they (docs), know that they have a duty of care to keep him alive... security should have come in early and lamped the ****s..
She was vaccinated (Jab 1) 2 weeks ago.
But the risks around assuming we will be fine to roam the streets and pubs once we each get the jab is probably over optimistic.
Indeed. The announcement today that they will make an announcement in February (or rather them saying they now have a plan to produce a plan) about removing restrictions, especially for schools, had better take account of the delay between receiving a vaccination and developing protection. I really hope it includes vaccinating staff several weeks before any return to normal for their workplace, assuming they are public facing. Doubt it will though.
I have no symptoms at the moment. She has mild symptoms
Good luck, I didnt catch it off wife with almost no distancing in the house....did get it at school months later...
Don’t think he’s spineless or caving in at all. He’s one of them, just a more successful liar.
I don’t think he is ‘one of them’ at all. He belongs to no group. He is a totally self-serving narcissist, loyal only to himself. He has no ideology and no beliefs, no loyalties at all. Just whatever suits.
He goes along with whatever best serves his purpose at the time, and will change his position completely without a second thought, if something else then benefits him more. Just ask the DUP, Theresa May or any number of his paid off mistresses and undisclosed number of abandoned children
He’s an utter charlatan and completely untrustworthy on every single level
It was one of his aides as London Mayor who said of him
“everyone loves Boris...
apart from those who know him”
That video ^^^^^
My God.
And I bet its not unique. Those morons shouldnt be allowed outside, let alone on a covid ward
The poor doctor trying to do his best
Although maybe the old geez just wanted to go home and die with the brainless family at his side, as opposed to alone on a ward so he txtd them to come pick him up
That Twitter vid is depressing
Whats also depressing is knowing a number of people I can ‘imagine’ doing the same.
Someone Ive known for years (she is in the mutant turtles hidden by the government camp) tried to talk her elderly mother out of receiving a vaccination as it’s all a plot to control people somehow.
That video is awful.
Can we not just lock those who are refusing treatment into one place, that way they can't pass it on to us before they die
it's amazing that they were allowed on the ward at all.
Could they not have called the police and enforced a quarantine on them?
Seeing as they had definitely been exposed
The level of utter stupidity of some people really is staggering
Glad the solicitor has given their professional medical opinion that some Vitamin C and D will do the trick.
Don't know why we're wasting our time with oxygen, dexamethasone and the like.
Stupid doctors.
[facepalm of epic proportions]
I did a bit of digging around for a few minutes whilst waiting for the tea to brew.
Tobe Hayden Leigh (for it was he) is a Covid denying nutter. Popsey Wiles who seems to be involved is a spiritual healer. So it was all above board, they were going to cure him at home!!
Hayden Leigh "is wanted in connection with a public nuisance offence following a report police received from East Surrey Hospital on Saturday".