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I think that is the hope yes. I really hope it is correct.
I’m also hopeful that the government warnings of woe & doom are because they’ve realised that just hoping for the best is a crap tactic, rather than the fact that we really are doomed!!!
Agreed, I think Johnson has finally learned that overpromising is dangerous as it reduces trust & compliance
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Hurrah!
Glad to see you back safe and sound. Have you returned a tanned Adonis after hitting the onboard gym hard?
Excellent article in the Independent summarising the inexcusable failures of our so called government.
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Those last 2 posts have ensured that I go to bed tonight with a raised blood pressure.😐
**** this government.
Anyone got any critique of Airfinity? Seem to have punted out a bunch of - Countries X and Y will achieve herd immunity by date Z
That Independent article is utterly damning and should be used to slap Boris round the head. Repeatedly.
If Starmer doesn't MTFU and start to do it on our behalf soon, the chance to change the political narrative for the next generation will be lost.
If Starmer doesn’t MTFU and start to do it on our behalf soon, the chance to change the political narrative for the next generation will be lost.
Indeed, although there is probably a further damning Boris compilation showing him mocking and ridiculing Starmer about imposition of any further restrictions.
people knew Christmas shouldn’t happen
Yet its estimated 44% still went ahead with their plans to have the family round. Virtually everyone I know had family round.
We didn't.
On the bright side, cases have dropped significantly over the last week or two. 20K yesterday. The xmas mixing surge passing and lockdown lite having an effect. Admissions starting to drop too. 20K seemed like a disaster in Novemeber, now its hopeful progress.
By the end of March I could see most of the 9 priority groups vaccinated (I'm group 9, 50+), so about 30 million people, frankly itching to get back to "normal".
The biggest risk to the remaining population as they crawl out from under the bus is then long covid.
Yet its estimated 44% still went ahead with their plans to have the family round. Virtually everyone I know had family round.
We didn’t.
Tbf most people I know had a much smaller and quieter xmas, I'm surprised it was as high as 44%
Can't think where they might have got that bright idea to go ahead with it though
As the majority of deaths are in the 70+ bracket, and by mid Feb they will all* be vaccinated, deaths will drop very quickly this time compared to the last wave.
that would be nice, but
UK deaths likely to come down slowly, Whitty warns
I guess even if the 70+ vaccinated crowd are dying less, there will still be high occupancy in NHS for younger groups on ventilators.
If we 'open up' again the cases could go high in non-vaccinated groups.. 1000% infections in (still susceptible) groups that have 10% of the hospitalisation rate still means the same overall levels of hospitalisation.
and this is what we are up against in this country; a media that lionises ****tery, the anger stoking algorithms of twitter and facebook, the whole fake news thing.
BJ looks like utter cr@p these days. Hope he’s ok.
He has the blood of tens of thousands of people on his hands. I cannot feel any sympathy for the lying philandering charlatan.
sorry wrong thread but that comment made me very angry
I've got no sympathy for him - he's a lying chancer who is unfit for the job.
So many mistakes from the early days which were repeated time and time again..
Not showing up to COBRA meetings, too late into first lockdown, not closing borders, sticking by Dominic Cummings (which killed public support for restrictions) dodgy contracts to mates and people linked to the party, over-optimistic promises time and time again. Not sacking Gavin Williamson last summer, too slow with second lockdown (should have started it to coincide with half-term) total chaos over Christmas, total chaos over School closures at Christmas - then re-opening for one day.. the list is endless.
Boris Johnson should resign.
By the end of March I could see most of the 9 priority groups vaccinated (I’m group 9, 50+), so about 30 million people, frankly itching to get back to “normal”.
The biggest risk to the remaining population as they crawl out from under the bus is then long covid.
I'm not sure that's right at all
The problem is that the unvaccinated population are a huge reservoir for new strains to emerge, which Might be able to evade the vaccine
Its why scientists are very reluctant to talk about relaxing restrictions
And certainly we need proper border restrictions, because other countries with less advanced programmes will also be a problem
I fear that too much emphasis / people thinking that the vaccine is a magic bullet, and people's understanding of how it works, their behaviour and the questionable time lag for the 2nd dose means that its going to be about 50% (at best) as effective as it could have been. There are a small number (but probably enough to have an impact) that believe they have istant immunity and that they and everyone they come in to contact with can return to normal. I fear a huge some of money lost, a shortgae of vaccinations for the rest of the world and that we'll be in the same situation in a years time, with the same inept Government running the show.
The BBC have massively turned on Boris today. If he resigned who the heck would want the job.
Boris Johnson should resign.
Well, yes, but who the hell will we end up with then? All the healthy brains have been ejected from the Conservative Party.
It's clear he's looking for an 'out' though. Perhaps when the first tranche of vaccination is completed, he'll cite health reasons and **** off.
total chaos over School closures at Christmas – then re-opening for one day..
Don't forget he was insisting schools were safe the day before he closed them. He must have know he was lying.
Well, yes, but who the hell will we end up with then?
God forgive me... but Hunt.
As the majority of deaths are in the 70+ bracket, and by mid Feb they will all* be vaccinated, deaths will drop very quickly this time compared to the last wave.
I would we cautious about seeing any significant improvement in total deaths from the vaccine.
I posted a few pages back that the reductions in morbidity from the vaccine could be offset by increases in cases for the 70+, as they reintroduce themselves back into society post vaccination.
We need a National unity government, throw all of the Cabinet in the sea, kick out the rabid ERG/CRG etc.
Then put all the remaining adults in one room and let them find a working cross party cabinet (this could be a Gordian knot though)
God forgive me… but Hunt.
🤣
God does not forgive that easily.
You're probably right. Shows how low we have sunk, though. I remember how reviled he was as Health Secretary. Happier times.
Too late now but we should have had a government of national unity (like we had in ww2) and UBI,we have one of the most incompetent governments I can remember in my 60 years with the most incompetent Prime Minister,the big question is what does the future hold for all of us, from where I'm sat it doesn't look bright
They tried dam hard to create national unity and a war like spirit. Just look at the language they used both verbal and visual. Boris did is best Churchill impression and at the start it worked but everyone soon realised it was one rule for them and another for everyone else (aka Cummings and Hancocks late night drinking in parliament).
Personally for me how they spoke to the public at the start and now was awful suggesting people get through the illness with "courage" and being "strong" which automatically suggest if you don't get through it you don't have courage and are not strong.
Well, yes, but who the hell will we end up with then?
My money's on Rishi...
My money’s on Rishi…
He's even worse than Boris. It's one thing resisting taking the action required because you don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but quite another to do so because you're pretending it's unaffordable due to political ideology.
He’s even worse than Boris.
I agree.
Do we think that Boris will let all those who have booked for the summer go on holiday without quarantine on return.
Might be a decent way of working on the deficit though if they have to pay £1500 each for 10 days of sitting in a hotel.
Boris did is best Churchill impression
Boris has been doing a shit Churchill impression since he left Eton. He's finally found himself in a position where being Churchillian and working his arse off might be useful, and it's all gone south for him.
Do we think that Boris will let all those who have booked for the summer go on holiday without quarantine on return.
Nope. And what's the betting that the t&cs for cancellation/refund or insurance do not allow 'not wanting to travel because of quarantine on return'?
Honestly I hope you are right, assuming they are fine to go on holiday just because they have the privilege of getting the vaccine (i will have it early too) but like hell am I planning any trips abroad until Xmas at the earliest
Is anyone else seeing a really concerted effort by the RW press to say how well Boris has been doing ("no one works harder...") and how Britain as a major international travel hub, high population density etc was always going to have trouble controlling the virus?
There's some really strong diversionary and blame-shifting tactics being used here and every time people rebut this they're told to stop making it political or some whataboutery ("well, it's better than Corbyn would have done..." / "well you can't compare us to New Zealand...")
100,000 people dead and the front page of The Sun is a picture of Boris being sad about that.
Is anyone else seeing a really concerted effort by the RW press to say how well Boris has been doing (“no one works harder…”)
They have in general over the last year been the most anti-tory I have ever seen (apart from specifically when they were going against cameron on brexit).
They change their "views" daily, and have opinion pieces deliberately contradicting the narrative of the main stories/articles, to either stoke up some anger (and clicks) or to desperately avoid taking sides when they have no idea who the winners and losers are going to be.
On my way home from work last night I listened to R4 programme “File on 4” It followed NHS staff throughout the pandemic, and was prettt harrowing. Should be compulsory listening for any Non-believers.
Johnson at PMQs:
Johnson says he mourns every day. He shares the grief of those bereaved. He takes full responsibility, he says. There will be a time to learn the lessons and reflect on them. But that moment is not now, he says.
Not now? What an arrogant fool. He should have been doing lessons learned all through last year, instead he's still making it all up as he goes.
Good god... the "PM" responding to questions about support for home learning and vaccinations for key staff with a call for Starmer to "say schools are safe"...
And again!
No answer to questions... demands the leader of the opposition says "schools are safe"...
how Britain as a major international travel hub, high population density etc was always going to have trouble controlling the virus?
The left wing press are saying the same - though the lefties believe it should have demonstrated that firmer action was required and the right are using it as an excuse for being rubbish
Nope. And what’s the betting that the t&cs for cancellation/refund or insurance do not allow ‘not wanting to travel because of quarantine on return’?
As someone that's just left the travel sector I have seen both sides of this and things are bad - im talking cancellations / refunds up around 200%. I feel like right now if you're going on holiday you should know the risks. You may have trouble getting back, isolation on arrival and return, or even cancelled last minute flights. The travel sector has taken a beating the last year so no longer can afford to do the customer centric thing and just hand someone their money back because they don't want to isolate. Its not nice but businesses need to survive and they can't just hemorrhage money.
Don’t forget he was insisting schools were safe the day before he closed them. He must have know he was lying.
oh I've not forgotten.. my wife is a teacher.. many tears regularly shed in this house.
Boris Johnson should resign.
Ageed.
But he won't.. because the party have realised he's a disaster who cannot win another election but he's also a scapegoat for the current situation.
I think we'll be stuck with him for a few months yet.. until we're on the way out of this and it won't taint a new leader..